Very recently gays/lesbians got the same marriage rights as normal married couples. I saw two men kissing each other on the newspaper front page and it made me think what the west is coming to..
My immediate thought was I dont want my children being brought up in this sort of society.. who knows how “Liberal” they might become in the next say 5 years..
What do you people feel like about bringing your children up in this sort of society? I think I might move to the middle east some time in the future…
Sex crimes are soaring, nudity is common, I remember when I was a child it was much much better,
I think there is a lot of scaremongering going on, society is evolving EVERYWHERE. Its getting more liberal, attitudes are changing and practically everybody on the planet is subjected to the same images on television.
You can if you wish, go to another country and live there and TRY and mold your children into the types of individual acceptable to YOU… however it is possible that they will eventually decide for themselves to live a life which they feel is better for them.
One thing you cant do is programme them, what would you do if they had natural tendencies to prefer same sex people, perhaps they grew up and wanted to marry a God Forbid, Black person… perhaps they’d be better in the west afterall!
Sex crimes are NOT soaring, they are being reported as opposed to NOT being reported (as in perhaps some mid east countries)
Nudity… Im going to assume that you mean low slung trousers and crop tops or short skirts rather than totally naked people walking around…(which wouldnt really be practical in this weather)
is a matter of choice, if to take alook around you’ll find members of certain groups…Muslims etc who have been instilled with a set of values when tehy are younger not dressed like this.
The point Im trying to make is that you cannot seek asylum from liberal culture in a different country because its changing and advancing and evolving. Your best bet is educating your offspring and instilling a set of values which will help them decide whats best for them later on… thats your job as a parent, life being what it is, humans are not infallible…you may or may not be there for them to lead them in the direction you wish them to go …but if you nurture their minds you have a much better chance of them going there all by themselves.
I don't know why our (desi) community is soo obsessed with gay marriage. I think the bigger problem for us is arranged unhappy marriages rather than gay marriages. Like someone else said, when they start doing arranged gay marriages, that’s when we need to freak out.
Rizwan, it all comes down to you (as parents) and only you. It is your duty and responsibility to impart the easteren/muslim values and morals to your children. I know it is difficult to say the least, I have pondered over the same issue and continue to struggle/think about the same issue (I am in US). You have probably heard this before, but it needs to be said again, Set the example ...show them how they can be good muslim kids.
Ahmadjee, he is not concerned about the homosexuals, he is talking about the influence and degrading moral values that are constantly barraged at our youth. You dont think this will have an effect on an impressionable young mind?
Kaleem Bhai, unless someone wants to bring up their children in a cave, isolated from the world, I don't think you can duck this ‘degrading morals’. Best is to take the bull by the horn and deal with it by spending more time with your family so they grow up with your values and not Simpsons.
But if that's not possible and you want to move somewhere else, where can you move? I know people who are fresh off the boat from Pakistan and from places like Dubai and Saudia and in many ways their moral condition is far worse than the ABCDs.
^ I agree. However, as a responsible citizen of whichever country you reside in, it is your duty to voice concern over the degrading moral values. Afterall, if we dont stop/curtail this filth now, it will effect our future generations.
The influence is unavoidable. So, definitely there is greater chance of learning the wrong ideas when one is openly influenced to those as compared to the environment where there is less exposure.
I still remember how I fell head over heals for a damn good looking guy only to find out through some friends that he didnt like girls. Oh yeah, he lived in Britain. He was so good looking that any girl.... ANY GIRL would fall for him without thinking for a second.
From what I know you were born and raised in the West. From you perspective, what are the things that you parents did that worked for you?
Did they spend a lot of time with you?
Did they make you watch cartoons and bollywood all the time (and I mean all the time)?
Did they make you attend lectures at local masjid?
How did you cope with the western highschool culture?
I think you should be the one educating us..I don't see what worked for you wouldn't work for your kids.
Parents who raise their children in the west are more conscious/aware of these 'influences', therefore they work 'harder' as oppose to the ones living in the East.
Some work so hard that they raise blind molana freaks. I guess it all depends on you.
Our parents had it easier when it came to raising kids; they didn’t have to compete with marketing gurus of cool TV commercials, a choice of 200 different channels to make a selection for your children and didn’t have to worry about conflicting studies that come out every year about child rearing. My Dad never went to any of the games that I played in high school or in college but I never expected him too. I can’t say the same about my children. And our children will probably have a harder time raising their kids.
about 6 years ago I was handed some official government info Stats about the US and was reliably(Ehem) informed that the US had 4000 pakistanis... having joined this forum.. Im sure they are all here..
Anyway, Texas cant have that many... I dont think I saw one on Dallas
I agree with lazy, AJ and others ..but at the same time I would say ..one shouldnt discount the environmental factors..they do have an influence..regardless of how much effort the parents put in...a highly charged atmosphere which pushes people towards self gratification. While countries like Pakistan are becoming more liberal ..and often not in a nice way either..they don't have that atmosphere everywhere.
Didn’t you read the thread about desis threatening each other on the Houston airwaves? They have 3-4 Pakistani ‘associations’ there. So, yes they have found home in Texas – a third world country.
