I agree America sends big war ships and Britain sends H.M.S Woolwich ferry
This is the full story you have linked:-
Why the Israelis revealing all US nuclear secrets?
Some Islamabad-based diplomats from countries actively supporting the US-led ‘war on terror’ are not willing to confirm or refute reports that US forces now located in Central Asia and ready to jump into Afghanistan, have already been armed with “tactical nuclear weapons.”
But Debka, an Israel-based news and intelligence analysis portal, is already claiming that “US nuclear weapons have been deployed in four former Soviet Central Asian bases: the military air facility at Tuzel, 15 km (10 miles) northwest of the Uzbek capital, Tashkent; at Kagady in the Termez region; in Khandabad, near the city of Karshi; and at the military air base in Dushanbe (the capital of Tajikistan).”
Without specifying the mark, design and calibre of the said weapons, the Israeli news portal only described the supposedly deployed weapons as: “small neutron bombs, which emit strong radiation, nuclear mines, shells, and other nuclear ammunition suited to commando warfare in mountainous terrain.”
Analysts and strategists are wondering whether America was again on the verge of becoming the first country to use neutron bombs, after it acquired the infamy of dropping the first atom bomb in Japan, something it finds embarrassing to live with even today.
Debka also claimed that the decision to deploy the tactical weapons, before the US and its allied forces really move to get Osama and his Al-Qaeda, had been agreed during the 70-minute conversation, the US president had on phone with his Russian counterpart on September 23. The News had already reported Thursday that as a consequence of the said talk, Pushtu and the Dari speaking troops of Russia joined the Delta and Seal commandos of the USA in crawling up to the heights of Pamir, where the US and its allies are getting convinced Osama and his diehard loyalists are maintaining a hi-tech and state of the art command and control center.
But Debka seems to believe that the Russian role in ‘war against terror’ is not limited to sharing intelligence on Osama and his possible hideouts in Afghanistan. Lending some of its Pushtu and Dari speaking troops for reaching these sites is not the end of the story either. The “strategic partnership” between the arch-rivals of the cold war rather appears growing on multiple fronts.
As quid-pro-quo to Russia’s agreeing on the deployment of tactical weapons in areas, Moscow jealously considers its “sphere of influence,” Putin also got “no objections” from President Bush for encircling independence seeking Chechnya with ready-to-use tactical weapons. Debka even claims that parallel to the deployment of tactical weapons by the USA in Central Asian territory, Moscow had also completed putting the same kind of the lethal material around Chechnya.
They are reported to have been deployed at “Stavropol, northwest of Chechnya, the Codowta base in the Georgian south, and Mozdok in northern Osetia.” Moscow and Washington are not willing to discuss a thing with journalists, regarding their collaborative moves in ‘war against terrorism.’ Yet, Debka could claim to have it from unnamed “military sources” that the USA would not be the first to use the nuclear weapons in Afghanistan.
They are deployed for use, “only in certain extreme circumstances,” which have been described like this: (1) To counter a move by bin Laden’s men to bring out nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against the US forces fighting inside Afghanistan. (2) In case of a chemical or biological assault “by the Taliban against Pakistan.” (3) Should groups of bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda network – either in Central Asia or the Balkans – wield these weapons of mass destruction against US military targets or US nuclear arms in other parts of the world. And (4), if using them is the only way to save heavy American combat casualties.
With the condition of not named, a respected defence analyst of Pakistan agreed with the claim that the US would only use the “tactical weapons” in case of the “extreme circumstances” described above. Though, he wasn’t very sure that the US had already completed the deployment of “the nuke-related goodies” so close to Afghanistan. "Hawks around Dick Cheney (The US Vice President) are dying to nuke Afghanistan, no doubt. They ask for it for assuaging the blind ire of the US public over the suicide-hijack attacks of September 11, which the jingoistic media is fuelling every minute.
But the use of the neutron bomb at Osama-related sites in Afghanistan may only come in dismal circumstances," explained the expert. The US has a variety of air-to-surface “smart bombs,” which can eliminate the smallest concentration of the enemy troops without destroying the physical structures and buildings around.
