Breaking News....Shoaib Malik Gets Pakistan Captaincy according to "The Nation"'

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Saleem are you therefore trying to suggest that our best choice for captain is Mohammad Yusuf...hes our best performing batsmen blah blah...Or maybe even Shoaib Akhtar...

There is more to a captain that being able to perform as an individual...whilst im not discounting the fact that performances command respect not everyone is cut out for captaincy...

Take your workplace for instance...at mine there are plenty of people who can perform and do well and no doubt that will be a factor in terms of whether they get promoted or not but for someone to be a manager they have to be able to display an ability to not only perform as an individual but to be able to manage his employee...motivate them and get the best out of them...

When have you ever seen a good passive manager...a good manager is someone who commands respect not only from his achievements but also from his attitude and his ability to manage...

The best salesmen at my workplace would make a terrible manager...good performer but no leadership skills...stats are not everything...

Jayawardene is a good captain aswell as a good batsmen...
Lara is a *e captain but a good batsmen...
Ponting is a good cxaptain aswell as a good batsmen...
Vaughan is a *e batsmen but a good captain...
Fleming is a decent batsmen but a good captain...
Dravid is a decent captain and a good batsmen...
Smith is a good batsmen and a good captain...

If you notice all the team who will likely make it to the final four have good captains...

Pakistan, West Indies and India had good batsmen but shoddy captains and look where they are...

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PCB has made an excellent choice in Shoaib Malik and Mohd. Asif. Mohad Asif is the smartest bowler around and clearly has the analytical skills that will groom him into a fine Captain over time. Malik has captained his teams very well in the domestic arena, and stands out among all of pakistan players, who really gives the game a fighting effort no matter how bad the things are. He has proven himself in any position you send him, which speaks volume for his ability to apply himself to varying circumstances and not be set in his ways. The most improved player in the past 6 years. He deserves it, and it's also our best opportunity to knock down this mentality of give Captaincy to your 'best batsman' or your 'most senior player'. This gives all the non captain players in the team a sense of entitlement, and an inclination to think of it as an insult if they play under someone else. Cricket is a team game, not a showcase for individual brilliance. I am not going to break my thoughts into separate paragraphs because I am pissed at Saleem's long worded repiti9tion of the same thing over and over again.

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^ Is it "officially" out now that Malik is Captain and Asif is VC?
I don't see any more official press releases other than the speculative pieces GA posted?

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Ok jang is now saying that this is probably the decision as well…
Malik - C
Asif - VC

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Kaneria say he can be captain too…:hehe:

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^ :rotfl:

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Naughty_by_Nature and Sir_Dig_A_Lot:

Seems that you both are missing my point and commenting on what you are assuming my post contains, regardless of what my post contain. It is funny :D

I did not write that best player should become Captain. I wrote that Captain should deserve to be in team on merit.

It is funny that I am writing Lemon and you are reading Lime. :)

You both have completely ignored what I wrote and started commenting throughout your post on what you both assumed I wrote.

In simple words and few sentences, I wrote that:

*A player should be made Captain only if that player can justify a permanent place in the team on merit. *

*I do not think that Shoaib Malik justify a permanent place in Pakistan test team on merit. *

*Shoaib Malik is not a world class batsman neither a world class bowler, nor a world class all rounder. Only world class player can justify a permanent place in a world class test team. *

Shoaib Malik is mediocre world class player and those who are mediocre world class player could come in and go out of teams, but could not justify a permanent place in any world class team.

From level of player quality, Shoaib Malik could justify a permanent place in Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Kenya, or Ireland teams and could be made Captain of those team, but not Pakistan team.

I hope that you got it now.

Why Shoaib Malik cannot justify a permanent placein world class test team on merit, I explained that in my past posts with details, but that was difficult for you to grasp. So, forget it and let it go.:)

Congratulation and best of luck to Shoaib Malik and Shafarish that backs him. This is Pakistan, where people believe what they like to believe, Jack speaks lauder then facts, and Shafarish work better than merit and hard work.

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If you guys are opposed to Malik than why don't you genius tell us who should be the captain. Given the situation Pakistan is in and after Younis refusing to accept captaincy who else could lead?

Here are the players help yourself.

Yousuf?
Razzaq?
Afridi?
Shoaib Akhtar?
Kaneria?
Farhat?
Hafeez?
Gul?
Sami?
Asif?

