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Just because he is anti Zia? 
And do you have any proof that musharraf drinks? This is becoming annoying with nukkar ka bachcha passing fatwas be it iqbal was qadyani or jinnah was a pork eater blah blah.. :stupid:
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Dude he is the best friend of my friends uncle.
They took commission in army at same time, batch mates.
My friend has gained enormous benefits since mush is in power.
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So I guess this "uncle" of yours drinks as well?
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^ my friend's uncle. yes he does.
They have history of alcohol related medical conditions.
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You can comfortably call you self american now.
You can comfortably call yourself a terrorist supporter now.
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hehe no I am not.
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Tora bora is a giveaway.. 
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You should change your signature after this, don't you think. Its not too late.
I don't see you condemning religious mafia and their supporters, in your signature atleast.
Why should I, and how do I know its done by the Al-Ciayadda? Also, just because this happened does not mean we pardon past criminals and murderers...
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Musharraf likes Scotch, Matsui (wherever he is these days) and NYAhmedi can testify to that...
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Truely sad and disgusting (act of suicide bombing), may Allah swt help the families affected, punish the culprits/planners.
Lets not get into bashing business. Musharraf has his flaws, problems and what not, the fight against terrorism is not his personal issue, its a national problem and we all should join hands and raise our voices against suicide-bombings/terrorism.
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^Captain Saheb, it may be a national problem but who ask us what should be and what should not be done, we cannot even choose our own leaders. Mushy is ruling over this country as if it were his personal fiefdom and he alone should be held responsible for the current jihadi problem. What steps the military junta of Mushy has taken to control this jihadi problem that is spreading like a wild fire in NWFP? Dictators deliberately create anarchy and lawless situation that help them tighten their grip on power. Even Molana's radio is still functioning.
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Why should I, and how do I know its done by the Al-Ciayadda? Also, just because this happened does not mean we pardon past criminals and murderers...
If you chose to close your eyes,
If you chose to forget what these people did in afghanistan, when they had power,
if you chose to look away, when they openely express themselves in such a voilent manner.
Do you think they appreciate difference of opinion?
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This is sad. Sympathies to all innocent victims and their families.
Bombings have become such routine things in pakistan that one no longer feels the shock. Nor is it breaking news anymore - More like a sticky.
Sad but true
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^Captain Saheb, it may be a national problem but who ask us what should be and what should not be done, we cannot even choose our own leaders. Mushy is ruling over this country as if it were his personal fiefdom and he alone should be held responsible for the current jihadi problem. What steps the military junta of Mushy has taken to control this jihadi problem that is spreading like a wild fire in NWFP? Dictators deliberately create anarchy and lawless situation that help them tighten their grip on power. Even Molana's radio is still functioning.
Shawaiz, I understand what you are saying and I believe the same, but there is no other way around to counter terrorism other than unite against it. "Jihadism" (of this sort) has been a problem for very long, luckily it was outside Pakistan until recently (Lal Masjid) and we all supported it in one way or the other i.e peaceful Afghanistan, we want Kashmir etc. etc. Now that it has come to bite us, we are all in disarray and pointing fingers around. If we don't standup against it we wouldn't exist. Standing up against it does not mean we (the civilians) take the war/fight in our hands and start killing them, rather support government stance, increase awareness, condemn it when it happens etc.
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Case of Musharaf is similar that of Spiderman. Everybody cheered for him, when he replaced NS. Now like the second episode, they are bored. They want change, they like good guys to be turned to bad guys.
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Case of Musharaf is similar that of Spiderman. Everybody cheered for him, when he replaced NS. Now like the second episode, they are bored. They want change, they like good guys to be turned to bad guys.
I wanted to reply to this but lets not turn this thread into Mushy/anti-Mushy discussions.
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If you chose to close your eyes, If you chose to forget what these people did in afghanistan, when they had power, if you chose to look away, when they openely express themselves in such a voilent manner.
Do you think they appreciate difference of opinion?
Thats a different issue, but you are asking me to change my signature, implying that what I think of the terrorist party and the dictator (both of which are in my signature) are angels. Sorry, I do not think they are angels, and I dont think I can force myself to believe they are farishtey just because this attack occured out of the blue.
As far as I am concerned, Musharraf is the one opening new warfronts in Pakistan, and even if his Government is not staging these attacks, they have killed many civilians in their attacks, and affected families have vowed to seek revenge in the form of suicide attacks, so this is something they brought upon them, so they should deal with it now instead of generating sympathy.
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Thats a different issue, but you are asking me to change my signature, implying that what I think of the terrorist party and the dictator (both of which are in my signature) are angels. Sorry, I do not think they are angels, and I dont think I can force myself to believe they are farishtey just because this attack occured out of the blue.
As far as I am concerned, Musharraf is the one opening new warfronts in Pakistan, and even if his Government is not staging these attacks, they have killed many civilians in their attacks, and affected families have vowed to seek revenge in the form of suicide attacks, so this is something they brought upon them, so they should deal with it now instead of generating sympathy.
These people are beyond negotiation spock... They tried a peace deal and it only emboldened them. There really is no way to control these fanatics wihtout the use of force.
