Britain's Top Judge says Shariah law should be applicable to British Muslims

Having moved to Canada from Britain around the time when Canadian judges ruled that no religious laws at all should be applied to financial and personal matters, it’s interesting to now see that in Britain the legal system is leaning towards accomodating Shariah as legally binding for Muslims who wish their personal lives to be subject to it.

It is also reassuring to see a British Lord and such a senior legal figure actively defending Shariah law as being misunderstood in the West.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2242340/Muslims-in-Britain-should-be-able-to-live-under-Sharia-law,-says-top-judge.html

Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers, the Lord Chief Justice, strongly backed Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, over his suggestion earlier this year that aspects of Sharia law should be adopted in Britain.

The archbishop’s remarks sparked a national debate and led to calls for his resignation.

Risking inflaming that controversy again, Lord Phillips has said that Muslims in Britain should be able to use Sharia to decide financial and marital disputes

The judge did add that only the criminal courts should have the power to decide when a crime has been committed and when to impose punishment.

But his suggestion that different religious groups should run their affairs according to different rules sparked warnings that community cohesion could be undermined.

In a speech at the East London Muslim Centre in east London, Lord Phillips said it was “not very radical” for Dr Williams to argue that Sharia law can be used to help govern issues like family disputes and the sale of financial products.

Lord Phillips said: “It is possible in this country for those who are entering into a contractual agreement to agree that the agreement shall be governed by law other than English law.”

Therefore, he said, he could see no reason why Sharia law should not be used to settle disputes in this country.

He said: “There is no reason why principles of Sharia law, or any other religious code, should not be the basis for mediation or other forms of alternative dispute resolution.”

He added: “It must be recognized however that any sanctions for a failure to comply with the agreed terms of the mediation would be drawn from the laws of England and Wales.”

Sharia law suffered from “widespread misunderstanding” in Britain, Lord Phillips said.

“Part of the misconception about Sharia law is the belief that Sharia is only about mandating sanctions such as flogging, stoning, the cutting off of hands or death for those fail to comply with the law,” he said.

“In some countries the courts interpret Sharia law as calling for severe physical punishment. There can be no question of such courts sitting in this country, or such sanctions being applied here.”

The judge said Dr Williams had been misunderstood when it was reported in February that he said British Muslims could be governed by Sharia law.

Lord Phillips said that the archbishop was saying only that “it was possible for individuals voluntarily to conduct their lives in accordance with Sharia principles without this being in conflict with the rights guaranteed by our law”.

There is already scope in English law for some communities to use their own religious codes to resolve disputes. Orthodox Jews can use the Beth Din rabbinical courts to decide on matters including divorce.

However some critics say that women marrying under Sharia law do not have the same rights as in English law, and could lead to them being treated as second class citizens as far as divorce settlements, custody of children and inheritance go.

Muslim and Christian politicians expressed fears that at a time of heightened tensions, encouraging Muslims to live by their own distinct rules could make it harder for different communities to integrate.

Khalid Mahmood, Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Bar and a practising Muslim, said that allowing Sharia law in parts of the UK would be divisive.

He said: "This would create a two-tier society. It is highly retrograde. It will segregate and alienate the Muslim community from the rest of British society.

"The majority of British Muslims want to live only under British law and they would reject anything that means they are treated differently.

“What Lord Phillips and the archbishop are discussing is something that is completely outside their area of understanding.”

Philip Davies, the Conservative MP for Shipley, said Lord Phillips’ suggestion was “totally unacceptable.”

He said: “It is very unhelpful for community cohesion. This is the sort of thing that builds up tensions in areas like mine, in places like Bradford. Sharia law has got no place in any shape or form in British law.”

Andrew Selous, a Tory MP and chairman of the all-party Christians in Parliament group, said calls like those made by Lord Phillips and the archbishop were “worrying.”

He said: “As far as people of all faiths are concerned, it is important that we are all equal under one United Kingdom law. It will lead to more community tensions rather than less.”

Lord Ahmed, a Labour peer and practicing Muslim, said there was a “big debate” among British Muslims about whether and how Sharia should apply in the UK.

He said: “There is a risk that this would make it harder for communities to integrate – we all need to do more to integrate, and mainstream society has to do more as well.”

“We should have one law for everyone in the UK, but there may be very rare occasions when exceptions have to be made, like for marriage, divorce and food.”

A Muslim lawyer said that raising the prospect of allowing people to live under Sharia law in Britain would “alarm” people.

Mahmud Al Rashid, spokesman from the Association of Muslim Lawyers, said: “There is massive misunderstanding about what Sharia is. It is not a single law.”

A spokesman for Dr Williams said: “We welcome the speech given by the Lord Chief Justice as a positive and constructive contribution to this important and ongoing debate.”

Cardinal Cormac Murphy O’Connor, the Archbishop of Westminster and leader of Britain’s Catholics, said that people should live under the laws of the UK.

His spokesman said: “As the Cardinal has consistently said and indeed said earlier this year, was that Britons should abide by and be subject to the law of the land.”

Downing Street said the Government’s position on the issue of Sharia law had been made clear at the time of the controversy over the Archbishop’s speech.