If you can't pick from the list based on talent, placement in team, cricketing knowledge, cleaver, merit than you better not oppose. :)

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I have already given name of crickets that deserve to be in team on permanent basis because of their performance. Rest do not deserve to be in team on permanent basis, and can come in and go out of team depending on requirements, situations, and their last few performances.

I believe that any of those players that can make into team on permanent basis due to their performance, can be made Captain, depending on the judgement of cricket management and leader’s capability in the player concerned.

When it comes to country, I have no favourite neither I would like to be bias on basis of personal like/dislike (If that was the case, I wont mind Shoaib Malik as I do not have any favourite in Pakistan team). I believe that in Pakistan, a person should be where they are on capability then Safarish (or illegal means). That is best for the country (even if it may not be best for me or my liking).

My only objection on Shoaib Malik Captaincy is that, I do not believe that his performance is good enough that he deserves to be in test team on permanent basis.

I would prefer a batsman or slow bowler over fast bowler, because fast bowler could get injured and that mean, team more then occasionally playing without their regular Captain.

I would prefer that Pakistan have different test and ODI team, with different Captain leading them. If Pakistan decides to have different team for test and ODI, then Shoaib Malik might scrap through in ODI team on permanent basis. Even that is debatable.

Criteria for a world class player are same for test or ODI. Though some good test players are bad ODI players and some good ODI players are bad test players. That shows that overall they are not good players, as their temperament is not suitable for all occasions. A good player should be able to adjust himself for all occasions.

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Malik isent that bad a test player actually. We have to remember he keeps being switched up and down the order...sometimes they want him to open, sometimes they send him at 3, then at 5, and now at 6. But unlike the 'Whining Pathan' Afridi...Malik has never complained and gets his head down and gets on with the job. Fine, he may not be as talented a batter as say....Yousef or Inzamam, but he still has an excellent temperament and he's a fighter so if he gets the Captaincy, then I certainly would back him - because he's a team man and a fighter and he doesent moan, cry or whine to the press or to his lobby...he just bats wherever the team needs him. Btw, his bowling has suffered since Inzamam took over because Inzy rarely bowls him - Wasim used to bowl him a lot more and so did Waqar. I'm sure Malik will improve his bowling as well and he will be an asset at number 5 or 6 in test matches as well. I think he should be batting number 3 in ODIs and 6 in test matches - although as a captain he may wish to come in a little higher in the tests as well.

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Can you prove your allegation here or is it just a wild assumption?

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Allegation based on wild assumption. I could be wrong :D

[But then, there are number of reports that claim that Shoaib Malik is treated as blue eye boy in Pakistan cricket.

His selection as Captain when he does not even deserve to be in test team on permanent basis proves that].

**Anyhow: **If I have to select a Captain, this is how I would go regarding any particular player:

Is performance of this player good enough for him to be in team on permanent basis (has he got Test batting average of over 40 runs per inning or Test bowling average of under 25 runs per wicket)?

Note: If a team does not have player of that quality, lower the standard, but that only means there is big problem in team and the team is B class amongst world test team. Select anyone on temporary basis that have best figures, and wait for right candidate to appear in future. Hopefully one would]

No, that player is out (unless there is none, as mentioned in above note). Yes?

Has he got enough experience playing in test team (That means he has 2000 test runs or 100 test wickets)?

No, that player goes into reserve for future consideration. Yes?

Has he got leadership capability?

No, that player is out (unless none reached this level). Yes?

Is he mature enough (Is he old enough, that in cricket means over 22 years age - could be lower)?

No, that player goes into reserve for future consideration, unless there is no alternative. Yes?

How many got to this level?

Select one of them on basis that he is Youngest (so that he can serve as captain longest).

[Thus: No bias, no blue boy, no safarish, no hanky panky, simple procedure.

Only human selection comes where leadership capability is to be determined. I believe that Cricket management can device test for this and let professional from outside organisations to decide if a player has that leadership capability, or not].

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Saleem, can you please post more paragraphs to explain your viewpoint? It would totally make my day :o .

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While I agree with Sa1eem that a captain should have his place in the team first, I disagree that averages tell the whole story; or that anyone should have a **permanent **position in the team. Place in the team should be based on performance and fitness and if someone is not performing they should not take their position in the team forgranted. Most importantly, unlike many sports (hockey, soccer etc), in cricket, the role of captain is critical and is not ceremonial. The captain has to make many key decisions in the field all the time, and for that he needs a thinking mind and should be smarter than just a batsman or a bowler with good averages.

