Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
I don't know how these yanks have the nerve to come on here telling us about being tolerant when they illegally invade other nations breaking international laws and go around abusing and torturing people let alone bombing them to death.
One thing everyone on planet earth knows now thanks to the actions of the US terrorist military and its government is that the US is nation run by a bunch of violent bigots and there supporters justify even the killing of innocent people with excuse after excuse.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
No one here is justifying the killing of innocent people, except may be those who are comparing those who got killed with two-bit smugglers, thugs and fanatics.
The real criticism should be for those who are displaying an amazing lack of empathy for those who got killed by security forces, show complete disregard for the sentiments and religious sensitivity displayed by muslims and basically side-track discussions in all different directions as long as they don't have to talk about the conduct of American soldiers in Guantanamo Bay.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
oops your standard of education is showing itself yet again get out that back to basics reading book.
try reading what is posted i am not justifying the killing of anyone i am talking about the violent thugs called the US military and your kkk friend who is lecturing muslims about being tolerant which is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
Ahem, I think a fine point was made earlier about basic fairness. When I see Storchs' hot dog stand next to a bigasses Catholic Church in Riyhad, then talk to me about respect for other religions. But Islamic Republics ban bibles, prevent the spreading of Chrisitanity by law (which is a foundation of faith for many Christian sects), prevent the construction of new churches except on the grounds where old churches stood.
Respect for religions comes in all forms. Islam is guilty of the most heinous religious repressions, your moral high ground on this is a little shaky. The typical commentator in the American press could not say what I have just said, for fear of offending sensibilities. But tolerance of religious practice must be a two way street.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
I must say the page 3 of this post has me totally "perplexed" over the illogical "Incensiveness" of Muslims. Instead of saying ooops we made another bo bo, they are now trying to justify a stupid demonstration that caused a few ppl (someones kids) to die, and over what a suppoesed desecration of holy book.
There is a lesson to be learned here, innocent till proven guilty. In other words keep it in your pants till you are sure you are getting laid.
tsk tsk
Ok Ak47 and others please start posting pictures now of Mighty Americans brutally kill innocent Afghanis. I dont want to iraqis in this post that would be de-railing the thread and subject to edits.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
totally insensitive and you can apply that wholesale across the board, ignorance has shown its ugly head yet again from the right wing brigade but then again are we surprised NO!
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
Ohioguy,
Unless you are making a case that the prison guard in Guantanamo Bay (allegedly) threw a Quran down the toilet flush to protest that christians can’t make a church in Riyadh, I’d rather chalk your post up as a classic example of going off on tangents to avoid talking about the issue at hand.
In my first post here in this thread I had suggested to either wait for the investigations to complete before jumping the gun or atleast show some empathy for the alleged event that took place in Gitmo and resulted in loss of life elsewhere. What I find more disgusting is the defence adopted by some American supporters that rely on decades old muslim smugglers using Quran to smuggle hasheesh, or killing of muslims due to infighting, or that Saudi Arabia does not allow construction of new churches. While some or all of them may be valid discussion topics, their relevance in this discussion only shows the lack of appreciation for the topic at hand, and shows why Americans in general are known to have little or no understanding of world’s cultures and faiths. We generally thought we had a more educated and compassionate American crowd here who can discuss each issue on its merits, instead of going off in all directions to avoid discussing a sensitive topic.
Whats wrong is wrong. What happened in Abu Gharib is wrong. Destruction of Budha statues in Afghanistan was wrong. Flushing down Quran in toilet is wrong. Killing innocent civilians, whether they are in New York, Jerusalem or Jalalabad, is wrong.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
Faisal, you just don’t get it. No one is comparing them to the two-bit smuggler, what is being compared is the street reaction to that instance of desecreation to this one. That is the issue being sidestepped.
There is nothing to talk about regarding the conduct of American soldiers in Guantanamo. If this report is true, to a person, it is condemned across the board and justice should be served. If you want a thread on the investigation of this incident perhaps you should start one.
