Bringing ghost out of the closet - again !

OK might sound stupid but how many of you (married) guys/girls use past issues for scoring points (or whatever) in new arguments with the spouse? Do you keep on reminding your spouse about the buried issues? To understand this

Once my sister did a fatal crime of giving out cheap gift to my wife’s sister when she passed the medical college exam (7 years ago) in Pakistan. My wife was of the opinion that my sister should have not given and that would have been perfectly OK instead of that cheap pen-set. I shared my wife’s view that my sister should have done better (which she otherwise do - I am not sure what happened then). So I agreed with the view that she could have done better and I thought that we have buried the ghost but NO. This ghost comes alive to haunt me in arguments as recent as last weekend.

Just to clear my wife’s position, she also give due praise to my sis where-ever its due so she does not really have an “on going” issue with my sis and normally they both go along pretty well for nund-bhabi living in same city.

So, taking above as an example, how many of you intentionally or unintentionally do this? When you know that your spouse will feel uneasy, do you still bring past issue alive in new arguments?

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I usually dont do it anymore, esp not something that long ago. On the other hand, someone i know is known to rehash stuff as old as from 30 years before, mostly because the parties involved did not apologize for their bad behaviour(s). I would imagine this is the main reason people bring up old arguments, because they werent resolved in the first place, or left a deep impact on them.

My to be husband does that but in a positive way. He reminds me how he handled similar situation in a positive way and that i should do the same.

Sometime it's done intentionally to hurt the other person. Other times, it is not done out of spite, but rather because the person hasn't exactly moved on from the mistake and became overwhelmed with angry feelings.....and dredged up past mistakes.

I would suggest that you talk to wife DC. Don't tell yourself that you will discuss this issue with your wife the next time she has an angry outburst and mentions your sister's pen set. It won't work, in my opinion. Because when people are angry, they tend to be defensive, and even if what you're saying makes sense, they may not want to acknowledge it. So, talk about this when she's calm.

*******First,* tell her that you want to discuss something and that you want her to hear what you have to say and to LET YOU FINISH talking. Just tell her this issue has been bothering me for quite some time. Even though the other party is MY OWN SISTER, I still supported you because I agreed with you. Fine, she made a mistake. Some people are not that great at giving gifts. We can't be good at everything. Who knows? Maybe her intentions for giving the gift were good. Pens are considered to be keepsakes that represent the beginning of a new chapter in life. Maybe that was her intention. But every time we have an argument, you KEEP bringing up her mistake of the pen. If you had COMPLETELY forgiven her and if you had FULLY MOVED ON, you wouldn't feel the need to bring up the past. I'm glad that you and my sister get along well for the most part and I feel that dredging up past mistakes goes against the Islamic spirit of forgiveness. Giving gifts is encouraged in Islam, there's no specific rule on what exactly that gift should be and how much it should cost. Gifts are given to develop love and affection. But bringing up past mistakes, when we ourselves make mistakes as well, hurts the spirit of relationships. We all make mistakes. I don't think you'd feel comfortable if I took some mistake made by your parents/siblings and kept throwing it in your face during every argument. When we are arguing, let's only discuss the issue related to the current argument instead of the past. And the next time the pen set is brought up (although I agree with you that it wasn't the best gift choice)......I'm simply going to walk away instead of encourage grudges and gossip.

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*********In the future, during an argument, if your wife **EVER brings up your sister and pen set...........simply tell her that you will** only discuss CURRENT issues....and then **WALK AWAY from her. Every time she mentions your sister's gift......just WALK AWAY. One of the reasons why she keeps mentioning the gift is because YOU are ALWAYS standing there to listen to her complain about your sister. If you simply leave....she'll understand that you're not going to support her in her petty complaints. Once she sees there is no support, she'll stop.

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brother's sali is never any nand's priority. i hope you or your wife also dont care much about devars (BILz) of your sister. i wonder what makes your sister even by anything for your sali?

