Breaking News ... Afghanistan under attack....!

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Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl:
**Changez-like, Anybody,
Average Americans have asked to excuse American governments past

  • I should have said stop thinking about it for a second. Not excuse.* ** okay I stopped for second, but question again is howcome I should ignore someone's wrong/bad deeds when he/she is actively killing/bombing someone without following proper procedures? how is that justified?

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I don’t agree with War * period.***
Thank you. I don't agree too. But what can be acheived by that? Does that change HISTORY (the one US is making now)??

** * Certainly I agree that there has been injustice on behalf of US.***

Thanks for acknowledging that.

*** Especially Economic Sanctions.*
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but US government still does not want to hear you! US does not pay attention to these matters.

*** Could Anyone comment on the rest of the post? *

I am not intending to excuse USA behavior. Perhaps OBL has noble idea to help the people of Iraq and Palestine, but killing innocent civilians is not the right way to do this, nor is it appropriate for the USA to do. Also Arafat is not supporting OBL’s statement at least publicly.**
Wether OBL has a noble cause or not, what makes you so sure of him doing the WTC? I don't care *&%$ to what Arafat says, what does that change anyway?

** So I stick with my original statement that OBL has begun this current crisis, and am adding that he condones it. And I feel OBL making his statement about the Atom bomb in Japan is a deliberate attempt to involve Japan in this crisis. **
I can make claims that US has begun the crisis, want proof? I have same as you. For your information, when Indira Gandhi was murdered in 1983/84, many people in Pakistan were happy (they condoned it), would you say that they all were behind that attack too??? Just use simple logic and legal 'ethics'.

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And now there are reports that an OBL spokesman has said that they want to overthrow governments in the peninsula and unite Arabia. So how is it just and holy to attack innocent civilians at WTC and use Afghanistan and call these actions a HOLY JIHAD against the US?

I am willing to listen.**
This all is based on your assumption/beleif in US government's stance that OBL is the one who actually did WTC 911 attack.

OBL is good in saying that governments he indicated should be overthrown (I do not mean that he is the best man here). But what he is saying is good.

I reiterate that this is not MUSLIM verses CHRISTIAN.
fingers crossed!? keep it up, I sincerely hope it to be true too, but I have my own doubts.

And I believe all are created equal. No one Better than the Other. No Religion better than any other.
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I don't agree with 'No religion better than any other'. What did Jesus say about 'Judaism'/ followers of Moses?

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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hmm, I was afraid I was going to get lambasted by someone for my hyper anti-war rantings:) Good to know that at least I didn’t cause offence to you. Thanks:)

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** what makes you so sure of him doing the WTC? **

OBL himself says:
God has blessed a group of vanguard Muslims, the forefront of Islam, to destroy America. May God bless them and allot them a supreme place in heaven, for He is the only one capable and entitled to do so.

As to America, I say to it and its people a few words: I swear to God that America will not live in peace before peace reigns in Palestine, and before all the army of infidels depart the land of Mohammad, peace be upon him.

What makes you so sure he did not?

I don't think OBL will ever admit to it because * It incites fury and hatred in people who can go on believing that OBL himself and al Qaeda is innocent.*

And I * don't know* why they just can't get these people and take them to an International Court. And I don't know why people have to die.

And now there are reports that an OBL spokesman has said that they want to over-throw governments in the peninsula and unite Arabia. So how is it just and holy to attack innocent civilians at WTC and use Afghanistan and call these actions a HOLY JIHAD against the US?

** OBL is good in saying that governments he indicated should be overthrown **

  • Then why not try to change these governments? Or their practices? *

Again if this is his Ultimate Goal please tell me how is it just and holy to attack innocent civilians at WTC and use Afghanistan and call these actions a HOLY JIHAD against the US? How can this be believed as holy and just?

And I think the *statement about the Atom bomb in Japan is a deliberate attempt to involve Japan in this crisis. *

I think it may be an attempt to incite hatred in Japan for the US.

Is inciting hatred holy and just?

Is there ever any justice in WAR? Is there ever any justice in REVENGE?

Everything about it is UNJUST on both sides of the Globe.

I am so back to being confused, worried and heartbroken.

[This message has been edited by AvgAmericanGirl (edited October 10, 2001).]

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I don’t think any country, especially Japan would feel the same way as you are saying.

To make it clear, I’m not ‘defending’ OBL himself, but his idea of ousting foreign forces, ousting of current dictator regimes in Muslim world who are ‘allies’ (in fact puppets) of US or west. But I’m against the way he is claiming.

I ask you few questions:
Did not America say to the whole world: “You are either with us or terrorists” ???

