again, the fact that none of these groups were contained during thr eule of civilian regimes, and not just these groups but groups killing people along ethnic lines. Then One can revise your simple conclusion make it more encompassing and come up with
“The top echelons of the governments of past did not see sectarian and ethnic violence as a real threat”
how long has Sipah sahaba, lashkr e jhangvi, tehrik e jafria, sipah e mohamad etc been active? what was done in the 90’s by previous governments to contain them?
so Zia may have encouraged teh growth of such groups..fine..but what did teh civilian governments do to contain these clowns, or other assorted asses like MQM, Jiye Sindh and all the ethnic violence that went on.
What are you guys talking about…. Aren’t there people other than thugs from one Firka been living under the same governments? How come you don’t see any Ahmadis or Hindus blowing up Shia mosques? As I said before, take the blame and reject these ideals that have become part of your DNA.
I dont know if it is sunni DNA to blow up shia mosques anymore than it is in punjabi DNA to oppress other ethnic groups or among shia DNA in Iran to suppress all others.
Fraudz, I am not talking about Sunnis or the thugs, I am talking about the apologists from the Firka of the thugs. I don’t see any Shia jumping to coming to defense or coming up with theories such as thrown up above. Do you see any? Lump summing all nonsense into two sentences really shows how much it must hurt to simply recognize that “yes, these are morons motivated by religious hatred against other faiths, and nothing more than that”,,, now you can blame Zia, Khomeni, Waheed Murad, and everyone, but that’s only one more proof of the length some will go to seed doubt. In the media it is knows as Arab duplicity.
there can be no apologies for the actions of these thugs.
these are morons motivated by religious hatred against other faiths, and nothing more than that.
I dont know about others but the point I was trying to make was that no government atleast over the last 20-30 years has been able to contain violence, whether religious or ethnic in nature.
Having spent time in karachi during its worst time where sectarian killings were a daily thing, and ethnic battles were a norm in the city. I see it just fit to point out that all governments, civilian or military have failed the common pakistanis.
I think Shias should attack the source of the terror and burn down GHQ. Only then will the army who eats all our money and terrorizes in return will wake up.
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I think Shias should attack the source of the terror and burn down GHQ. Only then will the army who eats all our money and terrorizes in return will wake up.
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NO NO..shias can't take revenge..they should not take revenge from their killers..never take law in their on hands..or some people here will say there are extremist groups on both sides
govt won't do **** about it..we can't take law in our hands..so for now we will just keep getting bombed
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..never take law in their on hands..or some people here will say there are extremist groups on both sides
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you still think shia extremist groups never killed anyone innocent?
take off your sectarian hatred blinders for sometime and see the reality.
I have no issue with morons from each side killing each other, but when they start attacking unrelated people thats when I have an issue.
Although shia extremists in Pakistan have not killed as many unrelated innocent ppl, they still have. Yes it has not been recent, but in recent past.
If you cant see that even after people have posted information than its just selective reading. Thank god that there are those who can see beyond sects and look at these as a tragedy facing humans, muslims and pakistanis.
so what would you suggest mr xtreme..what should be the answer
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The answer should be to campaign for justice. The authorities are responsible for every citizen in Pakistan, Shia, Sunni, Christian or Hindu. There are enough liberal newspapers like Dawn, or Friday Times, awareness needs to be raised in electronic media too. Any religious thugs from whatever firka need to be eliminated. But bear in mind it's not as easy as all that. We still have morons like Cap'n Hook Hamza running around London calling for death to the Brits.
We are dealing with a lone suicide bomber here, his connections need to be determined then action taken. If it isn't then there needs to be questions asked why.
you still think shia extremist groups never killed anyone innocent?
take off your sectarian hatred blinders for sometime and see the reality.
I have no issue with morons from each side killing each other, but when they start attacking unrelated people thats when I have an issue.
Although shia extremists in Pakistan have not killed as many unrelated innocent ppl, they still have. Yes it has not been recent, but in recent past.
If you cant see that even after people have posted information than its just selective reading. Thank god that there are those who can see beyond sects and look at these as a tragedy facing humans, muslims and pakistanis.
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all i know is that shia scholers would never allow them to kill innocents..the only killings in the recent past i can remember is the killin of azam tariq..its not all that hard to kill a few sunnis here and there but we just dont see that in the news..even if they made mistakes in the past, well they must have corrected themselves because we just don see any sunni killings..but on the other hands the shias have been killed constantly
^ nothing different than i was saying and have been saying. and i dont think they corrected themselves, as their support from Iran weakened and as the ghunda agrdee progressed more they were marginalised, otherwise they were just as badmaash as the sunni extremist groups and just as brutally killed innocent people.
anyways, the point here is that, this needs to end..the short term solution is to actively go after these groups and tyo provide security at shia places of worship, and longer term people need to be educated to remove the hoodwinks of sectarian hatred that exist in our country.
Sorry to hear that Sheraz. May the killers pay with their lives for this and other atrocities against Shias. I wish I could unleash dogs on them basterd and have their flesh fed to all hate-moger Mullahs.
sorry to hear that Sheraz, Somone I know was there as well, but was impacted physically..but the sight and the trauma has been too much for him and he is in a state of shock.
IMO people who commited such attrocities are nor Sunnis, nor Shias(or any other sect of Islam). They are simply terrorists, and terrorists have no religion.