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what do u think was the reason that bjp failed in the loksabha election. Even in gujarat where communal division was the highest, the bjp could not retain half of their previous seats.
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Are you guys trying to tell me that BJP was voted out because the voters In India thought that these leaders were not good to Muslims? On the contrary, anti-Muslim agenda has helped Hindu nationalists in the past. Accept that.
And Zehra Sheikh has been sentenced for perjury. How long will it take courts to sentence Modi and Advani?
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Indian police are cruel when they pick up a petty thief, or a local goonda. Killings in custody are quickly investigated. Look at the recent death of a person in Asam. The newspapers learned of it, and published everything....including post mortem reports. Supposed encounters are quickly uncovered. Custodial killings are quickly made public. What you see in a movie and reality are very different.
Case and point is Kerala. Dawood Ibrahim and Chota Rajan use Kerala to bring money and supplies to cause havoc in Mumbai. The Indian intelligencies were well aware, but cannot make an arrest. By the time all the red tape has been cleared and the CBI can make an arrest, both jump ship and leave the country. Why don't Indians don't give up their rights, exactly because they are rights. The leaders in India get voted out of office when they go beyond their mandate. Indians hold democracy and the rights of the indivudual very highly. But in the democracy, they , in their attempt to not be overwhelming on minorities, bog the gov't down.
This was a very interesting and informational read.
How long ago did such groups invade Karachi? I've been out of Karachi for a little over 9 years. However, back in the days all we had were local riots and trouble between the politcal parties. At the time I never heard of any shady people or organizations operating. Also, keep in mind that Pakistan's police is quite corrupt. I reckon watching a documentary on T.V. and it disclosed how innocent in Pakistan who are unable to pay bribes to the police were getting shipped out to 'the bay' in Cuba. Similarly, Pakistan police is very keen on rounding up people it doesn't like and laying all sorts of blames on them. I'm sure there is truth to what you're saying, but many I'm sure are innocent and are in trouble because of the corrupt police force.
As for the case with Indian police, I wasn't referring to the way they are portrayed in the movies, but the way they are portrayed in many documentaries. Then again I suppose those with connections cannot be touched, else the force is asking for all sorts of trouble.
I'm sure if the Indian political parties were to campaign that they would oust the troublemakers and bring about peace in the region, I'm sure the Indians would vote. If, the current government takes it upon itself to get rid of the troublemakers or to deal with them in a manner they see fit and even if it means infringing upon the rights of the citizens, I doubt that the citizens would have enough power to overthrow the government.
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Sorry I was sooooooooooooooooowrong…LOL…
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Over the past four years, ordinary Indians have been singled out in several high-profile attacks usually aimed at a Hindu temple or a public space such as a market.
The most notable are:
August 2002 - nine Hindu pilgrims killed in an attack in Kashmir
December 2002 - 14 Hindus killed in an attack on a temple in Jammu
August 2003 - more than 50 dead in two bomb attacks in Mumbai
Sept 2004 - about 30 killed in an attack on Gujarat's Akshardham temple
July 2005 - five militants killed after a failed attempt to storm a disputed site in Ayodhya
Oct 2005 - more than 60 killed in a series of bomb blasts in Delhi.
The attacks have led to much anger but the sentiment has rarely translated into a deterioration in relations between Hindus and Muslims.
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Yesterday morning, police said they killed one of the suspected perpetrators of the attack: the man, according to police sources, was affiliated with the Islamist terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistan-based group fighting for independence in Indian Kashmir from New Delhi and which is active throughout India.
However, this morning, claims of responsibility came from a different quarter: a thus-far unknown Islamic group, the Lashkar-e-Kahar, told a press agency it was behind the tragedy. “We carried out the Varanasi attacks,” said one man claiming to be the group’s spokesman on the phone. “And there will be others, until India stops the atrocities it is committing against Muslims in Kashmir.
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Here are some of the reactions from Indians from the world press.
Young restaurant owner Abhay Pratap Singh said: "Gone are the days when any act of terrorism would be linked to every Muslim on earth. Muslims have themselves realised that they are as much a target of terrorists as Hindus."
He was also confident that the people of Varanasi would not fall prey to the designs of vested interests trying to disturb the peace of the city.
"There is nothing Hindu-Muslim about this. It was an act of terrorism and all Muslims of this city condemn the incident," said Almeen Society of India president Pervez Qadir Khan.
He personally went around Muslim localities and urged people to cooperate with the strike and maintain communal harmony.
Bharat Kumar, an automobile dealer, praised local Muslim leaders.
"We must also hail local Muslims for extending full cooperation in making Wednesday's 'bandh' a success." He added: "Sure enough, all Muslims are not bad and all Hindus are not good."
Sanjay Panday, a 43-year-old Hindu shopkeeper, blamed the attack on "Muslim extremists."
"Their purpose is to disrupt our society, to show that Hindus ruling India cannot live in a peaceful way with Muslims," he said. "But our people are aware of this intention so there will be no communal violence."
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It is very rare that terrorism can be defeated through brute force alone. Just look at Balochistan and Waziristan. The army can conduct any number of operations it wants, but that still won't solve the problem. It takes time no matter how soft or hard a country is perceived to be.
Some of you are putting too much emphasis on the alleged "softness" of Indian democracy in confronting terror. You would still be disappointed even if all your reservations were fully addressed.
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Some of you are putting too much emphasis on the alleged "softness" of Indian democracy in confronting terror. You would still be disappointed even if all your reservations were fully addressed.
Islamic militant groups are mounting such attacks to create a divide between the majority Hindus and Muslims, who make up 12 percent of the country's population.
These blasts are not merely to bloody a few people or kill a few people here and there. The idea is they are banking on some kind of Hindu backlash or majoritarian backlash so that in turn would radicalize the common Muslim population, and that is the larger aim.
