Just read this comment in one of the threads in this Forum.
i can’t say how disappointed i am. Not to mention utterly revolted. Not all Jews are the same. Not all atheists are the same. Not all Christians are the same. Not all Muslims are the same.
This type of thinking belongs, if it belongs anywhere, in the medieval times. To stereotype and cast an entire group of people - where does it stop?
Jews do not equal Zionists.
Is Noam Chomsky a “bloody” Jew as well ?
i am so disappointed with this type of thinking. In just the same manner as we want the world to recognize that not all Muslims are the same, no Muslim society is the same as another, there is a huge diversity in beliefs and practices within Muslim countries (contrast Indonesia to Afghanistan to Egypt for example), so why stereotype another group of people. Does it get us anywhere productive ?
Today we had this Christian Contractor over to get estimates for some things, and I overheard him insulting Jews, and thought to myself if he said that because he thinks we will agree that insulting them is no big deal. sigh
I am really not doing a good job reading all the threads in the forum, and the proof is that I actually had to do a search to see the context of the person who used the term "bloody jews". And now that I know, its clear that the person, along with a few others, have a clear problem in anger management. May be its a sign of immaturity (which may be cured with time) or may be its a serious case of ignorance, in either case I wouldn't extrapolate such conjecture on their part. There will always be some people who insist on acting like a moron, and its better to check them right there and then.
You are right Nadia. Jews don't equal Zionists..Muslims don't Equal Shariah/Islamic state loonies. Let's concentrate on individuals. "bloody individuals"
sheesh! .. no one has problem with masty calling names to mullah or madhi using galiyan galoch, and when some one said bloody jews and we have a thread opened.
Some people are so idiotic and insecure. They have no understanding of the complexity of human nature and no desire to learn the truth. They would rather embrace hatred and falsehood because it is more familiar to them. I feel bad for them and resent the bad name they give the rest of us.
Sucks for them. Luckily not everyone in this world is so close-minded.
I teach at a Jewish school and feel incredibly welcome and loved. The kids and teachers love to ask questions and share. And what's touching/sad is that they are afraid that Muslims have been raised to hate them. And that we perceive of them badly. But they also know the power of the media and are learning to discern truth from paranoia.
Jews are indeed not all zionists but the zionists are the small population of jews in leadership.
Many jews are against zionists even rabbis who believe zionists are against the Torah. The history of Zionism contradicts the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.
So jews should not be blamed for the state of israel or the affairs in Palestine as many are anti-zionists.
i DO have problems with that. i have opened a thread in the Religion Forum in the past in which i defended Imams and Mullahs. i forget what the precise title of the thread is, but it would definitely be accessible via the search option.
i can't open a thread about every single group i feel is being discriminated against. i do feel that it is the duty of Muslims to speak out wherever they feel injustice is being committed - whether it is against ourselves or against others. The type of moronic comments that have been passed against Mullahs and Imams - i don't condone in the slightest. i also don't want to waste my time responding to those extremely childish and ludicrous comments; i have done it in the past and am in mood to waste my time further with individuals like those.
Muslims in particular, all too often the victims of stereotypes themselves in this century, should be at the very forefront in defending other groups when they are stereotyped against. i think it no less than our religious duty.
Nadia, I don’t think Suroor is picking on you specifically.
She’s just making the point that members of other faiths often come on GS, make all kinds of blatantly racist and anti-Islamic comments under the guise of “humour” and generally don’t get condemned for their asinine remarks. But as soon as a Muslim says something offensive we (Muslim/Pak posters) make sure that the person gets it. not that this is a bad thing, it means that we hold ourselves to higher standards but you know there is a limit to such selfrighteousness especially for ordinary mortals such as myself. it would be nice if people who make their presence felt in all such threads where we strive to be as politically correct with respect to other countries and faiths would show up in other threads where Islam or Pakistan is being insulted and say a word or two.
btw, I don’t condone the sentiments of the person who wrote what you’re protesting. learning a bit of tolerance would help this person a lot. people like this person give all Muslims a bad name and make sure that the offended party targets Islam for abuse because Islam’s ambassadors don’t know how to represent their faith.
Sambrialian and Suroor Both of you are right. i understand your positions
sigh Personally speaking… i just feel that i have to hold myself up to a higher standard. If i don’t, i have no right to complain if someone stereotypes against Muslims. In my personal life, amongst my nonMuslim friends and acquaintances, i almost always try to speak up for Islam and Muslims; this sounds untrue, but i don’t know how else to say it. It’s a fact. Believe me, it has gotten me into trouble in the past. i am always being told by certain family members i should temper my public comments in uni. That’s why it’s all the more frustrating when i read something that a fellow Muslim has stated. If we (Muslims) refuse to show basic respect towards others, then how can i demand that nonMuslims show respect towards my faith. That makes me a hypocrite, i think…
sigh i understand both ‘sides’ of the argument; i don’t want to be painted as someone who defends nonMuslims but not Muslims. It does not have to be one or the other (reminds me of Bush’s you are with us or against us). i guess i just felt really frustrated when i read someone (a Muslim, to boot) stating what in essence is basically an endorsement of ethnic cleansing.
