Breastfeeding in Public

This article in today’s NYTimes caught my eye. Even in this day in age, women have to fight for their right to breastfeed her child. Gimme a break. What’s wrong with these people? In many ways, some countries of the sub-saharan Africa are more advanced than these advanced nations. Women should not need anyone’s permission to breastfeed her child. She should be able to do it wherever and whenever.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/07/nyregion/07nurse.html?
‘Lactivists’ Taking Their Cause, and Their Babies, to the Streets

By AMY HARMON

Published: June 7, 2005

The calls for a “nurse-in” began on the Internet mere moments after Barbara Walters uttered a negative remark about public breast-feeding on her ABC talk show, “The View.”

The protest, inspired by similar events organized by a growing group of unlikely activists nationwide in the last year, brought about 200 women to ABC’s headquarters yesterday. They stood nursing their babies in the unmistakably public venue of Columbus Avenue and West 67th Street. They held signs reading, “Shame on View,” and “Babies are born to be breastfed.” Ms. Walters, who remarked a few weeks ago on the show that the sight of a woman breast-feeding on an airplane next to her had made her uncomfortable, said through a spokesman that “it was a particular circumstance and we are surprised that it warrants a protest.”

But the rally at ABC is only the most visible example of a recent wave of “lactivism.” Prodded by mothers who say they are tired of being asked to adjourn to the bathroom while nursing in a public space, six states have recently passed laws giving a woman the right to breast-feed wherever she “is otherwise authorized to be.”

An Ohio bill saying a woman is “entitled to breast-feed her baby in any place of public accommodation” passed last month over the objection of one representative who wanted to exempt businesses from liability for accidents caused by “spillage.”

"I really don’t know any women who ‘spill,’ " said Lisa Wilson, the mother of a 4-month-old in Fairview Park, Ohio, who helped organize a nurse-in at a local deli to support the bill.

Representative Carolyn B. Maloney, Democrat of New York, held a nurse-in on the Capitol’s Cannon Terrace last month as she reintroduced federal legislation to amend the Civil Rights Act to protect women from employment discrimination for using a breast pump or feeding their babies during breaks.
Nursing mothers are pressuring businesses, too. Burger King has declared that mothers are welcome to nurse. Starbucks - the target of a letter-writing campaign that asked “What’s more natural than coffee and milk?” - has, too.
The moves come as the number of American mothers who choose to breast-feed has climbed to about 70 percent in 2003, the last year for which information was available, from about 50 percent in 1990. Many otherwise apolitical women say they found themselves unexpectedly transformed into lactivists after fielding a nasty comment or being asked to stop nursing in public.

“We’re all told that breast-feeding is the best, healthiest thing you can do for your child,” said Lorig Charkoudian, 32, who started the Web site www.nurseatstarbucks.com after being asked to use the bathroom to nurse at her local Starbucks. “And then we’re made to feel ashamed to do it without being locked in our homes.”

But Ms. Walters is not the only one who might prefer not to be confronted with breast-feeding at close quarters. Legislators, business owners and family members are debating how to reconcile the health benefits of nursing with the prevailing cultural squeamishness toward nursing in public.

In interviews and Internet discussions, hundreds of women recount being asked to stop nursing in public spots, including the Children’s Museum in Huntsville, Ala.; a knitting store in the East Village; a Radisson Hotel lobby in Virginia; a public bus in Los Angeles; and a city commission meeting in Miami Beach.

“It’s nothing against breast-feeding, it’s about exposing yourself for people who don’t want to see it,” said Scotty Stroup, the owner of a restaurant in Round Rock, Tex., where a nursing mother was refused service last fall.
But the new generation of lactivists compare discomfort with seeing breast-feeding in public to discomfort with seeing interracial couples or gays holding hands.

“It’s like any other prejudice. They have to get used to it,” said Rebecca Odes, co-founder of “The New Mom” blog, who attended the ABC protest. “People don’t want to see it because they feel uncomfortable with it, and they feel uncomfortable with it because they don’t see it.”

Whether to breast-feed in public, many nursing mothers say, is not simply a matter of being respectful of another person’s sensibilities. They cite research by the Food and Drug Administration showing that the degree of embarrassment a mother feels about breast-feeding plays a bigger role in determining whether she is likely to do so than household income, length of maternity leave or employment status.

The American Academy of Pediatrics urges women to feed their babies only breast milk for the first six months, and continue breast-feeding for at least an additional six months. If its recommendations were followed, the group estimates that Americans would save $3.6 billion in annual health care costs because breast-fed babies tend to require less medical care. But while more women are breast-feeding for the first few weeks, fewer than one-third are still nursing after six months. Some doctors attribute the decline to self-consciousness and the difficulties of finding spaces where nursing seems acceptable.

