Re: bo bo for US in Afghanistan: Anti-U.S. Riot Turns Deadly in Afghanistan
Effective in showing the world how symbolism in the Muslim world is more important than actions. OBL killing thousands of innocents, suicide bombers blowing up markets in Iraq, oppression of women in the Arab world, Taliban executing people in soccer stadiums, etc, etc all done in the name of the Quran - and not a peep from anyone. As OG said, a fatwa to kill Americans wherever they are goes unchallenged apparently accepted by the rapid factions in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But the possible destruction of one book and the streets go crazy. We don't care who kills in the name of the Quran, but at least Muhammed hasn't been portrayed in a cartoon!
Burning American flags - some consider that desecration. Oh, but that's not a Holy Book you say. If crazed Afganis can choose what's important to them and worth killing for, why can't a different society? Some Americans feel as proud, attached and protective of their flag as Muslims do with the Quran. I say Americans riot, burn automobiles and shops and shoot at police around the Afghan Embassy in DC because a bunch of Afghans are burning US flags. Kinda ridiculous, isn't it?
Kind of ironic that a country that was imprisoning people just for having a Bible wants to dictate what is done with their book in a different country.
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I am amazed that in this day and age, idiots go haywire like these moron have in Afghanistan and Pakistan etc..over a perceived insult. Siht..go invent something..go and study…put that energy to write laws that empower women. The quran is safe..islam is ok..nothing has happened to it…sheesh.
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This is all about power, who has it, and who wants it. Inflaming the "Arab Street" is easy to do. It makes for nice photo-ops. Whipping the "street" into a frenzy suits somebody's needs.
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What's your fix it solution Zakk?
You think removing the UN and everything will be okay? You think Aid will make it to where it needs to go and not be hijacked by militants? War lords won't start up another civil war?
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Yeah..it was easier being occupied by terrorists who were shooting women in stadiums. Where were the riots in Pakistan. Oh I forget...shooting women in stadiums is god's work.
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UTD..My point was something else..people who aren't under an occupation by an outside nation can't understand the dynamics of people who are..that's why the comments made earlier on are a pathetic sign of what some educated Americans have degenerated into..
As far as the Warlords are concerned..they are busy selling drugs to the West..it's far more profitiable using the ISAF forces as conduits...anyway with the money they have "earned " they will buy soon buy their way into Afghan politics..
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Zakk,
Occupation?
The US has maybe 14k troops there. Half are support or Civil affairs. The Syrians had more than that in tiny Lebanon for 25 years and nobody called that "occupation". And frankly we would be occupying NOTHING if it were not for OBL, and the Taliban sheltering him. This is simply part of the traditional Afghan "Spring Offensive". For the last 30 years the Afghans fight someone in the spring, when the Russians are not there, they fight themselves for a couple of decades. They like to fight.
Now about that fatwa to kill Americans. I consider that a declaration of war, from Islam on the United States. Please show me where ANY Islamic Cleric has recinded or retracted that Fatwa. Newsweek at least issues retractions.
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^ Og the British ruled India with about the same number of British troops..what do you call that..a troop exchange?
A Fatwa is a religious opinion of a single scholar..considering I doubt the scholars in question have lawyers and PR people like Newsweek..(or even Internet access for that matter) I think comparing the two is a bit silly..but I expect nothing else from a discussion which compares whats happening with NBA games...
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Guys, you are again losing focus… For those who are still “perplexed” by the intensity of muslim’s reaction to alleged desecration of Quran, you guys need some courses on Islam 101 along with Common Sense 105. Rather than pointing fingers all over the place, first understand the situation, and critique it on its merit. Don’t blame it on people who get incensed when they hear about these events. If someone has an iota of common sense they will know that these things are most likely to inflame muslims. Read the statement from US Department of State:
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And those who are saying, hey why do these people protest on the streets. Why don't they go an meet with George Bush and calmly resolve all issues. Yes, right! Do you think only folks in Jalalabad protest? No. People protest on the streets whenever they feel they need to make a strong statement. Whether its anti-war protests, political demonstrations, complaints against wages and labor disputes etc. These happen all the time. Those in Seattle would remember the horrible riots that took place there only a few years ago. The civilized LA was ravaged by riots on Rodney King incident. Don't have short memories, and don't blame the messanger. You are all educated. Argue in a reasonable manner.
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^ Good point Faisal. US calls “desecration of any religious texts repugnant”. It is still not a license to go riot in the streets, should desecration happen, or as in this case, can’t be corroborated if it happened.
“Don’t blame it on the people who get incensed..” Are you kidding me? Who else do you blame the riots on if not those who are looting, killing, destroying public and private property? This type of blame displacement is not uncommon in the muslim world, it is actually the raison d’etre. Victim mentality, ill perceived wrongs, paranoia…
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You know what’s silly, Zakk? The rioting and killing over this incident. Clerics calling for a Holy War against the US unless the interrogators in question are handed over. There is a more concern over what happens to one hard copy of a book than the murder, discrimination, hatred, and ignorance commited in the name of this book on a daily basis.
These ordinary illiterate peasants won’t believe a US story unless it suits them and contributes to their conspiracy theories and feeds their hatred such as the original Newsweek report.
Faisal, the perplexity is not because of the “intensity of muslim’s reaction to alleged desecration of Quran”, but how that rates so high on their outrage meter while the things I describe above are all but ignored and accepted as norm.
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Actually, its some of you who are appearing as completely insensitive, even callous, in this situation.. and not the muslims who lost their lives in the protests, where they were fired upon. So if blame-displacement is what we are doing here, lets displace it to the right place.
You can bet your ass that Newsweek didn't pull this story from thin air and published it. Where there is smoke, there is definitely fire. Now they are saying that "our source could not remember if the qurans were actually flushed", but no, we are not retracting the story. Go figure!
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Incensed?
They are frikin’ killing each other.
And don’t tell me that Jalalabad is not a hot bed of support for OBL. Ask THEM if he is a quranic scholar. Despite what you say, rioting about a desecration is a gross over reaction. There is nobody arguing FOR desecration. We all agree. Rioting and killing only makes Islam look like it is controlled by wild eyed fanatics. And you can’t tell me that these “riots” were not carefully organized and inflamed.
So are we to assume that street mobs speak for Islam? I must have missed that in Islam 101, perhaps I was too busy on the “religion of peace” part. If there is one thing that I have learned Islam is NOT, it is “tolerant”, which is sort of a key to civilized behavior eh?
Are you kidding me? Who else do you blame the riots on if not those who are looting, killing, destroying public and private property? This type of blame displacement is not uncommon in the muslim world, it is actually the raison d’etre. Victim mentality, ill perceived wrongs, paranoia…