“We think that British law should be based on British values and determined by the British Parliament,” the Prime Minister’s spokesman said.

Baroness Warsi, the Conservative shadow minister for community cohesion, backed the judge.

She said: “The Lord Chief Justice’s speech is a very clear and unifying speech for our communities in Britain.

”I specifically endorse the points made by Lord Phillips that with equality of rights come responsibilities. It is absolutely essential that everyone in this country is treated equally by the law but it is important that everyone is equally subject to it, and that the same laws apply equally to everyone.”

:)............Yes if Brits had the option of Islamic Law in Britannia..........Lady Dianna would still be alive and Charlie's first wife.............:)

Re: Britain's Top Judge says Shariah law should be applicable to British Muslims

This has to be the worst case of discrimination against muslims. So the judge wants every other citizen enjoy common law but wants to yoke muslim citizens with the sharia?

*Get Smart............are you jealous that there is NO HUMAN CODE OF CONDUCT for HINDUS.........:(
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Re: Britain's Top Judge says Shariah law should be applicable to British Muslims

So what will they do when a Muslims couple is going through a divorce, and the wife wants British law applied, while the husband wants Shariah law? How many women will want the Shariah law applied to divorce cases?

Seems to me like it will become a "Let's see which one has the most benefits" situation.

Also, which version of Shariah will be applied? Shia one or Sunni one?

***Brits are not ignorant of Islamic Laws.........they know there is Shia and Sunni differences..

ruling over Muslims for over 100 years........must have learned something.

PLus they are used to changing family laws........remember Henry VIII,

heck he changed his religion.....created the Church of England to get around Family Laws for Catholics..........:biggthumb


Lord Phillip's words make this clear:

"It is possible in this country for those who are entering into a contractual agreement to agree that the agreement shall be governed by law other than English law."

If you want Sunni law to apply, you can choose to apply Sunni law rather than English law. If you want Shia law, you apply Shia Law.

As he describes, a contract would legally bindingly set the code of law under which a divorce would be handled. So if a woman and her husband both specify when signing the marriage that divorce should be handled according to Islamic law, she will be bound by that. She can't change her mind later - the governing law is specified as the contractual agreement is entered.

I think that you may be one of those people who Lord Phillips refers to as misunderstanding Shariah law. Give in to the Lord's wisdom :)

So there will be multiple versions of Sharia law, one for Shia, one for Sunni, one for Ahmedis and one for some other sect? All clauses will be written down in the nikah contract initially, and then if a divorce happens, those clauses will be referred to? If a clause wasn't written down, I am assuming a mufti will be consulted with. if so what kind of Mufti? A "Mod Muslim" mufti, or one with a more traditional outlook?

na Sindi, not at all. I'll give you an example of what I meant:

say X (christian) and Y (muslim) steal something in London. X under common law gets a 6 months sentence and goes home. What will Y get under sharia? 5 less fingers, right?

:)...but some smart Attorney will get him off because it was his first offence.:)

However the third time.....he will have to learn use his left hand for everything if he is not left handed.:(

Re: Britain's Top Judge says Shariah law should be applicable to British Muslims

^ there you go!

That's like asking whether under secular law (for non-criminal offenses, where trials are by judge and not jury), are you going to get a harsh conservative judge, or a liberal judge. Any law is open to the interpretation of the presiding legal expert, and you are obliged to accept his or her judgement.

Pakistan has Sharia Law too............


I have not seen anyone get their hand chopped of by the courts.......may be Pakistan should start enforcing these Sharia Laws First.....don't you think..:)



You going to see a lot of Left handed Polititians............:D

Re: Britain's Top Judge says Shariah law should be applicable to British Muslims

What about when a Woman commits adultery and husband wants her killed by stoning her to death?

Listen to the good Lord :)

Lord Phillips made it clear that punishments would only be carried out under English law, and would only be carried out where English laws were broken.

You're falling into the category of people he described as misunderstanding Shariah. What he is supporting is giving people an option to administer contracts by laws other than English laws where both parties agree to it.

How about some you plonkers read what the judge said then ask stupid questions. Or more importantly why do you feel it is ok to through mud at Muslims as usual while the Jews in UK have been doing this for YEARS.

All that he said was he sees no problem with Muslims seeking a shariah court of their choice to meditate a dispute e.g. divorce, two Muslim owned businesses have a dispute. Provided both parties accept the outcome UK law will accomondate it. if either disagrees any party free to take it back to the British legal system. Nor is any party legally obliged to take part in the meditation process.

Re: Britain's Top Judge says Shariah law should be applicable to British Muslims

I have a better idea. If muslims want to seek some legitimacy to the sharia, how about just calling whatever law they are under sharia, instead of all this tom foolery about using it for some but not others?

please ignore GET SMART, he forgot to take his daily medicine with one LOTTA of water!

Re: Britain's Top Judge says Shariah law should be applicable to British Muslims

So it seems it will be like a Civil Contract that needs to be clearly defined, signed and notarized before it can take into effect AND it cannot violate the existing Constitutional laws.
If it is above, then this is pretty much common in the western world already.

dude its better to not to have a code of conduct rather than havinh sharia.