British attitudes towards Pakistanis and Iraqis moving to their neighborhood

More than 55% Brits disapprove of Iraqis and Pakistanis moving to their neighbourhoods. Have they become more intolerant after 9/11..

Immigration

Out with the new

Dec 9th 2004
From The Economist print edition

Why attitudes to immigration are hardening

THE British like to think of themselves as rather enlightened when it comes to immigration and race relations. Disputes over headscarves are left to the French. Ghettos, frank discrimination and the nasty notion that Britishness is a white characteristic endure only in coal-stained northern towns, which are stuck in the past in more ways than this. Everywhere else, a multicultural consensus reigns.

It’s a view that is becoming hard to sustain. A YouGov poll for The Economist this week finds that 74% of people believe too many immigrants are coming into the country. Londoners, young people and the middle classes can normally be counted on to hold more liberal views, but not, it seems, when it comes to immigration. Their sentiments are virtually identical.

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Most damaging for Britain’s enlightened self-image, the nation has risen to the top of the European xenophobes’ league. A Eurobarometer poll earlier this year found that 41% saw immigration as one of the two biggest problems faced by the nation—16 points more than in any other European country. Forget unemployment, terrorism or crime: the real threat comes from the man with the battered suitcase.

Why the hard feelings? It’s a puzzle, especially given the benefits brought by new arrivals. Immigrants may depress wages in the bus-driving and vegetable-picking industries, but they are only good news for urban middle-class folk, who benefit from cheaper (and more interesting) restaurant food and plentiful nursing. Even reproduction is easier, thanks to foreign nannies. “A generation of London kids is being raised with Warsaw-accented English,” points out Trevor Phillips, chair of the Commission for Racial Equality.

The Economist’s poll suggests an answer. The natives are not particularly restless about newcomers who come explicitly to work. Just 7% of those who reckon there are too many immigrants blame the number of employment permits handed out. Four-fifths believe the country needs more skilled workers, and two-fifths even think it needs more grunts.

The newcomers that grate are those who strain the delicate British sense of fair play: 85% cite either asylum seekers or illegal immigrants as the main reason the country is being overrun. They are thought to be bad news not because they take jobs or commit crimes, but because they compete unfairly for public services. Jumping the queue is always intolerable, whether it is for housing or at supermarket tills.

Hostility to those who do not come openly to work is not new. Even in 2000, before the asylum panic, just 12% believed that genuine refugees should be accepted unreservedly—the lowest number in Europe. But Britons are more blasé than other Europeans about the effect of immigration on national harmony. Of those who reckon there are too many, only a quarter worry about racial balance. “Britain has become a multicultural society; it just doesn’t want any more people to come in,” says John Solomos, who follows the subject at City University in London.

What seems to have happened over the past few years is that immigration has become associated with refugees and illegal entrants rather than with migrant workers. That is not surprising, given the rise in asylum claimants that began in the late 1990s. Numbers are down, but it does not matter: perceptions have shifted.

A curious side-effect of this change is that the nation’s mental image of the immigrant has taken on a different hue. “We traditionally thought of immigrants as black and brown, and for 40 years they were,” says Mr Phillips. Unlike America, where ethnic minorities and immigrants have always been viewed as two different things, Britons regarded them as one and the same. Now their attention has been drawn to paler arrivals who are often more disliked. Romanians, who are often accused of living off the state, are less popular than West Indians. Iraqis, who are not just refugees but also come from a country where our boys are dying, are more loathed than either. Pakistanis (a well-established but growing group) are disliked, too, probably because of fears of domestic terrorism and memories of riots in 2001.

The fact that immigration has less to do with race only makes it easier to dislike. Hostility used to connote racial prejudice, but no longer. That’s modern Britain: multicultural, racially liberal and anti-immigrant to the core

In the entire cut and paste, here is the only line (in context) that mentions Pakistan:

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A curious side-effect of this change is that the nation's mental image of the immigrant has taken on a different hue. “We traditionally thought of immigrants as black and brown, and for 40 years they were,” says Mr Phillips. Unlike America, where ethnic minorities and immigrants have always been viewed as two different things, Britons regarded them as one and the same. Now their attention has been drawn to paler arrivals who are often more disliked. Romanians, who are often accused of living off the state, are less popular than West Indians. Iraqis, who are not just refugees but also come from a country where our boys are dying, are more loathed than either. Pakistanis (a well-established but growing group) are disliked, too, probably because of fears of domestic terrorism and memories of riots in 2001.
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the rest of the article talks about the acceptability of illegal immigrants and assylum seekers vs. skilled immigrants. One has to be a subscriber to get the entire article, which is why I have no idea where you pulled out the 55% figure from.

Moreover why would your title single out Pakistanis and Iraqis? Why not the Romanians or the West Indians who are also mentioned?

In the article there is graph. It is premium content

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why are indians not on the graph?

i thought indians/pakistanis/bengalis were all hated equally under the umbrella of "asians"?

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why are indians not on the graph?

i thought indians/pakistanis/bengalis were all hated equally under the umbrella of "asians"?
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They call them "Pakis". Indians are hated equally....

nikhil25

Indian, Pakistani, Bengali or Sikh...in UK they are all refered to as "pakis".