I think that is not the point here ... beside that my sister is so sweet :)

Not usually. If I do, it's going to be something relevant for a point that I'm trying to make. I'll never use it just as a taunt.

do you spend the same amount of time thinking for a gift for your sister, as you spend for your wife?

so this is what i meant by priority.

ps. i think you wish that your sister wouldn't had shown that sweetness , and should had just give the money instead of giving anything to your SIL. then you wont have to go through all this.

ps2. your avatar is very girlish

Hello DC!

RV has given best piece of advice...Next time Ur wife brings up the pen issue Just Walk away. And tell her clearly tht yeah it was my Sis mistake but u have to get Over it now. & yrs is not a short time.
I hate it when people bring back old stuff into new one. One must have big enough heart to leave old things behind.

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I agree with RV's comment.

However I do believe that both husband and wife should not bring old stuff in new argument. It can really become a torture and will only create negative feelings.

You have showed sabar to her comments on your sis and not many husbands can do that !

Agree. Don't bring up her or her family's past mistakes either. Keep it fair.

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:hehe:…I just love this thread!

:frowning:

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D6C…

Acha, next time she does this you can do one of two things:

Fight fire with fire and throw something in her face that really hurt you 50 years ago.

Walk away and refuse to fight unless she fights fair.

Ek to larkon ko properly larai karni bhi nahin aati…:smack:

it all depends on the intensity of the past issues and the effects of it in our lives…

in your scenario.. i wouldnt care less whether they give eachother a pen or a jhaaroo… they got to sort it out with each other by themselves…

waisay i think its important to bring out the past issues (which happened between u two only) until one of u realize and apologize for his/her mistake… and then u can bring it out few more times just to see *****his embarrassed long face :hehe:

*or hers :snooty:

I am sure your wife is amazing but she is being rather insensitive regarding this…first of all your sister didn’t even have to give her anything. I mean after all it’s your wife’s sister we’re talking about, not your wife. Second of all, so what if she gave her a ‘pen set’. A gift is a gift! And I am sure she didn’t do it intentionally coz first of all she was giving a gift to a relatively distant relative as opposed to a close one.

I would never complain about a gift someone has given me no matter how ‘cheap’ it is. A gift is a gift and to bring it up after so many years… :nono:

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[note] Please stick to the topic and no personal attacks :nono: [/note]

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I think this was uncalled for on sooo many levels.

Firstly, your wife has no right to bring up what your sister did (or didn't do) to score points during your personal arguments. She is married to you and not your sister and it's ridiculous to drag her between your personal matters.

For argument's sake let's suppose it's justified to drag a third person into your personal matters: Your sister had NO obligation to get something for your Sali to begin with, so I don't see why it's an issue

For further argument's sake suppose,the gift was crazy offensive. It was very classless of your Sali to whine about it to your wife!!!!! I honestly don't quite understand what she planned on achieving through her immature whining? Was she trying to arrange a break up between you two?

Additionally, suppose your Sali was having a mental breakdown when she whined to your wife about your sister. EVEN then, your wife has no right to continue bringing it up after all these years. It's completely uncalled for.

See I've pretty much given you a decision tree and no amount of if -but scenarios justify your wife's insistence on bringing up the "issue". I think you need to seriously sit down with your wife and have a talk:)

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I agree bringing up past differences in a current argument is wrong and uncalled for...you should definitely talk to your wife about this

However when people are angry and sometimes not winning an argument they have a tendency to bring back old points that will help them....I'm pretty sure she doesn't hold a grudge....she probably doesn't even notice she does it.....its most likely used just to make her current argument stronger.....I doubt it has anything to do with your sister

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Try telling her in a calm and nice fashion that you don't like her bringing up that thing about your sister because it hurts you when people say bad things about her. Tell her it would be the same with her (your wife) if you kept bringing up negative things about her family. She wouldn't appreciate that either. Hopefully she will be more receptive towards that.