Do you think it is a just and intellectual question?

Do you not think that it can cause a divide in the world?

Do you not think that it may have caused a worldwide fight?

Do you not think that if US keeps same ‘slogan’ and starts hitting other Muslim countries using same technique ‘fight against terrorists’ it will cause a third world war?

We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

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Originally posted by Changez_like:
** I don't think any country, especially Japan would feel the same way as you are saying.
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Japan is reconsidering its constitution (written by the US) in being pacifist and allowing its military to now strike back. Pick up a newspaper.

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Originally posted by Changez_like:
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Did not America say to the whole world: "You are either with us or terrorists" ???

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Yes.

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Originally posted by Changez_like:
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Do you think it is a just and intellectual question?

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Yes.

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Originally posted by Changez_like:
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Do you not think that it may have caused a worldwide fight?

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No.

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Originally posted by Changez_like:
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Do you not think that if US keeps same 'slogan' and starts hitting other Muslim countries using same technique 'fight against terrorists' it will cause a third world war?

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No.

Krusty

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US state department believes pakistan has nuke capability of 60-65 nukes.. incase US plans on using a nuke on afghanistan or any other muslim country.. perhaps its about time pakistan assists iran and egypt in getting their hands on one.. at the same time smuggling a few inside US.. if pakistan has'nt already done so.. if US can launch nukes using B52, B2, satellite or tomahawk.. about damn time pakistan has some sort of deterrance against US bullies.. if they can just wage war against any poor nation for their filthy interests no matter if its for oil or to encircle and restrict china's economic welfare with US run puppet countries.. US needs to stop killing and terrorizing innocents..

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Butterfingers what does that have to do with what we are talking about here? (though I am considering changing my name to HaventaClue

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

Do any of us really have a clue?

Launching NUKES???

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Launching NUKES???????
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A Nuke is classified as a "Weapon of Mass Destruction".

Chemical and Bioligical weapons are classified as a "Weapon of Mass Destruction".

If one is used, the other is justified, according to US policy.

Krusty

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Originally posted by Krusty:
** A Nuke is classified as a "Weapon of Mass Destruction".

Chemical and Bioligical weapons are classified as a "Weapon of Mass Destruction".

If one is used, the other is justified, according to US policy.

Krusty

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Are you blaiming OBL and co for anthrax prolapse?? You are a sick blind person....I think the whole world knows that these were "terror acts" of their own people, who were involved in experiements with bio/chem. weapon projects.

“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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[quote]
Originally posted by Ali_R:
** Are you blaiming OBL and co for anthrax prolapse??
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No.

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Originally posted by Ali_R:
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I think the whole world knows that these were "terror acts" of their own people, who were involved in experiements with bio/chem. weapon projects.

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Seems kind of weird to hope that is true, but I do...

Krusty

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avgamericangirl: click on ‘page 3’ of this post and look for “Why the Israelis revealing all US nuclear secrets?” full-story by malik.. if push comes to shove and US really wants a nuke-war.. it should be given what it wants..

interesting read.. by Samuel Francis, a nationally syndicated columnist

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/francis2.html

[This message has been edited by ButterFingers (edited October 13, 2001).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by ButterFingers:
** avgamericangirl: click on 'page 3' of this post and look for "Why the Israelis revealing all US nuclear secrets?" full-story by malik.. if push comes to shove and US really wants a nuke-war.. it should be given what it wants..

Don't think anyone wants that. Sorry talk of Nukes scares the heck out of me. Perhaps thats the idea?

interesting read.. by Samuel Francis, a nationally syndicated columnist
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From Article
What the Israeli lobby is demanding is nothing less than another world war – the United States, isolated except for an alliance with a limping micro-state surrounded by enemies, against what would soon turn into an alliance of every Muslim and Arabic state from Rabat to Jakarta. It would be a war that even the world's last superpower would lose, and the biggest loser of all would be the very state whose leader was sneering "appeasement" last week because his strongest and oldest ally has the good sense not to start it.

Yep lets thank Bush for having good sense not to start it.

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*“na maiN momin vich masiitaaN, na maiN muusaa, na fir’aun!”
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Now lets hope Bush has the good sense to end it.

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Thats better

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*“na maiN momin vich masiitaaN, na maiN muusaa, na fir’aun!”
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Re: Breaking News … Afghanistan under attack…!

Just saw this , Let me say it, that You US forces are still licking dust in afganistan even after 13 Years. Talibans are Kicking ur ass. Carry on guys.

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Re: Breaking News … Afghanistan under attack…!

ali , absolutely right. See after 13 years, afgans are Kicking their ass