The threat of Suicide bombers is a ploy to scare the nation...
As they say, jo dhur gaya, woh Mhur gaya...
You back down against these people and that will only encourage other two bit mullahs in other places to start trying to enforce their brand of Islam and Shariat.
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These people are beyond negotiation spock... They tried a peace deal and it only emboldened them. There really is no way to control these fanatics wihtout the use of force. The threat of Suicide bombers is a ploy to scare the nation... As they say, jo dhur gaya, woh Mhur gaya...
And what was done by government to ensure that the peace deal was treated fairly? According to the news articles, govt was not to create check posts in the negotiated area but we did the opposite, what does that do to the deal?
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He is not forcing anybody to westernize. Its their own choice. People should be more tolerent, its as simple as that.
You are right. Unlike Zia, Musharraf (or his government) is not forcing anyone to change or follow any ideology or way of life. What he is doing is that he is trying to stop others who have made themselves self-appointed guardian of Islam to force their beliefs or way of life on others. Only those that want to change others in Pakistan by force are getting affected by Musharraf government, and peaceful citizens are becoming victim of their resistance to this change in government policy of tolerating them and letting them do their Shaitanic dance.
As for Zia, he forced way of life and ideology (his own personal beliefs, his likes and dislikes) on Pakistanis not by only patronizing but by making laws to do that. (Bhutto did same in some other respect and that is one reason many do not like him). Zia ideology enforced on Pakistan brought intolerance, force in religious matters, and wrong type of religious zombies in Pakistan.
*Some think that what Zia brought was not wrong but many think that it was wrong (and unislamic). Implementing something by force is Shaitanic ways, as force can change hands from one group of people to another. *
Example: If A drinks and B being stronger than A, forces A not to drink, than what B is doing is making A to stop drinking not for Allah but for his own satisfaction. On the other hand, B cannot guarantee that he would be stronger forever, and thus when A would become stronger, he would force B to drink with justification. It means, whoever is strong make others do what that stronger entity likes. [This use of force is nothing Islamic, but is Shaitanic deed]
[As for Islam: A Muslim convinces others to do justice, be tolerant and follow Islam even when others have all opportunities to do injustice, be intolerant (because they have power) and do not follow Islam. In this way, whatever someone follows, they follow with convictions and if they do any good, they do that for Allah alone, not for Shaitan].
NS and BB ideology was to loot and plunder, thus they just kept the trend that Zia started in Pakistan while kept themselves busy in looting and plundering. Throughout the rule of NS and BB, slow level of terrorism was going on through out Pakistan, and these retarded Zombies kept becoming stronger (probably at lower government level, there was patronage to these terrorist too).
Musharraf is just trying to change official patronage towards any particular ideology and fighting those that spread intolerance and terrorism in Pakistan. Those that are affiliated with such terrorist zombies are fighting against Musharraf policy of stopping government patronage, as they want to keep continuing their old ways of intolerance, sectarian violence, and forcing others to follow what they like.
Corrupts and those affiliated to past corrupt political parties, or some with whatever political reasons, are tying to score political points over this turmoil that is getting created because of suppressing terrorism and intolerance in Pakistan.
If Musharraf kept quite in this matter as NS and BB did, we would have seen less turmoil at present but more turmoil latter when these retarded zombies would have spread all over Pakistan and would have started taking active step to change Pakistani setup by force, making Pakistan second Afghanistan.
I believe that dormant seed of intolerance was there in Pakistan society since ages. Bhutto started making the ground soft for seed to sprout. Zia put plenty of fertilizer and gave lot of water to make the seed grow and become a small tree (of sectarianism, intolerance, spreading of ideology by force and official patronization of such tree). BB and NS let this tree keep growing unchecked and in their 11 years the tree became a huge tree (though NS in 1997 did try to check this tree by introducing anti-terrorist court).
Now Musharraf is trying to cut this tree and make Pakistan free from this tree of sectarianism, intolerance, spreading of ideology by force and official patronization of such tree).
I have written before too. This war against terrorism was started by NS in 1997 when Laghari on 18th August 1977 promulgated anti-terrorist Act and Pakistan established ‘special courts’ to deal with such terrorism. Anti-terrorist act was further modified by NS, when Tarar on 29th April 1999 promulgated another ordinance making the act more severe and changing the name of those ‘special courts’ to ‘Anti-terrorist courts’. Thus anti-terrorist act of 1977 (promulgated by NS government) was changed to Anti-terrorist ordinance 1999 (promulgated by NS government).
*This war that Musharraf inherited in Oct 1999, Musharraf continued with vigour, but later in Sept 2001 USA took UN Security council approval, made this war worldwide and joined Pakistan. *
[Now, people do propaganda that it was Pakistan that joined USA in this war, when all knows that Pakistan was first country to declare them so-called intolerant zombies as terrorists and started this war by promulgating anti-terrorist act and starting anti-terrorist courts. It was Pakistan that in 1997 arrested Amal Kasi as well as Ramzi Yusuf on charges of terrorism and gave both of them to USA].