“But the radiation wouldn’t stop after elimination of the enemy troops,” stressed the expert. In simple terms that means, the expert went on, “the US ground forces can’t land at spots where the smart bombs have been dropped. At least for many months to come. Till, you get very sure that radiation had completely stopped.”
Some other defence sources, The News talked to Sunday agreed with our expert. “After bombing the suspected hide outs of Osama and his group in Afghanistan, the US needs to quickly land its ground troops at the bombed spots. To check out whether Osama, or any of his dreaded lieutenant, is really dead. The use of nuclear bombs, how ‘smart’ they may be, would cancel out the option of physically verifying whether Osama is really dead by sifting through the dead bodies at the bombed spots,” they all believed.
To insist that the use of nuclear weapons in Afghanistan for getting Osama was not the preferable option, some experts also referred to the Sunday edition of The Observer, London. After briefed by the “sources in the intelligence community,” the paper reported: “An absolute priority (for the US and its allied troops in Afghanistan) had to be placed on his (Osama’s) delivery for trial in the US, or else production of a forensically verifiable corpse.”
Instead of widespread military strikes against the Taliban regime of Afghanistan, the Observer maintains, the US prefers to focus its act on getting Osama. “Officials in the Justice Department and intelligence services believe that the bin Laden network, still operative in cells across the globe, would implode if he were beheaded. Cut off the snake’s head and the body shrivels up,” reports the paper.
The focused moves of getting Osama, “Dead or alive” as the US president had declared like a true Texan, do not cancel out the possibility of deploying tactical weapons as part of the military build up in Central Asia, however. Though the USSR is no more for almost a decade, almost each leader of the newly liberated Central Asian states runs his country through the Stalinist methods of “total control.” The notions of transparency and free press are still too alien to these countries.
The governments of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are still not willing even to officially confirm the news stories, reported by The Washington Post and CNN, that over 1, 000 American light infantry troops had already landed in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan for the ultimate objective of crossing into Afghanistan.
No journalist should expect them to discuss reports, claiming the deployment of tactical weapons on their soil, therefore. Yet, the eyes trained to get solid hints to “real stories” by reading the fine print of the news and articles printed in the Soviet press during the cold war days, may get a sort of confirmation to reports that Osama-specific tactical weapons had been deployed in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan through analyzing a “comment.”
Talking to Russian Public TV on October 2, Rustam Jumaev, the press secretary of the Uzbek president denied “rumours” that the US Special Forces had landed in Uzbekistan. But ‘denying’ the said ‘rumors’ he also revealed: “The men mistaken for special forces were, in fact, US customs officers who were training Uzbek border troops in ways to prevent the smuggling of nuclear weapons and radioactive material.” He did not bother to tell as to when, how and from where “the US custom officers entered Uzbekistan.” The CIA-financed Radio Free Europe also made fun of the ‘denials,’ the Tajik government keeps issuing regarding the presence of the US troops on its soil.
“In the process (of denying the troop deployment stories),” said one of its commentators in the weekly report on Central Asia Sunday, “unwittingly highlighted (are) the questions whether the (military) airport in (Dushanbe), the largest in the country and host to a squadron of Russian jets, was actually under Tajik control or joint Russian-Tajik jurisdiction, as some Russian sources have indicated.”
The Radio went on: “Last week Russian military officials in Tajikistan made no bones about the fact that they were firmly in control of the republic’s security, with announcements that 1,500 Russian soldiers were being transferred from the Volga-Urals Military District to serve with the 201st Motor-Rifle Division based in Tajikistan, and that the Afghan-Tajik border was being reinforced.”
Altogether 7,000 servicemen of the 201st Division have been present in Tajikistan for many months. Coming of another 1,500 to this country almost confirms The News story of Thursday that Pushtu and Dari speaking troops of the same division had been detached to enter Afghanistan and crawl up to the Pamir mountains, for reaching the suspected hideouts of Osama.