A gora once told me there were three types of people in this world

1)white
2)black
3) pakis

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*Originally posted by nicols_john: *
More than 55% Brits disapprove of Iraqis and Pakistanis moving to their neighbourhoods. Have they become more intolerant after 9/11..

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Forget that yara. Can you tell me how it makes Indians happy?

That comment aside, I think Indians have done well in the Uk through education and integration.

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*Originally posted by Miss_Mohabbat: *
Indian, Pakistani, Bengali or Sikh...in UK they are all refered to as "pakis".

A gora once told me there were three types of people in this world

1)white
2)black
3) pakis
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Bingo. A couple of my Indian friends get continually annoyed by racists spray painting "Pakis go home" on their parents shop. The joke it wouldn't be so offensive to them if the paint read "Indians go home" instead :p

haha thats so funny. Ever seen those census and similar forms…please tick the box:

White
Black
Other
and then you have a separate box for Pakistanis. :jhanda:

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Bingo. A couple of my Indian friends get continually annoyed by racists spray painting "Pakis go home" on their parents shop. The joke it wouldn't be so offensive to them if the paint read "Indians go home" instead :p
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aye..yer telling me!! my sikh friends hated being called a "paki" as if its the biggest insult ever...

humhaipakistani they have separate boxes for all other races as well don't they? im sure the last form i filled in was very pc.

England exported racist ideas like nationalism in the days when it was a colonial power so to say the English is racist to people of different colour is no surprise what so ever.

Just ask the irish and scottish people how they feel about England!

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England exported racist ideas like nationalism in the days when it was a colonial power so to say the English is racist to people of different colour is no surprise what so ever.

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And you stereotyping and insulting a whole nation of people is no surprise either.

If you would read the article instead of use it as fodder for your anti-west agenda, it states Englands is a multicultural, racially liberal society.

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Forget that yara. Can you tell me how it makes Indians happy?
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well, seeing as how Indians are included on the hate-list...i doubt any Indians will be happy. i don't think the average white nationalist will be able to tell which Asian has a degree and provides great economic output, and differentiate with the Asian who will be involved in drug trafficking. even if they could, i doubt it would make a difference. these StormFront type people just hate foreigners in general, especially those with a different skin color.

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And you stereotyping and insulting a whole nation of people is no surprise either.

If you would read the article instead of use it as fodder for your anti-west agenda, it states Englands is a multicultural, racially liberal society.
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Anti west agenda your paranoid beyond help!

England a racially liberal society don't make me laugh have you actually visited the place then talk!

Is it so much more liberal there in Lahore?

If your agenda is not anti-west, than what is it? You use every opportunity to criticize the west, its culture and its people!

I have visited Britain and found a flourishing community of people of all races and religions! Let me ask you! How would you feel if a bunch of lily white, Bible-totin Goras moved into your neighborhood? Bringing with them the culture you despise!

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Is it so much more liberal there in Lahore?

If your agenda is not anti-west, than what is it? You use every opportunity to criticize the west, its culture and its people!

I have visited Britain and found a flourishing community of people of all races and religions! Let me ask you! How would you feel if a bunch of lily white, Bible-totin Goras moved into your neighborhood? Bringing with them the culture you despise!
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I am not anti west don't care what people do in the west non of my business and i don't care.

Amerikkkan, british and colonial governments is my enemy not people of the west.

As for the Britain being flourishing community of all races and religions well what i saw is not as so rosy as you describe the english people don't really like ethnic people like asian or black and really hate them in fact as i mentioned previously english people they even have animosity towards irish and scottish people yes some english people they like all races but the feeling on large scale is very anti anyone not english basically.

As for bible toting goras in my neighbourhood no problem they welcome give me chance to discuss and interact with them.

Europe is by far the most racist society in the world. Le Front National, the UDC are just two examples of political parties that base their popularity on a racist ideology and are gaining popularity exponentially.

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Amerikkkan, british and colonial governments is my enemy not people of the west.
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bro. did u saw it on channel 4 when the BBC reporter with her secret camera was filimin BNP (BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY) members addressin a group of people that get the Muslims out of this country coz some day they ll marry ur sisters daughters etc. they fear the power of ISLAM coz lot of people are embrassin ISLAM as an ideology in Britain and there was one guy who said all i want to do is shoot pakis.

Nearly 30,000 Ugandan Asians came to the UK when they were expelled by Idi Amin in the 1970s, and have proved to be some of the most enterprising and successful business leaders.

In the Midlands alone, studies indicate that they have created 30,000 jobs

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bro. did u saw it on channel 4 when the BBC reporter with her secret camera was filimin BNP (BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY) members addressin a group of people that get the Muslims out of this country coz some day they ll marry ur sisters daughters etc. they fear the power of ISLAM coz lot of people are embrassin ISLAM as an ideology in Britain and there was one guy who said all i want to do is shoot pakis.
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I did'nt see programme but i did read report about it.

I think these kind of groups is quite small but there thoughts are held by large section of England only they don't publicly come out and admit they hate non whites.

If UK government looks like they going after this group with one hand belive me they promoting it with the other this UK government is like a snake can't trust them one bit learn from history and with elections in UK around the corner this is more acting and scenarios being played out by UK government, only hope muslims can see through the nonsense and not fall in same traps all the time and see when they are being played.

rvkiz i dont doubt asians have good business and work skills this topic is more about attitudes and what the english people think of non whites in the country.