Breaking: Judicial commission rejects PTI's claims for election rigging

[GoldenAsif]

Re: Breaking: Judicial commission rejects PTI’s claims for election rigging

@Shamraz_Khan

Not to redirect thread to different direction, but you could not be more wrong. Democracy has nothing to do with literacy rate, but it represents will of the people. You don’t need to be educated to know what/who represents your best interest & only you’re judge of that. This this type of emotional tirade does no one any good & nor is blaming democracy of failure of system-a system that was never been allowed to be matured by military who was/is all things that matters.

@Spock

How come democracy works so well for other countries that are not literate? India, our very own neighbor with so many similarities (not to mention the fact starting from the same endeavors) fared so well? The first thing that comes to mind is the military intervention in politics we have which they never had. Yes, we cant just blame the beloved Generals alone but in India the politicians were given a chance to get seasoned and learn from their mistakes and eventually turn into great administrators. In our case, we made sure no one got the opportunity to do that. You also eliminate many aspiring to be good politicians when you start a decade long military regime. Yes, feudal land lords etc. are bad but keep in mind the military which almost ruled the country as long as the short stinted democracies could have passed decent land reforms and meaningful measures to curb the ill effects of feudalism. Unlike their democractic counterparts, they enjoyed decades of unopposed rule too.

That is not true actually. Even in the muslim world, democracy has been a relative success in societies that are more advanced and literate than us. Examples: Malaysia & Turkey.

As for India they have turned a corner (economically) during the last 8 to 10 years thanks to a 40% strong educated middle-class (or around 500 million Indians). So education is very important. Corruption and mismanagement is still endemic in India (although compared to Pakistan, there is less corruption in India). Even now the general public perception of politicians is not a favourable one in India. They are seen as corrupt and untrustworthy people. In most hindi films politicians are portrayed as rogues or thieves!

And how long are we going to hide the failings and shortcomings of our politicians by using sugarcoated phrases like ‘democracy has not been allowed to flourish in Pakistan by the military’; ‘worst democracy is better than best dictatorship.’ blah blah.. Yes the process takes time but the reality is our politicians have shown neither commitment nor willingness to mend their haramkhor and corrupt ways, if the last 7 years are anything to go by (present PML-N is only marginally better than present PPP). So what make us think that they will change and strengthen the institutions if given more time. Why should we give them the benefit of the doubt? To hell with such rhetoric and BS.

Democracy loses moral authority the moment elected representatives start indulging in corrupt practices and stop doing what they were elected for in the first place. Besides it doesn’t work for everyone. Iraq was more stable under Saddam and although Gaddafi was a dictator, under him there was a welfare system (or kind of) in Libya with free health and education for all and many Libyans were happy.

And I for one believe that a parliamentary system of democracy is more corrupt than a presidential one. In a parliamentary system one often has to tell blatant lies to the public in the name of party discipline. In a presidential system the president is the final authority. He decides whether he wants to have a cabinet comprised of politicians, technocrats or a combination of the two. He does not have to worry about keeping his partners happy by giving them ministries or bribes.