Do the same rules apply to handling the Book of Hadith as to the Holy Quran? (i.e. Not placing it on the floor, touching it with clean hands, etc.)
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"rules"? There is no such things as "rules", its simply the "ehtaram" of the sacred book that we practice.
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These so called rules are popular in ......sub-continent, and are often forced. Quranic Verse that states : 'Unclean will not touch it' is referred not to the cleaniness of body but rather the soul/heart.
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Do the same rules apply to handling the Book of Hadith as to the Holy Quran? (i.e. Not placing it on the floor, touching it with clean hands, etc.)
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so bascially, there is no requirement (unlike salat), to read the quran.
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oh my god, wudu kay baghair nahin lagatay yaar,salat is like talking to god,Quran is the word of god in ur hands.how can u not be in a state of wudu? frget abt rules logic is against it.
It is highly recommended and greatly emphasized that both Muslim males and females should touch the Qur’an while having wudu’. Allah says about the Qur’an, “None touches it except those who are pure.” (Al-Waqi`ah: 79)
In his response to your question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:
"According to the majority of scholars, it is not permissible to hold or touch the Glorious Qur’an (mushaf) without wudu’ (ablution). The same rule applies to carrying or holding parts of the Qur’an such as surat Yasin or other surahs printed separately without additional commentaries or explanations. Since they are all considered Qur’an, wudu’ is necessary for holding or carrying them.
Exceptions r there
http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/fatwah_story.asp?service_id=306
how come u posted without making sure?
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once we start following Quran (and Sunnah) we shall rise again, till then we shall continue to divide and pull legs.
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**Allah says about the Qur’an, “None touches it except those who are pure.” (Al-Waqi`ah: 79) **
Brother KARAKUSH,
Lets take an example: You have a non-muslim friend and he is interested in reading Quran(obviously, you are not going to say: Wudu First!!!, then you get Quran).
Now lets see what Quran has to say: “None touches it except those who are pure.”
I do not have anything against these scholars, but whats with exceptions…
it is like saying: *Although Quran says Alcohol is Haram, **but *we can have an exception when it is cold, as Alcohol will help us keep warm.
Quran is the easiest book on Earth, it is sad that yet many do not grab it.
As i say: “you do not have to be a genious to understand islam.” [itsme01]
Finally,
If you need help in understanding, I would recommend that you read Quran (in a language you can understand) as many times as possible. If you do not understand something ask, I, and others would be glad to help you.
I could not have said better myself.
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The actual context of 56:79 is in fact different. If we read ayah 75 onwards we will know what it is besides its application to the actual cleanliness of human body:
56:75 Furthermore I call to witness the setting of the Stars,
56:76 And that is indeed a mighty adjuration if ye but knew,
56:77 That this is indeed a qur'an Most Honourable,
56:78 In Book well-guarded,
56:79 Which none shall touch but those who are clean:
56:80 A Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.
check ayah 77 and then 78 ... it tells us that Quran is From a Book which is well guarded. That well guarded book is given three names in Quran : Kitaabum Maknoon, Lawhim Mahfooz, Ummul Kitaab
Therefore, when ayah 79 tells us that only those who are clean touch that WELL GUARDED book, it is not refering to Quran but to Kitaabum Maknoon and those who are clean (Mutaharoon) are Angels.
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I am talking about muslims only.
brother exception is defined as
One that is excepted, especially a case that does not conform to a rule or generalization.
in case of special circumstances there are exeptions,for example there are certain conditions that must be fulfilled in order to take a medicine containing haram ingredients. Such conditions may be classified as follows:
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The medicine containing haram ingredients (alcohol as stated in the question) must be necessary for the life of the person who takes it.
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A knowledgeable and trustworthy Muslim physician should recommend such type of medicine containing alcohol.
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The person is not allowed to take this particular type of medicine while there are other lawful medicines available."
since we r talking abt exceptions ur example of ingesting alcohol simply to keep warm is null and void unless its in conformance with the rules set by those who r qualified.
Now for the exception in wudu regarding quran
it is considered permissible for students and teachers to hold or carry the Qur’an without wudu’, and this exception is based on the rule of necessity. In other words, requiring them to make wudu’ every time they hold or carry the Qur’an would cause undue hardship, and thus be an obstacle in the way of learning or memorizing the Qur’an.