When Hindus backlash, there would be cries from Pakistanis "See this is reason we created Pakistan"
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^ that's why it's important that Hindus don't backlash violently. Otherwise they are just playing into the terrorist hands.
That's probably why the Indian police quickly went after suspects - that way the Hindu anger is correctly directed at the culprits rather than on entire muslim community.
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Can someone please gather some Bharati officials blaming ISI for these blasts? Because it is obvious that people who were blaming ISI or Pakistan were just conspiracy theorists. And seems like Bharat has a lot of such people.
NEW DELHI: India has a new and grave reason to worry, warn some of country’s most authoritative voices in domestic security as they talk of an unprecedented and alarming trend visible in recent terrorist attacks. The trend of locals taking to terrorism, they believe, is a major challenge for the future of secular India.
India always took pride in the fact that Indian Muslims, outside Kashmir, never took to terrorism. In attacks like 9/11 in the US, bombings in Madrid, London and elsewhere, there were no Indian connections. Even in Kashmir there has hardly been any Muslim from rest of India fighting for militant groups all these years.
But all that is now slowly changing as the fresh wave of terrorist attacks show off the growing new face of terrorism in India. “It is alarming, we need to worry,” a senior security officer, who has been in the forefront of India’s fight against terrorism, told DNA.
The old formula of jehadis from Pakistan and Kashmir coming into India and carrying out attacks is no more the story, according to highly dependable sources. The investigators are not yet sure of what the definite pattern of this new terrorism is. But by now they have a grip of what is happening in the hinterland of India.
As of now there is no indication that the terrorist groups, Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed among others, have created such local networks across India capable of carrying out multiple blasts in multiple locations.
I say give those Bharati muslims a kick in the back and a hard lesson in ‘banday mataram’.
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Hye, mein sadqay iss ‘aqilmandi’ ke. Why was Curmudgeon not giving this great advice to his kar-sewak terrorists when they killed thousands of ‘secular Bharati muslims’ in Gujrat?
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Bhai
I said on this forum a while ago, even if a small little tiny puppy dog dies in the streets of India, it is blammed to ISI…
ISI is getting on their nerves. even when they go to the bathroom 
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Don’t worry too much…when Musharaf fulfils his promised agenda, ISI will be able to do just that and not much else outside Pakistan. In fact we wouldn’t mind outsourcing dog catching to ISI as long as they don’t sell the dogs to their ‘chinese’ friends for lunch
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^ Oh dear, you really felt it. I didn’t mean to tickle you.
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Okay, let me help you a bit for this.
**INDIAN COLONEL: TROOPS `DYING LIKE DOGS’ **
HON. EDOLPHUS TOWNS
In the US House of Representatives
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 16, 1999 Congressional Record, Page: E1281
Mr. TOWNS. Mr. Speaker, all of us have been following with alarm the Indian attack on the Kashmiri freedom fighters at Kargil and Dras. India has been losing many of its troops in this desperate effort to crush the freedom movements within its borders. Casualties are mounting. The soldiers they sent to discharge this dirty war are demoralized. According to the Associated Press, an Indian colonel said that Indian troops are dying like dogs .'** A corporal is quoted as saying **Even in war we don’t have such senseless casualties.’ 
tsk tsk
http://www.dalitstan.org/journal/rights/106/160699.html
**Stop Dying Like Dogs for the Indian Oppressors Will You Be a Martyr or a Mercenary? **
Join the Freedom Movement to Liberate Khalistan 
Dear Khalsa Ji:
The Indian attack on the Kashmiri freedom fighters at Kargil again shows the reality of Hindutva. You see the death of your fellow Sikhs on a daily basis. About 60 percent of the casualties are Sikhs. When India wants to suppress a freedom movement, they send other minorities to do the dirty work, pitting minorities against each other. Hindustan will just use you and discard you. Do not let yourself be a mercenary for this divide-and-rule strategy by the Indian tyrants.
India is losing this war. Casualties are mounting. An Indian colonel admitted that the troops are “dying like dogs.” A corporal is quoted as saying, “Even in war we don’t have such senseless casualties.” All these deaths are very tragic, but it is especially sad when Sikh soldiers give their lives for the oppressor. If a Sikh soldier must die, at least die for the Khalsa Panth. If you die for the Khalsa Panth, you will be a martyr. If you die for India, you are just a mercenary.
http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/72-1948.asp
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Indian Double Standard in Nepal
Wednesday March 09 2005 16:29:22 PM BDT
By Dr. Khagendra Thapa
An illustration of the India?s lack of commitment for human rights and democracy is the presentation in the US House of Representatives by Congressman Doolittle and Congressman EDOLPHUS TOWNS are given below:
HON. JOHN T. DOOLITTLE presented in the US House of Representatives
WEDNESDAY, JULY 21, 1999, Congressional Record, Page: E1616
Mr. Speaker, the world watches carefully the situation in Kashmir, where the Indian military attacked the Kashmiri freedom fighters to shut down the seventeen freedom movements within its borders. The effort did not go well for India, despite its claims of victory. An Indian military spokesman admitted that Indian troops were ‘dying like dogs .’
http://www.bangladesh-web.com/news/view.php?hidDate=2005-03-08&hidType=EDT&hidRecord=0000000000000000036808
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NO point posting a thread like this in GS. Vicious anti-India hatred is so prevalent in GS that it is going only to elicit comments of gloating and satisfaction from majority of Guppies.
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lol @ this Lahore character....posting as many old and totally off-topic articles from his arsenal of anti-India bookmarks. i can imagine what your bookmarks list looks like. ;)
what does khalistan and nepal have to do with this thread?
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Lahore bhai. welcome back..