Having said that I think Malik is a fine player, an automatic selection in the team right now and a good choice for captain. By throwing a game as Sialkot captain, he has shown that he actually is aware of points table and strategies of the game, which already gives him a headstart over his predecessor(!) :-D (Ok, I am just kiddin').

Malik's biggest challenge will be to break the group-baazi in the team. He will have several senior players (who'd be sulking right now) in the team. If PCB doesn't play it smartly, we may end up in a similar position as we had with Miandad as captain in early 80's. With player rebellion and all that. Hope he does well and brings a freshness in the approach of our team in years to come.

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the game: Brother, enough is enough :smiley:

Who cares about what happen to Pakistan cricket. I know that my post must have hurt many Pakistani’s feelings. Sachi batayen aksaar karvi hotie hain :hoonh:.

You enjoy your day (Here I have three paragraphs for you :clown:).

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gr8 choice, a guy who deserve a chance :k:

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Well, if a person is not fit, that person should not play anyhow. If that person is not performing, where would it show, if not on his averages (or his averages of recent performance)?

As I wrote earlier that if a person has bad patch, still that person should have reasonable performance to be in the team and over all good performance.

As for permanent place: I believe that world class players do have permanent place in the team they represent, because they perform regularly.

Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist, Hussey, Clarke, Bracken, McGrath, Kallis, Smith, Ntini, Pollock, Sangakkara, Jayawardene, Jayasuriya, Dravid, Tendulkar, Pietersen, Flintoff, Collingwood, Fleming, Bond, Murli, Vass, Malinga, Chanderpaul, Lara, Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan, Inzammam .. Well, there are many players in the world that deserve to be in their team on permanent basis due to their performance.

If they want to play, they play, else they retire. Normally no team management would drop them on performance, as their overall performance is good enough for them to keep their place in the team. If they stop performing, normally they retire themselves or are made to retire. Normally, they are not dropped if they are available.

I believe that most world class teams have players that deserve to be there in the team on permanent basis, due to their regular performance, that shows in the averages of players. **It is these players that make a team, world class team. It is not team that make these players world class. **Name of some players I have just mentioned above. I hope that you would agree to that.

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I completely disagree with the whole concept of permanent players. Past laurels can only carry you so far. If a player does not perform in the present, his past can not and should not save him from the boot. Kick him out and let him come to back to form in domestic cricket or something. National cricket team should not pay the price bcz a player is not motivated to find form. Australia routinely kicks out (a.k.a. dropped from the team) otherwise cricket greats e.g. Mark Waugh etc. One of the biggest problems with Indian and Pakistani teams (to name just a couple) is the tendency to give an extraordinarily long rope to some of these cricketers who then begin to resemble leechers. Tendulkar, for example, should have been dropped a while ago, so that he can rediscover his form, but no.. he is stuck with the Indian team and continues to drag them down while he is attempting to show that he is still a great batsmen, to little avail. Pakistan cricket is also rife with many similar examples. We need to move to a more merit based selection criteria where we look forward rather than continually stuck at looking at the back view mirror.

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Faisal: I totally agree with you. Previous performance should not be guarantee for future indefinite place in the team. Here is quote from one of my previous post.

That does not mean that there would be no player with such performance that they would deserve to be in the team, regardless of few bad recent performances. You cannot drop a player on one or two games. Once they have established themselves, you have to give them some games. I believe 10 innings (6 to 7 games) is enough to prove themselves. If they cannot perform, get rid of them. Still, once they are performing, 6 to 7 games are guaranteed on their previous performance, as long as recent performances are not too below par.

Phir bhie. To keep place in team for few games on past records, that past records should have some international known standard. As for Shoaib Malik is concerned, he does not even have any international known standard to justify even one guaranteed games on past records.

Shoaib Malik standard is such that he could be in team or out of team, it does not matter. He would not be in team on his past performance, but because Pakistan lacks good players. Well, or because cricket management does not want to give chance to good players (if there are any) because they might not have stronger Safarish then those incapables who are in the team.

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some bold moves by the PCB, now lets see who the coach is, because with such young leadership, the role of the coach will be more important than ever before