Very interesting and disturbing. The Russians have allowed the Americans to deploy neutron bombs in the CAR’s, to be used against Afghanistan if necassary. And the Americans have allowed the Russians to continue the repression in Checnya and make similar weapons deployments near Chechnya. This shows that both the US and Russia are gearing up for a long, long war against Muslims in many fronts. And they are prepared to use all weapons at their disposal to win this war. Is this what they wanted even before Sep 11?
Summed up well
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Now this will be a defined fight against MUSLIMs. No matter our Average XXXXXX friends say.
But still some question left unanswered:
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Why did Israel reveal US nuclear sec?
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Will this affect Pakistan as well?
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What will be the reaction of NATO on this? Will there be any?
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Will U.S claim using neutron bombs?
*“na maiN momin vich masiitaaN, na maiN muusaa, na fir’aun!”
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US will use nuclear weapons if it sees loosing the war. There is no such thing as rules, rules are only for other countries.
I believe Iran MUST accelerate its nuclear weapons program if they don’t already have the bomb. The world is too unpridictable not to have one, so should Egypt…
Afg under attack and PIA int'l closed down for the time being. Kinda messed up.
*The ultimate aim of Bin Laden is not to attack or damage US. Now its clear that his aim is to over-throw the monarchies and dictatorships of middle east and return to Arabia as the ruler, and unify the whole nation *
So OBL is using USA as a pawn to unify the Middle East. And US plays right into his hands.
He want to become Quaid-e-Azam?
hmmmmmmmm.......... real moral guy that OBL attack US civilians to unite Arabia.
** Yes it is interesting that in that whole diatribe of a speech he did not mention once their main target, Osama Bin Laden. Does it mean they are not sure of capturing him? **
- Yep thats what it means. Even Rumsfield said so. *
Besides OBL becomes a martyr if killed by the west. US wants the Afgani's to do it.
** But Debka, an Israel-based news and intelligence analysis portal, is already claiming that "US nuclear weapons have been deployed in four former Soviet Central Asian bases: the military air facility at Tuzel, 15 km (10 miles) northwest of the Uzbek capital, Tashkent; at Kagady in the Termez region; in Khandabad, near the city of Karshi; and at the military air base in Dushanbe (the capital of Tajikistan)." **
Very disturbing, scary and immoral.
** Now this will be a defined fight against MUSLIMs. No matter our Average XXXXXX friends say. **
Only because OBL calls for it, he must justify his reasons religiously to gain support by Muslim countries.
Remeber his group started this by crashing the WTC. Forget what the US has done in past wars. He started this one. G-d protect us all.
Remeber his group started this by crashing the WTC. Forget what the US has done in past wars. He started this one.
Do you always accuse people in daily life aswell without proof. Rumsfield said so oh ok so it must be true then if donald rumsfield i mean american administration is well known for its truthfullness right Does anyone remember Clinton "no i did not have relations with monica lewinsky".
Forget what US has done in the Past ok i'll forget the nuclear bombings in japan the invasion of soverign nations the massacre of iraq i just put in the past and ignore it, its ok just bunch of foriegners died anyway typical racist attitude of arrogant nation like america.
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US will use nuclear weapons if it sees loosing the war. There is no such thing as rules, rules are only for other countries.
I believe Iran MUST accelerate its nuclear weapons program if they don't already have the bomb. The world is too unpridictable not to have one, so should Egypt....
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I wonder if this is a treat to all muslim countries:
US warns of possible action against other countries: UNITED NATIONS, Oct 8: The United States has warned the Security Council it could take "further actions" against other countries after strikes on Afghanistan, diplomats said today. "We may find that our self-defence may require further actions with respect to "other organizations and other states," the United States said in a letter sent to the UN Security Council. (AFP)
Abdali,
I assume this is the reason why they have created a "nuke net" around that region.
Now Average XXXXXX is this justified as well??
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Saif
** Remember his group started this by crashing the WTC. Forget what the US has done in past wars. He started this one. **
Saif, OBL has for all intents and purposes admitted responsibility for the attack on WTC and supports killing Americans all over the world. Does that not prove that he is guilty?
