Blending banking and Islam

“Islamic banking” is pretty well established in the UK. In the US, i think it just started to take off a few years ago, but in Canada - i don’t think we have anything like this yet.

Blending banking and Islam, Tammy Chase, 2 September 2003, Chicago Sun-Times

Salim Shelia, who rents a two-bedroom apartment in Rogers Parkfor himself, his wife and three of his children, wanted to own a bigger place to live. Yet his religion forbids him from taking advantage of recent record low interest rates, because the Koran prohibits Muslims from paying or collecting interest.

But Shelia, 47, an Indian, recently closed on the purchase of two condominiums in the same building in which he rents, and he plans to convert them into a five-bedroom duplex. He financed the purchase through a new form of lending developed by Devon Bank, which allows devout Islamic people to finance home purchases without paying a penny in interest, while still allowing the bank to earn a profit on the loan.

At a time where Muslim and Jewish relations are deeply strained around the world, the Rogers Park bank, owned by the Loundy family, a Jewish family prominent on the North Side, has found a way to help the orthodox Islamic population buy homes.

Devon Bank officers have long worked with what they call “casual” Muslims, who use western, traditional forms of financing for businesses and homes. But Muslims who strictly adhere to Islamic doctrine would either have to save enough cash to buy a home or borrow from relatives and friends.

Devon Bank, 6445 N. Western Ave., began offering the financing this summer. It is one of a handful of institutions across the country catering to Muslims, and one of the few–and maybe only–Chicago-based banks to do so. Banks foresee growing demand for such financing products, given an estimated Muslim population of as much as 7 million in the United States.

“Banks are starting to pick up on it,” said Tracy Mills, a spokeswoman for the American Bankers Association. She said California-based Wells Fargo Bank and a few out-of-state finance companies, such as American Finance House-Lariba, are among the few financial institutions offering the special financing.

Devon Bank has quietly catered to minority groups through its 58-year history, employing tellers and bankers who speak 30 languages. In the last several months, Nazir Gurukambal, an assistant vice president, had been getting calls from people asking the bank to make financing a possibility for devout Muslims.

Collecting extra money is not religiously acceptable, Gurukambal said. “Somebody making money, lending, taking advantage of somebody’s need–it’s not acceptable.”

Bank officials met with Islamic community leaders and tapped their own lenders and lawyers, including David Loundy, the bank’s attorney and son of bank chairman Richard Loundy. They had to make sure the loans would be sound and pass the scrutiny of bank regulators, a tough crowd.

They developed two types of financing: Murabaha, an Arab word for installment, and Ijara, which is Arabic for lease.

*Murabaha: In this type of transaction, the buyer finds the home he wants and the bank agrees to buy it. The bank then sells the home to the buyer for a fixed price that includes the price of the property plus a profit. Instead of paying principal and interest, as most homeowners do, the buyer pays principal that has the profit already built into it.

*Ijara, pronounced E-jar-ah: Ijara is similar to a rent-to-own transaction. The bank buys the house that its customer wants, and the resident makes monthly payments to the bank until he owns the home.

Devon is also working on a third type of transaction, though it’s not yet offering it: Musharakah. The bank and the customer jointly buy a price of property, and the customer over time buys out the bank’s stake. The percentage of ownership changes with each payment.

Sometimes, transactions like murabaha can be more expensive than a traditional loan, said Dan Thompson, senior business manager of community lending for Fannie Mae. He explains: If a person buys a $100,000 house and puts down $20,000, he needs a loan for $80,000.

Under the murabaha technique, the bank figures out the interest charge over the life of the loan, and builds that into the loan amount. So, the person needing $80,000 would actually borrow $170,000 at zero percent interest, which could lead to higher recording fees and transfer tax, Thompson said. Devon for now is keeping its Islamic mortgages on its books, though it has been in talks to sell them to Fannie Mae, a standard banking practice.

Under current federal tax laws, Muslims who use murabaha and ijara financing can still deduct the equivalent of what they would have paid in interest from their federal income taxes, he said.

Devon Bank recently began to offer similar styles of financing for businesses and equipment purchasing, and it has fielded out-of-state inquiries about Koran-compatible mortgage financing programs.

Devon Bank’s David Loundy says the bank is now working on financing for car purchases.

Shelia, who makes sweets at his brother Mohammed Shelia’s Rogers Park bakery, Tahoora, has found a way to purchase newer vehicles on his own without violating his beliefs.

“Zero-percent financing” from dealers, he says, with a grin.

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Under the murabaha technique, the bank figures out the interest charge over the life of the loan, and builds that into the loan amount. So, the person needing $80,000 would actually borrow $170,000 at zero percent interest
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Seriously, other than the nice arabic names, what is different here compared to traditional mortgages? Who owns the house? Bank. Can the house be foreclosed? Yes. Are you paying anything extra over the price of the house? Yes. Is there any risk for the bank? No.

I mean, who are we kidding? Muslims may feel they are avoiding interest, and thus are earning good deeds, but the jewish bank is making the killing here. Its tapping into the ill-defined religious skepticism of muslims and getting wonderful profits by luring people into thinking they are adhering to strict Islamic rules. Not only this bank. There are plenty of similar banking products all over middle east and Pakistan. Change the name from "interest" to "mark-up" and all is jaiz. Yes right! That is what Gen. Zia did too in early 80's in Pakistan.

