Re: Book of Hadith
Trust Allah :) Do Istikhara.
Re: Book of Hadith
I think hadith books deserve same level of respect that you give to Quran because it contains prophet's sayings/words and it may also contain quranic verses used in a hadith/saying. So to say that you can put them on floor and touch them without at least washing your hands is like trying very hard to disprespect something when it is not necessary. Sense of respect for holy books is very important since they are the driving force when it comes to our daily Islamic lives and lives of other Muslims in General.
The liberal *muslims* who are "na edhar ke na udhar ke" tend to be very loose when it comes to respecting Quran let alone the hadith books. Put it on the floor (bathroom or kitchen) It wouldn't make any difference to them because the SENSE of RESPECT is not there. I would be surprised if they have same type of respect for their parents that Islam requires.
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...oh and then they dodge YOU by asking where does Quran say that you should respect hadith/sunnah of the prophet. They think, it is not there hence the gool-matool question in order to suppor their argument.
PCG, where does it say in Quran that you can use the internet? If you are going to stick to the quran...
Quran regarding hadith/Sunnah:
The Qur'an 4:59, {O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger andthose of you who are in authority; and if you have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and the
Last Day; that is best and more suitable to the end.}
The Qur'an 4:80, {Whoever obeys the Messenger, he thereby surely has obeyed Allah, and whoever turns away--We have not send you as a watcher over them.}
Holy Qur’an, “...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it),...” (59:7). Allah also says, “And let those who oppose the Messenger’s (Muhammad SAW) commandment (i.e. his Sunnah - legal ways, orders, acts of worship, statements, etc.) (among the sects) beware, lest some fitnah (disbelief, trials, afflictions, earthquakes, killing, overpowered by a tyrant, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted upon them” (24:63).
Narrated Abu Hurairah (RA): Allah’s Messenger (SAW) said, “All my followers will enter Paradise except those who refuse.” They said, “O Allah’s Messenger! Who will refuse?” He said, “Whoever obeys me will enter Paradise, and whoever disobeys me is the one who refuses (to enter it)” (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
It is not hard to understand that respecting Sunnah / hadith of the prophet is a Must so why not the books which contain that sunnah, his way, his sayings? Why fool yourself in thinking that you respecting the Quran is enough but totally ignore respecting what the prophet said and did?
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and if not for the x, y, z who took the painstaking job of collecting the hadith for u, how wud u ever know what the Prophet (saw) had said???
surely he wont himself be coming to each and every muslims telling him/her what he had said about different matters…
Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet and his teachings needed to be preserved and Allah, through his Divine Wisodm, chose some special people to record the sayings for the rest of the followers…
why do u have a problem with it???
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PCG refers to quran like she obeys each and evrything in it.she doesnt even give referances ,just uses Quran.the prophets companion,they were there,they saw him,bathed in his divine light,heard him.ask PCG where in Quran is the process of namaz written.Where is the process of wudu written. if thats not in the Quran why does she do wudu(assuming she does) ,why does she pray in a specific prescribed manner (assuming she does) ,these r taught by the holy prophet and propagated by his companions.
Quran tells us to follow the prophet, his life is the quran,sunnah is recorded and so is hadith,evaluate ur life n tell me how many things u do daily as a muslim the details of which r not explicitly in the quran.R u so dumb?bytheway do u do purdah,afterall its in the quran. Bukhari shareef ka criteria was this ,he travelled very far to get a hadith but he rejected it because he said that the narrating man enticed his stubborn horse by dangling some grass or carrot before him,therefore one who wud use unfair means for an animal cud not be trusted,such was the strictest criteria used.I am sorry to state but its a fact,a traait common to all hypocrites is that they just 'throw' the word 'quran' in a discussion without bothering to understand anything,the meaning,the tafseer,the laws of islamic jurisprudence just for the sake of discussion,its their point of honor keh they r liberal muslims,we dont follow stupid maulvis,we just follow the quran to be on the safe side and dont even know a single thing abt quran.deplorable..
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For a believer, any given X, Y, or Z is the most trustworthy person. All companions of the Prophet:saw: were the most truthful of all. They ridhwanullah AliyehaY Ajm’aeen were the most beloved of all in the eyes of Allah:swt:
Not believing in the truthfulness of the great companions of the Prophet:saw: is a disrespect to Prophet:saw: himself.
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have u seen ALLAH?
ur trusting the prophet who told us to believe in one god who is ALLAH but ur not trusting those (and referring to them with disrespect) who trust the prophet.???
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Then why didn’t the Prophet request a scribe to note down the words he said that he wanted us to remember?