** Do you always accuse people in daily life as well without proof. Rumsfeld said so oh ok so it must be true then if Donald Rumsfeld i mean American administration is well known for its truthfulness right Does anyone remember Clinton “no i did not have relations with Monica lewinsky”.**
I was saying that * Rumsfeld is suggesting that they are * not * sure of * capturing * OBL.
Supreme Court has taken away Clintons license to practice law. He has 40 days to argue this decision. He did lie. Probably any man in that situation would lie. I do not support Clintons lying,but understand his doing so. What man on earth wants to get caught with his pants down in front of wife and world?
** Forget what US has done in the Past ok I’ll forget the nuclear bombings in Japan the invasion of sovereign nations the massacre of Iraq i just put in the past and ignore it, its ok just bunch of foreigners died anyway typical racist attitude of arrogant nation like America. **
Saif, I am not intending to excuse USA behavior. Perhaps OBL has noble idea to help the people of Iraq and Palestine, but killing innocent civilians is not the right was to do this, nor is it appropriate for the USA to do. Also Arafat is not supporting OBL’s statement at least publicly. http://www.wafa.pna.net/EngText/09-10-2001/page007.htm
Your statement above is basically a repetition of what OBL said in his statement on Al Jeezara. So how can you deny that OBL had anything to do with the current situation? So I stick with my original statement that OBL has begun this current crisis, and am adding that he condones it. And I feel OBL making his statement about the Atom bomb in Japan is a deliberate attempt to involve Japan in this crisis.
And now there are reports that an OBL spokesman has said that they want to overthrow governments in the peninsula and unite Arabia. So how is it just to attack innocent civilians at WTC and use Afghanistan and call these actions a HOLY JIHAD against the US?
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**Saif
** Forget what the US has done in past wars. **
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How very convinent, how about you forget what he did a month ago.
Ali,
**I wonder if this is a threat to all muslim countries:
US warns of possible action against other countries: UNITED NATIONS, Oct 8: The United States has warned the Security Council it could take “further actions” against other countries after strikes on Afghanistan, diplomats said today. "We may find that our self-defence may require further actions with respect to “other organizations and other states,” the United States said in a letter sent to the UN Security Council. (AFP)
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I think I’d rather be nieve. This whole situation is getting very ugly as I thought from the very start.
Too bad it can’t be solved with a soccer game.
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**I assume this is the reason why they have created a “nuke net” around that region.
Now Average XXXXXX is this justified as well??**
NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO NUKES!!
Perhaps its a ploy to frighten people. It surely frightens me.
Wonder what they will say in the history books once this is all over? If there is anything left…
Peace
May G-d forgive us all. Muslim, Chistian, Jew, Hindu, Atheist…ALL
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How very convinent, how about you forget what he did a month ago.**
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Forget? I doubt it buddy!
They would have done it even if palestinians had a state, or US removed troops from Saudi, or removed sanctions on Iraq. This is a fight between religious fanaticism and pluralist modernity. Time to make a choice, tick....tock....tick
How very convinent, how about you forget what he did a month ago
Abdali,
I think you know very well what I meant.
Truly Abdali,
I hate what is happening. I wish we could all hold hands and be friends. Share all of our resources,love each other,share, respect and honour the best of what we have to offer each other.
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Infoman,
How about simply maturity .....try it. Pluralist modernity paleez...pretentious clap trap.
No sorry I take that make mate...you know what I ain't gonna rise to your bait. To me you aint there any more.
People dont worry about the "nuclear net"...it's more propaganda to break the backs of any countries not supporting the US strikes. But what the US dont understand is that when it comes to the opression of faith it'll take more than a neutron bomb.
Salaam
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***How very convinent, how about you forget what he did a month ago*
Abdali,
I think you know very well what I meant.
Truly Abdali,
I hate what is happening. I wish we could all hold hands and be friends. Share all of our resources,love each other,share, respect and honour the best of what we have to offer each other.
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whatever you wish, I wish, they wish, everyone else wishes.... can it change what US government wants to do? can it stop bombing nations?