“To many mothers, breast-feeding runs up against sexual attitudes toward the breast,” said Dr. Lawrence Gartner, who leads the academy’s research on breast-feeding. “That reduces the prevalence of breast-feeding, which is a bad situation because duration of breast-feeding is an important factor in children’s health.”
Even mothers who are committed to nursing say they are shaken when confronted with the hostility or consternation of strangers observing them.

“People make you feel like you’re doing something dirty, almost,” said Rene Harrell, 26, of Chantilly, Va., who said she was recently asked to leave a Delta airport lounge in Atlanta as she nursed her 8-month-old son, Elijah.
Once on the plane awaiting takeoff, she said, a man across the aisle complained loudly about her into his cellphone as she continued to nurse.
The scene, said Ms. Harrell, reminded her of the one Ms. Walters described, which she read about on an Internet discussion board.

“It’s just, where would you like me to go so I don’t bother you by being here?” Ms. Harrell said. “He was not on solids. It’s not like I could have given him something to tide him over. He needed to eat.”
Marilyn Yalom, the author of “History of the Breast,” says Americans’ views of the breast has changed over time, and could change again. More than in other countries, she said, the breast is seen here as a sexual object.

“We live in a very mechanistic society and almost anything that doesn’t come out of a package is somehow suspect,” Ms. Yalom said. “So milk that comes out of a real human breast, we’re not very comfortable with, it brings us too close to our animal nature.”

The nurse-in at ABC was perhaps the largest of the dozen or so held around the country over the last year.

“I have the right to breast-feed my child without getting nasty looks,” said Patricia Lechuga, 32, who said she watches “The View” every morning while breast-feeding her 10-month-old daughter before her nap. “So many people watch the show, I was just so disappointed in them.”

On the Upper West Side, it was hard to find anyone to disagree with her.

“Are there people who are against breast-feeding?” asked Rich Flisher, 39, a neighborhood resident passing by the nurse-in. “I do prefer it if you’re discreet, but hey, I’m behind you. Go go go.”

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So, like, it's okay to dry hump ur bf on the street/subway/school, wear lowcut tops that show off everything BUT the nipples, but it's obscene and dirty to feed ur child? Kinda shows how fked up American society is as well. Khair, they're both messed up (american n paki)

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I have a habit of perving on women when they are breastfeedinig

Dunno why ?? :(

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Hm...I have to say that I haven't seen many people breastfeeding in public...

there are actual laws that prohibit moms from doing so?

I agree with one mom's reasoning above - the babies are not on solid food yet, so what else can she feed them? It must get really awkward like on a plane or something.

I like how the ladies actually do it in our culture. I've seen the moms doing in front of family men at least - they just cover up their chest area with a huge dupatta, and no one sees anything, and the mom sits wherever she wants.

Its definitely nothing to be ashamed about. Although I can understand people feeling squeemish - mainly because here the "breast" serves such a sexual function in society - and media backs up that image.

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Well the pervs can get their kicks other ways, but the woman whose baby is crying his/her head off has nothing else on her mind other than to shove the tity in baby’s loud mouth.

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:rotfl:

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hehehe

i still find breastfeeding disgusting.

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^ still?

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how old are you?:eek:

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alrite you grammar guru you Danda with pins

Replace still with regardless.

Lantis If Meera is 25 then I wanna be 16

gigglez

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Dude u look like a 16 year old already so shush!

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Its very surprising that ladies find breast-feeding weird. I guess its not limited to Ms. Walters.

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I was to be born a male but then they ran out of material :(

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^ Yeah I ended up with a little extra :snooty:

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'Little' just wouldnt do for me.
I asked for extras. God wasnt happy.
Now I live a trapped inside a woman's body.

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Just today I was flipping through my marketing management textbook and saw a woman breastfeeding her infant. It was a nasty sight. :yukh:

I think it should be done behind close doors, as it makes people like myself sick. Oh and really really pregnant women should also dress up decently and not go wearing skimpy clothes. That I also find nasty. :yukh:

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I find low riders with g-string on display nasty. But who is listening.

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^ I thought you were a guy in a woman's body.

I know it sounds weird. I do also look away out of politeness when a woman is breastfeeding (again, not that I've seen it much).

But then, that should be the societal approach. If you don't like it, avert your face. No one is forcing you to look...

Urgh. Breasts. They are sexual objects, yet they are so much more. I guess it just depends on the use.

Interesting though. I wish that South Beach topless thread was still up. I'd like to find out who the hypocrites are that found it okay for women to walk around topless on a beach, but then find public breastfeeding disgusting...

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PCG,

You’ve got my attention, please enlist few… besides being provocative.

Appreciated!

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Well

breastfeeding is the obvious one
sucking - by adults
caressing - by adults
squeezing - by adults
viewing - by adults

should I keep going, or was that graphic enough for you, o perv?