Allah hadayat day tumko is all i can say ....
and in saying that i dont in any way mean that what u say is wrong ... yes the firefighters and other recuers were heroes indeed... but look around u .. not with ignorance .. but really look and then maybe ull c the light ....
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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**Those who do not have the courtesy to recognize courageous men just because they disagree with their ideologies are the biggest cowards in my eyes.
Regardless of how you feel about US or its policies, how you feel about Israel and Palestine, you have to give the thumbs up to those brave men who risked their lives to save others. And while doing their job lost their own lives.
Indeed, hats off to the N.Y.F.D!**
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Those who do not have the courtesy to recognize courageous men just because they disagree with their ideologies are the biggest cowards in my eyes.
Would you be kind enough to elaborate more on this. This time leave the Anger and the Hatred OUT OF IT.
Stick to the topic at hand. Diverting it to all different sides is not appreciated. If you wish to praise the struggles of Palestinians, go ahead and start your own thread. If you disagree with this thread, state your reasons in a clear manner.
Bickering like school boys and calling names is hardly appropriate.
Be levelheaded, and appreciate what is good, do not compare with other matters, stick to the topic and talk about it,
I agree that those people showed guts but they were innocent, they never knew that would be their last heroism
And Mr. Alibeta.. who knows what they might have done, if they knew the building is gonna come down. I guess they might have run away from it as far as possible..
It is sad that it is coming out of your mouth Gizzy yaar! I have respect for you as I know you think before you speak unlike many of our fellow guppies here!
As for if they would have known that buildings were to come down! You are absolutely right kay 'niyat' sirf Allah taalaah jantaa hay. If you go that way. Lets take the 'niyat' of Shaheeeds, lets take an example. Major Aziz bhatti Shaheed. I have great admiration for the man. Who knows that when he was hit with the artillery fire whether it was accidental or he valor. Only God knows his intensions!
It was very courageous of the NYFD that they entered a 110 story building if a plane would have crashed into it! There was always the risk of the buildind coming down! I salute them! They are heros according to me and nothing could change that!
Just for the sake of discussion, cz this thread ain't going anywhere anyway. How would you feel if you put pictures of Palestinian children and fighters and someone comes in and say: "These guys deserve everything which is happening to them, because they had forgotten about Allah and Islam and hence Allah imposed jews on them. The real people to praise are the sahabah of Ghazwa-e-Badr and martyrs of Ghazwa-e-Uhadd. I have better people to praise than these Palestinians."
What will you feel about such a post? Wouldn't you feel angry, that you are trying to project the feeling of frustration for our muslim brothers and this holier-than-thou shmuck has come in and diverted the topic to what "he" feels is MORE important.
This post is about firefighters who died. I am sure there are better examples of people to praise, but to criticize someone for respecting the firefighters for dying in their duty is highly insensitive.
since u live in NY, u have to support all Americans and jews especially.
Hillary Clinton, when elected as senator from USA, recently went to Israel, and puked against Palestinians and Arafat with all sort of filthy words. Every Mayor NY has to support jewish causes. So this is in the air of NYC, that u r being so prauising NYFDs.
Did they know that building is falling when they enter the WTC? On the other hands, brave r those who piloted those plans, whoc committed suicide bombings. u and i can not agree to their thinking, but yes, they r brave in all possible meanings. On the other hand, i would like to know what NYFDs would do if they knew it was a suicidal mission??
since u live in NY, u have to support all Americans and jews especially.
Did they know that building is falling when they enter the WTC? On the other hands, brave r those who piloted those plans, whoc committed suicide bombings. u and i can not agree to their thinking, but yes, they r brave in all possible meanings. On the other hand, i would like to know what NYFDs would do if they knew it was a suicidal mission??
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I live in NY and I support New Yorkers, be they jews, Muslims, Hindus, freakin' martians.
NYFD would not have gone into a suicide mission because they should live to fight fires another day. These are the heroes.
The idiots who flew the planes into buildings are not heroes, they are cowards.
HAHAHA FreeofMind!!! you just assumed Alibeta lives in NYC, whereas he doesnt... And one more thing, why didnt you mention Kashmiri militants when you talked about fighting for a higher cause? Kashmiris are brave, fighting against opression arent they? Why does your blind love for Vajpayee prevent you from appreciating their bravery?
You are just jealous that Alibeta is friends with Salman and youre not, I think that picture was great, and Id love to get a picture like that taken with a leading Pakistani band member.
And Quasimodo juice, what you said makes no sense at all... I bet if we make a thread appreciating Mother Teresa or Sir Faraday, you would go on to say, wait a minute they were non-Muslims so their work was haraam. Does that make any sense at all? Grow up...
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This is not politics forum. Keep your squabbles out of here, and use decent language when communicating here. Name-calling by any member is strongly discouraged.**
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And Quasimodo juice, what you said makes no sense at all...
To THE NAME MOLESTER, Like I said B4, SENSELESS CAN'T MAKE A SENSE OUT OF IT. And by the way, HOW old R U?
I bet if we make a thread appreciating Mother Teresa or Sir Faraday, you would go on to say, wait a minute they were non-Muslims so their work was haraam. Does that make any sense at all?
U STILL DIDN'T GET IT. STOP WAISTING MY TIME U.L.P Just go and play with UR L.S.