It has a lot to do with being a minority versus a majority in a situation. Because the majority is usually stronger, you stand up for the minorities (or people who are not represented at all).
Also, defending yourself is so subjective, that someone who is criticizing you isn't going to convinced just because you say, "hey! that's not true."
On the other hand, it is much easier to speak objectively about others.
Burp Look how great we are…isn;t this what this whole thing is all about? Give it a rest children…for you, ill perceived anti-muslim , anti-islamic comments are the bane..for others anti-sharia, anti-fundo,for some it is anti-american, anti-west diatribes. The difference is you guys shamelessly promote your illogical sense of superiority, “hey islam doesn;t teach us to say bad things about others”..it would be better if you did a little research and posted “hey christianity doesn;t promote any hatred towards others…wait a minute no other religion does” Now that would be something…that is true humility, perhaps the greatest virtue of islam.
that is unfair Saddzz...I stand up for the jews. I also stand up for dentists and people following islamic finance as their investment model. All three of these poor species need all the help we can give.
See, my issue is around the absolutist statements regarding religion...any religion, if tomorrow someone woman comes to me and says that Hinduism is the only way to GOD, I will beat her lightly...see, what I am saying.
Nadia, I didn't mean to pick on you. I totally know where you're coming from and I respect that. I'm simply not as big a person as you are. :-)
I don't post sarcastic BS about other people's religion because I know I wouldn't be able to handle it if it came my way. at the same time, I don't expect insults to be posted about my religion either no matter how subtly or "cleverly" it is put. I posted as much some time ago but unfortunately people don't seem to get the message. it's simple - don't dish out what you can't handle when it comes back to you.
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It has a lot to do with being a minority versus a majority in a situation. Because the majority is usually stronger, you stand up for the minorities (or people who are not represented at all).
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for some maybe what you say is the case. for the majority/rest, it is just a case of fitting into a nice little clique.
I would believe you if I saw the same people, who jump out of their seats defending the so-called "minority", do something more than post a couple of words that mean nothing when Islam/Pak is insulted. Islam teaches you to be tolerant and prohibits arrogance but it also asks you to have self-respect and to defend yourself.
^ sorry matty.. i was just trying to stick up for Nadia there.. didnt realise i insulted every other guppie in the process.. woops
i get what ur saying.. i personally think no one has the right to go around preachnig their religion is teh best. IF you have faith.. then good for u, and if someone else doesnt, dont try to impose urs on them
for some maybe what you say is the case. for the majority/rest, it is just a case of fitting into a nice little clique.
I would believe you if I saw the same people, who jump out of their seats defending the so-called "minority", do something more than post a couple of words that mean nothing when Islam/Pak is insulted. Islam teaches you to be tolerant and prohibits arrogance but it also asks you to have self-respect and to defend yourself.
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Samb, yeah I see what you mean. I don't know what you mean about the clique stuff. Also I'm not sure that I get your last sentence.
A lot of times I might ignore what someone has to say about Islam if all of the following are true:
1) I know it's not true
2) I have argued with her/him before and s/he is not open to hearing other views.
3) Others are not learning hatred of Islam from it.
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Samb, yeah I see what you mean. I don't know what you mean about the clique stuff. Also I'm not sure that I get your last sentence.
A lot of times I might ignore what someone has to say about Islam if all of the following are true:
1) I know it's not true
2) I have argued with her/him before and s/he is not open to hearing other views.
3) Others are not learning hatred of Islam from it.
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the clique stuff you will understand the longer you stay here. :-) the last sentence I thought tied in with the rest of the post. anyway... forget it.
I quite like your algorithm there. I wish I was as forgiving and big-hearted as you. :)
Personally speaking… i just feel that i have to hold myself up to a higher standard. If i don’t, i have no right to complain if someone stereotypes against Muslims. In my personal life, amongst my nonMuslim friends and acquaintances, i almost always try to speak up for Islam and Muslims; this sounds untrue, but i don’t know how else to say it. It’s a fact. Believe me, it has gotten me into trouble in the past. i am always being told by certain family members i should temper my public comments in uni. That’s why it’s all the more frustrating when i read something that a fellow Muslim has stated. If we (Muslims) refuse to show basic respect towards others, then how can i demand that nonMuslims show respect towards my faith. That makes me a hypocrite, i think…