Maybe because he didn’t want his words to be worshipped like the Quran’s words…
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The companions also warred against each other and fought over leadership and various administrative decisions after the Prophet died. If you want to trust people responsible for wars in which muslims killed other fellow muslims, then you go right ahead. :k: Doesn’t mean that everyone who believes in God and the Quran’s teachings also need to buy into everything that is written in hadith reported by these very people and others in their community. As far as I know, God never protected the hadith, so I will always look at them with a shadow of doubt. Not that I wont look at them at all, but always keeping in mind that they weren’t written down with the supervision of the Prophet himself.
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Given the choice between the words of a Sahabi:razi: and PCG, I will be convinced by the words of the sahabi:razi: for sure
and as for the wars, the best way to find the actual facts and reasoning of the history is to get hold of a history book, IMHO.
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Good for you PCG…
The first thing you should throw out is Salat or Namaaz…Because obviously, its methodology comes from Ahadith…
Second thing you should throw out is Zakat…Because obviously, its methodology of calculation comes from Ahadith…
Third you should throw out Hajj…Because obviously its methodology comes from Ahadith…
Fourth you should throw out Sawm or Rozay…Because many of its rulings regarding its observance comes from Ahadith…
Fifth you should throw out the Kalima…Because the sentence ‘La-Ilaha-Il-Allah-Mohammed-Ur-Rasool-Allah’ is nowhere in the Quran…
There are your five pillars upon which your faith stands…
Take out Ahadith and see where your faith stands…It floats in midair floating in the breeze with the wind taking it wherever it blows…
Re: Book of Hadith
na edhar ke na udhar ke 
His words are used as GUIDANCE and not for worship. Do not misrepresent or misinform the general public with dubious ideas. Rejecting Sahaba, sunnah of the prophet is already enough crap coming out of your confused mind.
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His words are used as GUIDANCE and not for worship.
That's what I thought. But many muslims go so far as to basically worship the Prophet because of these hadith. If things are not done the way a hadith says it was done centuries ago, then its haraam. You gotta draw the line somewhere.
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And neither do we worship Quran. We wroship Allah:swt: alone and to worship Him correctly, we get GUIDANCE from Quran and Ahaadeeth.
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The discussion reminded me of the verse that clearly says that we'll find a good example in Prophet Muhammad (SAW). If we toss ahadith aside, it may not be very convenient to follow in the footsteps of Muhammad (SAW).
Here's the verse I'm referring to:
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"Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad [sal-Allâhu 'alayhi wa sallam]) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day, and remembers Allâh much." (Quran 033:021)
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Re: Book of Hadith
That verse was given to people who knew the Prophet in flesh. If we had a 100 percent accurate record of everything that he did and said, it would be one thing. There are many shady hadith’s and many weak ones, and many that clearly contradict the Quran, like my favorite example of the one that asks women not to be leaders.
I’m sure some of them are pretty valid, and I’m sure some of them are not.
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PERFECT.
have u guys noticed PCG dodges questions which we ask her n just writes a new comment.i mean she totally steers clear of questions which ‘question’ her previous statements.She hasnt even got any substance to defend wat she has stated.enough has been said,she doesnt come to discuss with the view of exchanging information n learning,she comes here with her mind made.The only thing that gets to me is how she shouts out her disrespect.
i mean how dumb,she doesnt even know wat she is talking about.Lajawab has put it in a beautiful way wat i was originally trying to ask her.
SHE IS TOTALLY IGNORANT OF HER RELIGION.
I salute those who still try to teach her to the best of their ability with patience but i just dont have the patience to say more,enough has been said,rest is just bickering n posting for the sake of posting.
ME THINKETH PCG STINKETH
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so which verse does that hadith contradict?
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The Quran talks about Queen Sheba as a leader and in a positive way. Never does it say that she should not be Queen because she is a woman.
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The first thing you should throw out is Salat or Namaaz...Because obviously, its methodology comes from Ahadith...
Second thing you should throw out is Zakat...Because obviously, its methodology of calculation comes from Ahadith...
Third you should throw out Hajj...Because obviously its methodology comes from Ahadith...
Fourth you should throw out Sawm or Rozay...Because many of its rulings regarding its observance comes from Ahadith...
Fifth you should throw out the Kalima...Because the sentence 'La-Ilaha-Il-Allah-Mohammed-Ur-Rasool-Allah' is nowhere in the Quran...
There are your five pillars upon which your faith stands...
Take out Ahadith and see where your faith stands...It floats in midair floating in the breeze with the wind taking it wherever it blows...
If you re-read my statements again, you'll see that I do not say totally disregard every hadith written down. Just keep in mind that there is a difference between things that actually happened versus things that were reported to happen. By your logic, every history book by a reputable historian is 100 percent accurate.