BTW, there is empathy for the people that were killed during the riots. But it’s for the victims, not the bozos instigating the riot.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
If culprits are caught and punished, there is no mass protests. What people are protesting is the perceived cover-up and lack of admission of guilt. Granted, they should wait for the investigation to complete, but the comparision of this desecreation to an older one is invalid.
I see little or no condemnation (in so many words) here by many of those who are posting in this thread. Rather they are jumping in different directions to pour scorn over people who protested, or saying that they are “perplexed” why flushing down a “book” gives rise to such a heated reaction. And if you don’t see it, then go back and read this thread from the start, once again.
Show me that empathy here. Some guys are almost giddy with amusement at the people who got killed in Jalalabad.
Anyway, Newsweek apologized. Military is investigating. Seeing the reaction in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Gaza, I would expect a cover-up in the investigation, just so more emotions are not stirred. Right or wrong, probably makes sense for US military at this point to put this issue under a carpet.
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No, let's assume that some over zealous interrogator did what he is accused of.
Why did he do it?
9/11.
He did it because Islamic terrorists killed 3000 people, and that interrogator wants to prevent a similar occurance. Now if you want Justice, hand over OBL. Who is sheltering him? Radical Muslims. They have become the enemy. You expect us to carefully parse out who is the enemy, and who is moderate? Screw it. There is a basic dissonace here. Most Muslims believe that the people sitting in Guantanamo are innocent goat herders. Crap. We aren't that stupid, nor that wasteful. I am certain that we have sorted out the hard core threats reasonably well over time. These guys wanted a war, they got a war.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
Seminole, read the post above and detect the empathy for those killed in riots in Jalalabad.
And Ohioguy uncle, your post is a classic example of belligerence that I allueded to earlier. Now blame the flushing of Quran on OBL, 9/11, radical muslims, and pretty much anyone else you don't like. It really is going no where.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
OG,
I would disagree. We are very wasteful. War on Drugs is a good example of putting people in jail for a very long time for smoking a joint. Complete waste of tax payer's money. And furthermore, if all the Gitmo prisoners were guilty, then we wouldn't have sent a large number of them back to Afghanistan or Pakistan. And if they are guilty, let's start the trials. The point is we do make mistakes and will continue to do so.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
Faisal, you are right in the lack of condemnations or sympathy expressed in this thread. I totally reject desacrating the Quran and I hope they get to the bottom of it and hope they don't ever do it. I also feel sympathy for any of the innocents hurt in the Afghan riots. Perhaps that should have been expressed on the first few pages. I guess I didn't because I felt like it was a non-issue. But maybe it isn't.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
I appreciate your comments. And this is exactly what I said right from the beginning, that we should stick to the topic and post comments on the merits of the case and not to mingle it with other grievances through the ages or around the world.
And interestingly, I see a very curious similarity. Americans may detest and reject the actions of the military interrogators in Gitmo, but at the same time, they try to justify and explain the conduct. When Muslims on this forum did the same after 9/11, they were scorned at for even saying “We deplore the event, but we do understand why it happened”. Apparently people don’t want to know if someone even understands the rationale. They just want un-encumbered apology.
Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
Master,
Is the war over? Read the Geneva conventions. If you pick up a "Combatant" on a battlefield, there is no "trial". He is held until the war is over. Infact, the Geneva Conventions say that you should remove him from the battlefield for his own safety. There are legal reasons that this was called the "WAR" on terror. I think we put substantial resources into interrogating these people, probably some very bright people.
Wake me when we sign a peace treaty with the Taliban and OBL. Frankly I think there is probably more propaganda, misinformation and posturing about Guantanamo than it deserves. This is just more of the same attack on it. I'll be damned if we fight these guys with one hand behind our backs. If we had the cooperation of Muslim countries to chase them down, it would be helpful. But we either have to pay them off, or twist their arms to get them to hunt these guys down. THEN, corrupt officials and sympathizers shelter them. So, the war goes on.
Is flushing a Quran the right interrogation tactic? I doubt it. But I am pretty happy that these guys are not in some cushy resort whining for thier lawyers and doing media interviews.