Average Americans have asked to excuse American governments past mistakes/blunders/massacres, why? why do you think a nation should forgive its killer? why do you think history should delete parts of it?
Why do you expect people to ignore history?
US, the ultra-technology country:
1. shooted Irani civilian plane... ** by mistake**
shooted a factory in Sudan, initially making claims that it was developing germ warfare... then admitting that 'they used old map'..... WOW
Now they are hunting for OBL... *suspected mastermind *. His statement of appreciating the hijackers of 911 is taken as 'proof' of his masterminding... WOW..... someone needs IQ testing redone.
It is wrong that OBL wants to kill Americans, its absolutely wrong, in fact it may be a crime... but where does Justice System go in such cases... perhaps Justice is for third world countries to follow.
Can anyone tell me, I'm still waiting to know if US or anyother country has filed any case in INTERNATIONAL COURTS OF JUSTICE for the Sept. 11 2001 disaster ??
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
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**Infoman,
How about simply maturity .....try it. Pluralist modernity paleez...pretentious clap trap.
No sorry I take that make mate...you know what I ain't gonna rise to your bait. To me you aint there any more.
People dont worry about the "nuclear net"...it's more propaganda to break the backs of any countries not supporting the US strikes. But what the US dont understand is that when it comes to the opression of faith it'll take more than a neutron bomb.
Salaam
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So stop quoting me and answering with drivel. If you don't understand what the term "pluralist modernity" means, leave egypt and you will find out.
Infoman
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pal oh matey mate,
I was born in the uk, have lived in the US, Pakistan, Cameroon, France, Denmark, Cyprus, and now am on a short time assignment in Egypt.
Any time you wanna visit your more than welcome
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You love me really! just let yourself go
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dont be afraid of your own feelings…I’m flattered really but dont play rough…
Changez-like, Anybody,
** Average Americans have asked to excuse American governments past**
- I should have said stop thinking about it for a second. Not excuse. /i]
I don’t agree with ** War** * period.* ** * Certainly I agree that there has been injustice on behalf of US.***
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Especially Economic Sanctions.*
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Could Anyone comment on the rest of the post? *
I am not intending to excuse USA behavior. Perhaps OBL has noble idea to help the people of Iraq and Palestine, but killing innocent civilians is not the right way to do this, nor is it appropriate for the USA to do. Also Arafat is not supporting OBL’s statement at least publicly. http://www.wafa.pna.net/EngText/09-10-2001/page007.htm
** So I stick with my original statement that OBL has begun this current crisis, and am adding that he condones it. And I feel OBL making his statement about the Atom bomb in Japan is a deliberate attempt to involve Japan in this crisis. **
And now there are reports that an OBL spokesman has said that they want to overthrow governments in the peninsula and unite Arabia. So how is it just and holy to attack innocent civilians at WTC and use Afghanistan and call these actions a HOLY JIHAD against the US?
I am willing to listen.
I reiterate that this is not MUSLIM verses CHRISTIAN.
And I believe all are created equal. No one Better than the Other. No Religion better than any other.
I don’t comprehend how the very same individuals who cry at the loss of innocent lives in NY, Pennsylvania and Washington, staunchly endorse this “war” against Afghanistan. If bin Laden is indeed responsible for those terrorist attacks, then why not turn over the evidence to an International court ? What difference is there between the recent terrorist attacks against the US and this indiscriminate bombing of Afghanistanis (yes, Afghanistanis, not Laden and the Taleban)… Irrespective of whatever Bush and his mouthpieces (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Powell, Blair) may state, are “smart” bombs ever truly smart (remember Iraq and Kosovo) and do “laser-guided” missiles always reach their targets (remember the al-Amiriyah shelter)? There’s no way to avoid the issue that civilian loss of life is going to occur in Afghanistan, if it hasn’t already. Why are some lives “collateral damage” and others aren’t?
For those who staunchly endorse these attacks against Afghanistan, good article to check out is Robert Fisk’s Independent piece: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=98181 and Noam Chomsky’s latest: http://www.zmag.org/chomreac.htm
Nice one Nadia.