I was watching this show a few weeks ago on GEO called “Bachey maan kay Sachay.” The host asked on of the kids what he would do if Pakistan were invaded by the “enemy.”
The kid replied “I would strap a bomb on myself, cross the border and blow them up…” I was shocked… The host went on and probed the kid even more, telling him that strapping a bomb and killing yourself is not as easy as it sounds, where upon the kid simply said “im really brave and im just gonna go to the border, lie down there and blow up as many of them as I can” or something to this regard. The host thought this was great and had all the kids acknowldge this by giving the kid a huge round of applause, I mean these were five year olds there for god sakes.
I just thought this was all sick and sadistic. Is this what were teaching our children? To blow themselves up, to kill the enemy… What kind of sick twisted society are we becoming or have we become???
I see this all across Pakistan, were such a militirized society, all our achievments are summed up by our military gains (or lack there of!).
Just go to any city and what to we display, not knowledge, not cleanliness, we display our latest long range missile. Even a family outing on the town is not complete without seeing atleast one machine gun totting security guard or policemen.
Anyone else see this as a problem?
Re: Brainwashing the Pak youth.... Sick!
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The kid replied "I would strap a bomb on myself, cross the border and blow them up..."
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I thought China was a friend?
yea I think you are right, displaying hostoric planes who has actually done something in past is another thing.
but displaying missles in cities i think its too much of army culture. i dont know have we displayed a model atomic bomb yet or not :) yes we are brainwashing our kids.
Patrotism is different, kids can be limited only to few songs that will be enough i guess, in stead of this extreme and wrong messages,
we dont need to strap our kids with bombs, when we have the missles and al it take to defend our country. and its certainly not Phalistine situation here.
kids are getting brain washed by media from the west and plus this extermists. we are creating two generations which will not like eachother let alone enemies.
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yea I think you are right, displaying hostoric planes who has actually done something in past is another thing.
but displaying missles in cities i think its too much of army culture. i dont know have we displayed a model atomic bomb yet or not :) yes we are brainwashing our kids.
Patrotism is different, kids can be limited only to few songs that will be enough i guess, in stead of this extreme and wrong messages,
we dont need to strap our kids with bombs, when we have the missles and al it take to defend our country. and its certainly not Phalistine situation here.
kids are getting brain washed by media from the west and plus this extermists. we are creating two generations which will not like eachother let alone enemies.
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You know, its ridiculous that we place so much emphasis on or Military capability. We have turned a Nuclear scientist into a national hero, while other Pakistanis that have had world recognition, such as a certain Noble laureate who shall remain unnamed, are not given half the credit.
One of the scarier thing about this whole thing, is that GEO is an independant station, not govt owned, and yet they talk almost as a mouth piece for the govt. Considering Musharaf is trying to destroY extremism and terrorism in Pak, he should start by banning such provactive stuff on the air, aswell as removing those ugly missiles we display everywhere... Its little things like this that play havoc on societies mind.
And not only do we not need child suicide bomber as morbid as that is, but we should be focusing less on ways to kill and more on ways to make peace..
btw, they do have a model of the Changai hills where they had the Nuke tests in Islamabad I believe.
PakPat… I disagree. TV should show what is going on in the country, else how would we know? The only way this mindset will end is when kids will have meaningful things to do. I doubt if the little kid who wanted to strap bombs comes from a family that is affluent and eats 3 meals a day. It is always your ‘bey rozgar little schmuks’ with nothing going on in life that act so hoohaa. Once you provide economic opportunities and expose your kids to different views, no one wants to strap bombs on themselves. In India, young teens study 29 hours a day to pass college entrance test. They don’t have time to think about bombs and stuff. We in Pakistan are just a little behind.
^ ahh yes...the people who supposedly smashed planes into the wtc were neither educated nor had anything to eat. The fact that one of them was working on his phd thesis is also fiction.
The display of missiles is ofcourse nothing nice. However in a country like Pakistan, where corrupt rulers come and go, it is but wise and commendable that such things are displayed. Nobody would have the guts to roll back our nuclear program. The people of Pakistan will remember everyday by seeing such monuments that they are a nuclear power. The day we forget about our power, we have India waiting on our next door ready to swallow us.
Here Indians sound and act like angels as if they are all about peace. They are the ones who started this race in the first place.
Anyway, Great is the nation of Pakistan, by the will of Allah, ready to defend itslef at any cost. and so it did over 50 years!
Lunatic…Oh really? I didn’t know they had bombs strapped on their bellies? Are you dumb or what? If they had bombs how could they pass the security?
Saudi education is as good as camel dung. And I wouldn’t call Saudi food something to write home about.
Did any one of them had anything going for him? Did they have any say in the affairs of their own countries? That’s what I meant with ‘giving them something to do - exposing them to different views’, but apparently it was such a hard concept to understand. I apologize.
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The display of missiles is ofcourse nothing nice. However in a country like Pakistan, where corrupt rulers come and go, it is but wise and commendable that such things are displayed. Nobody would have the guts to roll back our nuclear program. The people of Pakistan will remember everyday by seeing such monuments that they are a nuclear power. The day we forget about our power, we have India waiting on our next door ready to swallow us.
Here Indians sound and act like angels as if they are all about peace. They are the ones who started this race in the first place.
Anyway, Great is the nation of Pakistan, by the will of Allah, ready to defend itslef at any cost. and so it did over 50 years!
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Actually, a nation with a huge army and nukes does not need kids wiht bombs around their waists, does it?