Islamic financial system is supposed to be based on zero-inflation, distance-based trading model, with stable currency (e.g. precious metals) and no time-based interest. Trying to come up with fancy arabic names to justify transactions which are based in a inflationary/deflationary economy with time-based financial products and an unstable currency used in global transactions is just messing with words, not the intent.

Free 12 pack of Mecca-cola to everyone applying for a loan.

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Faisal Bhai, :confused: Just out of curiosity (not that i am disputing you) - but strictly for my own personal curiosity, which countries in the Middle East?

There are banks based in Oman, Qatar and Bahrain who offer similar products. Faysal Islamic Bank and Bank of Oman (now known as Meshreq Bank) also offered the same products. There were several other banks, with branches in Pakistan and UAE who were also offering Murabaha, Musharakah and Ijarah products. Not sure if any bank in Saudi Arabia is also offering these. Although at that time, their target customers were businesses and not individuals.

Before I left, a couple of Pakistani banks were also about to offer these three products, especially after the Supreme Court ruling came out. One of them was even about to offer car financing with some Arabic name.

^ ah, okay. That’s all i was interested in to learn, you answered my question directly. Thanks, Faisal Bhai :flower1:

Bahrain is a major centre for Islamic banking... there are broadly two flavours of Islamic banking. One is focused on scholars based in Bahrain and the other is focused on scholars based in Kuala Lumpar.

They differ on theological issues of what constitutes halaal and haraam elements of banking.

I am no banker so I can’t comment on some parts of interest free banking, but I did attend an interesting seminar here in the UK on the issue. And if I remember right, several speakers said the most successful model of interest free banking was actually based in Canada?
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HSBC has just launched their interest free housing finance loans, personally I think they should market them simply as interest free loans and not as Islamic interest free credit only.

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they should market them simply as interest free loans

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Honestly, in current economic world (within which all these systems exist) there is no such thing as "interest free". They just change the name. Add the amount of interest into principle and call it by an Arabic name. *Voila!
:)

Don’t the Chinese (the ones outside of China) have similar banking styles? I dunno.

Anyway.. came across a blog talking about this article. I don’t agree with the historical analogy, but it’s one (odd) perspective:

Shouldn't the religion be updated to work in current times? Now that most countries have laws protecting the naive with interest caps, why should Islam still stick to an unnecessary edict that is only making middle class muslims sinners?

What do you guys think of the Modaraba system?

Let's say I need tractors for my farm. The tractors cost me 100,000 something...I would go to the Modaraba and tell them that I need tractors and they are costing me 100,000 something.

The Modaraba will tell me, OK, we will buy the tractors for you, but we will sell it to you for 120,000 for 5 years, 130,000 for 6, 140,000 for 7 and so on...

But, the amount that I will have to pay will neither decrease nor increase...

I am not sure about the penalties though as I didn't look into it in detail...

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*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *
Shouldn't the religion be updated to work in current times? Now that most countries have laws protecting the naive with interest caps, why should Islam still stick to an unnecessary edict that is only making middle class muslims sinners?
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The bridge is not the only way to cross the river...There are other ways to cross it without getting one's feet wet...:)

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
What do you guys think of the Modaraba system?

Let's say I need tractors for my farm. The tractors cost me 100,000 something...I would go to the Modaraba and tell them that I need tractors and they are costing me 100,000 something.

The Modaraba will tell me, OK, we will buy the tractors for you, but we will sell it to you for 120,000 for 5 years, 130,000 for 6, 140,000 for 7 and so on...

But, the amount that I will have to pay will neither decrease nor increase...

I am not sure about the penalties though as I didn't look into it in detail...
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in that case take a fixed interest rate loan for the tractor. as ;long as it is fixed and you know and understand it there is no loop hole for the lender to rip you off in the middle of term.

my impression is that muslims are acting like children in this issue..as long as you call the "cost of money" something islamic sounding..something other than "interest", they feel good about it.

^^

Allah :swt: said in the Holy Quran,

My friend, it clearly states that if you deal in usury, you better have some pretty good weapons…You’ll be going to war with the Almighty…:hehe:

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *The Modaraba will tell me, OK, we will buy the tractors for you, but we will sell it to you for 120,000 for 5 years, 130,000 for 6, 140,000 for 7 and so on...
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There is nothing in Islam against buying at item from one party and selling it to another at a higher price - the system on which all trade works.

This is exactly what happens inthe system that you described - the one exception being that you are paying for your purchase in installments, with ownership only being transferred to you once you have paid the beforehand agreed price.

A duck wearing nike's is still a duck with webbed feet. Call it what you want..it is still driven by interest. It is an idiotic practice to shy away from certain products because some mullah long time ago deemed them againt the religion but by giving it a different name, fixed-rate interest transadctions are ok.

Do muslims dabble in interest rate arbitrage fixed or otherwise? Maybe some of the more learned and finance mavens can enlighten me rahter than pointing out which country is arabic or not.

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*Originally posted by ChannMahi: *

my impression is that muslims are acting like children in this issue..as long as you call the "cost of money" something islamic sounding..something other than "interest", they feel good about it.
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That's always been my impression as well. You can call it profit or interest but at the end of the day it all boils down to the same thing.

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That's always been my impression as well. You can call it profit or interest but at the end of the day it all boils down to the same thing.
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The result may be virtually identical, but it is the means through which it is achieved that makes all of the difference.

Why is this in religion anyway? Shouldn't it be discussed in the Eco forum. That way we can get away from dogma and more into the intriacies of the system.