Having said this, we must also point out that there are some scholars, including some eminent Companions such as Ibn `Abbas - who say: Wudu’ is not an essential condition for holding or touching the Qur’an. These scholars allow people to hold the Qur’an or carry it without wudu’ if they so desire, as long as they are free of major impurity (state of janabah).
reference website/url for above given before
having said the above i wud like to add that exceptions exist in all facets of life.
unrelated to the issue at hand
ty for ur kind offer,i prefer to look to my books,internet and people whom i know r qualified to address my query.i dont know u yet personally or via any reference.
as for ur recommendation ,i thank u again for ur concern,nothing more.according to my knowledge ijtihad shud only be done wen every other source has been exhausted.
i was a bit(more than a bit) shocked which dominated my reaction to ur post.if i offended u i apologize.
Lastly its apparent thru ur posts n wordings used that u consider reading the holy Quran to be devoid of any requirements so what can i say excpet that fine… its ur prerogative.
Plus there is a new meaning to quran whenever u read the same thing,i say this by experiance as well.for example for a word like “lion” there r a 100 ways in arabic to use it .The only possible way to relate to quran at a deeper level is to learn arabic first.
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the main subject of discussion here is the Quran hence one wud think that pronouns used here refer to the Quran…
kitaab-e-maknoon itself owes its mentioning here cuz Quran is being discussed…
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may be, you are right. I was just mentioning one of the understandings that have been established (according to Tafheem-ul-Quran of Maudoodi). Nonetheless, ayah refers to physical cleanliness than spiritual. After all, this book is the book of guidance to those who are astray or on the path.
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yep, once u say its not physical tahaarat that is required, u have to go and find meanings for TOUCHING which r not really what yamussuhu means....
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A book of hadith? Its not word of God, so you can read it without wudu and I am guessing you can put it on the floor.
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baat ehtaram ki hay,kisi kay dil main hay kisi kay dil main nahin.its ok to read it without wudu but even though its a compilation of hadith it has the name of the Creator in it.it has the name of the person most beloved by Allah.even suggesting that it can be “put on the floor” is a most disrespectful thought and shows ignorance.anybody having a problem with my opinion can have my response in advance =i dont give a rats as* wat u think,disrespect is disrespect.anyways pcg is known to post senseless and immature comments like these.
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If there is a law in the Quran that says you cannot put the Book of Hadith on the floor, let me know.
The only thing I’ve heard from my Islamic teachers is that you can’t put the Quran on the floor since its Divine. I haven’t heard anything else. The only point you may have correct is that since it has God’s name in it, it should not be put on the floor. But I bet if I put up a post on whether or not The Great Gatsby should be put on the floor since it has the word “God” in it, then everyone would be like whatever, its an American book, who cares. 
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the above words wud suit a person who follows the instructions of quran to the dot.do u? or do u just use quran for the sake of discussions or as leverage to discredit anything u dont follow which isnt explicitly in quran.
teachers r facilitators,they teach students how to think,y dont u think for urself instead of using ur teachers as a source who have taught u to respect Quran since it is divine.
as i said before ,its about EHTARAAM which is mandatory in some things and individualistic in others.some people dont feel it some do.
as i said i dont care abt others.its my opinion.i am even against surahs n ayats being printed in news papers,u see them rolling in dirt,on roads,people using them to wipe their greasy hands and throwing them away etc etc.i am even against the monumental ALLAH made of stone on tariq road chowk,khi,pakistan becoz birds crap on it and it rarely gets cleaned.anyways my opinion ,we can agree to disagree and give our opinions.
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PCG, is respect a concept lost on you ? You are smarter than you make yourself appear to be.
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You respect Great Gatsby and people who don't believe as you do just as much as you respect some written guesswork on what the Prophet said centuries ago, then tell me about Respect.
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PCG, i spoke of Respect when it comes to the Quran. It does not take a genius to figure out that the word of Allah should be respected, if some choose to respect it more by treating the book with care then it really shouldnt be something to redicule.
As for the Hadith, to me the evidence is clear that the 'guesswork' is something very close to islam and something that we should follow and apply to our lives. if you choose to not believe it then so be it. For me the Quran makes it very clear that i should obey Allah AND his messenger.
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Yes, obey his messenger. Not the guy who reported he said x, y, and z, and when we have no 100 percent certain way of verifying it other than trusting the guy.
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PCG,
Hadiths have been collected from various sources (not from the guy), and cross-verified for authenticity.