^ Surely it doesen't. I was talking about the dispaly of missiles not the kids. The greatest weapon of kids is education.
Tying bombs around one's waist and blowing up is suicide and haram in Islam.
well I dont mean to imply that India is perfect, they know they can be just as violent and backwards as we can be if not more. It just takes a different kind of trigger to set them of.
But regardless of what social class these kids belong to, the last thing we need is more poor kids watching such programs and getting the impression that they should be blowing people up.
I personally dont think its the poor kids that are most influenced, I think its the more affluent who end up being more of a terror then them. I mean, I mean, Pakistan isnt as screwed up as it is because of the poor, its the rich and educated who tend to be the trouble makers, the poor tend to be caught inbetween.
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The display of missiles is ofcourse nothing nice. However in a country like Pakistan, where corrupt rulers come and go, it is but wise and commendable that such things are displayed. Nobody would have the guts to roll back our nuclear program. The people of Pakistan will remember everyday by seeing such monuments that they are a nuclear power. The day we forget about our power, we have India waiting on our next door ready to swallow us.
Here Indians sound and act like angels as if they are all about peace. They are the ones who started this race in the first place.
Anyway, Great is the nation of Pakistan, by the will of Allah, ready to defend itslef at any cost. and so it did over 50 years!
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There are better ways that are less invasive to remind us of our Nuclear capability. Its called education, we can remind kids of our capability through education and other ways.
My biggest worry, is that were turning into a militarized society.. Its like were living in a modern day Troy. If we want to promote democracy, tolerance, and a peaceful society, we have to stop turning our society into a military state...
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Anyway, Great is the nation of Pakistan, by the will of Allah, ready to defend **itslef* at any cost. and so it did over 50 years!
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it is interesting that you do not consider Kashmir to be part of Pak's "self"
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it is interesting that you do not consider Kashmir to be part of Pak's "self"
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Kashmir is for Kashmiris and they may choose to be with Pakistan or be free. and yes for your info, we did get half of it from a mighty India.
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Kashmir is for Kashmiris and they may choose to be with Pakistan or be free. and yes for your info, we did get half of it from a mighty India.
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Actually, India never had that "half" of Kashmir, which was more like 30%. The Gilgit-Baltistan area, now called Northern Areas went to Pak when local Muslim armymen agreed with their British commander, Major William Brown of the Gilgit Scouts and staged a virtual coup to join Pak. The Mirpur-Muzaffarabad areanever had any "Kashmiris" but Pahari, Potohari and Punjabi speakers who had more in common with Punjabis than Kashmiris. They revolted against the Dogra army of the Maharaja. India was nowhere in the picture. When IA was called into action, it kicked the Pak army and tribal lashkar all the way out of the Kashmiri speaking area.
^ Well, as Kashmiris say, Kashmir banega Pakistan, I would say even if it does not become Pakistan, we will make sure it does not stay with India either. Even though India controls Kashmir valley by force, think of the price you had to pay for that, whereas our army did not even come into action over Kashmir. The issue has been a pain in the Indian *** for years ....so enjoy and keep enjoying!
Atleast I can never forget the East Pakistan occupation , aiding and training of Mukti Bahini etc... by India the "great". So the scores have to be settled!
^Well your Army came into action over Kashmir in 1947-48, 1965 and 1999 and did pay a price.
It is true that India is paying a price for Kashmir, but that is what all big nations do. The price is growing smaller as a portion of India's budget. Indian troops kill 5-6 jihadis for every soldier lost.
But think of the price Pakistan is paying today for trying to make India miserable. All the jihadi groups that Pakistan raised in the name of Kashmir have turned on their masters and even tried to kill Pakistani leaders. Some co-operated with Al Qaida. Many camps are now being bombed by Pakistan itself to please America. The reputation of Pakistanis has taken an beating and they are being persecuted for being 'jihadi friendly.'
Newton's third law ;)
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.....the last thing we need is more poor kids watching such programs and getting the impression that they should be blowing ..up.
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You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other son-of-a-bitch die for his.
- General George Patton
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well I dont mean to imply that India is perfect, ....
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Don't drag Bharat in this discussion. They are much more fanatic and thus stupid-er.
Incinerating and hacking 2,000+ middle class minority community of Gujarat, putting another 30,000+ in concentration camps hardly shows the "softer side" of the educated elite of Bharat.
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You know, its ridiculous that we place so much emphasis on or Military capability. We have turned a Nuclear scientist into a national hero, while other Pakistanis that have had world recognition, such as a certain Noble laureate who shall remain unnamed, are not given half the credit.
One of the scarier thing about this whole thing, is that GEO is an independant station, not govt owned, and yet they talk almost as a mouth piece for the govt. Considering Musharaf is trying to destroY extremism and terrorism in Pak, he should start by banning such provactive stuff on the air, aswell as removing those ugly missiles we display everywhere... Its little things like this that play havoc on societies mind.
And not only do we not need child suicide bomber as morbid as that is, but we should be focusing less on ways to kill and more on ways to make peace..
btw, they do have a model of the Changai hills where they had the Nuke tests in Islamabad I believe.
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PaKpatriot1
What do you propose as a solution to the problem of on the one hand "extremist" views of public opinion, "govt" tv stations and the actual govt.
And the fact that Pakistan is being "marketed" as a country that is helping/winning the war on terror, how do you suggest Pakistan/Muslims precipitate peacemaking initiatives with the west?