blasphemy laws need to be revoked

[superman85]

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@Afat

starting with TNT

TNT = ?

[Afat]

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.. TNT ... two nation theory ... pray tell me ...
a nation can follow many religions ...example .. there are German Chritistans, German Muslims , German Jews... etc .etc.etc.....

and a religion can be followed by many Nations ..... for example .... Japanese Chritistians , no matter how less , Russian Christians, British Christians,Italian christian ... many nations following one religion ....

[muqawwee123]

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I do agree that you won’t find such people in Pakistan or at least no one would dare to pass such comments in Pakistan. I was just talking of the action vs reaction part.

This is a short history of blasphemy laws in Pakistan

Blasphemy Laws | PAKISTAN BLASPHEMY LAWS

You will note that it was part penal code 1860 ( introduced by British government of India). The later amendments during Zia’s period which include (blasphemy against the Prophet) were enacted and got support during the times when people like Rushdie split venom that also made it difficult for governments after Zia to amend the law for exclusion of certain misused clauses. My point is if we are ready to condemn likes of Zia and his mulla brigade for enacting such laws which can easily be used against innocent people, then we should also put some blame on liberal west who always supported likes of Rushdie and Tasleema to create further support for these laws.

[kchughtai]

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^ The Rushdie's book was published in 1988-89 whereas blasphemy law was amended to add 295-B in 1982 and to add 295-C in 1986 as per the article you quoted. so there is no connection with these laws with Rushdie issue. The amendments I think were to give a weapon in the hands of religious bigots who always wanted control.

[bella88]

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@muqawwee123

No, they deserve to be given utmost respect that they used their confiscated right of expressing high quality views and they really deserve titles like Sir, etc

Dont call him Sir. you can consider him neech and ghatiya. But no one has the right to harm him. he had death threats and fatwa issued against his life which was completely inhumane. you cannot kill a person because they 'insult' your belief.

[Monk]

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I think its about time as a nation we learned to throw gandy-endy aur timater on such people rather then harming them.

[bella88]

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@muqawwee123

Tolerant west doesn't know difference between expressing / having an opinion and throwing mud on people that are respectable to billions of people. In this process, west forget all it self created concepts like Hate speech and respect for majority's opinion.

Plenty of times muslims also throw 'mud' on christianity when they claim Jesus is not God or Son of God. you realize thats very insulting to Christians? should they punish you for such blasphemy and insult to their God? people like Zakir Naik constantly throw mud on other peoples faith and mock their belief. how many death threats did he get?

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Have you ever gone through the garbage from likes of Rushdie and Tasleema? That garbage got a reaction. Justified or unjustified that is being tackled through laws like blasphemy and unfortunately its being used against the poor people. Till the time, people stop taking sides and showing absolute support in the name of freedom of expression, black laws like blasphemy will also be enforced and misused.
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religious people need to show some tolerance here. if something is offending you, ignore it or write a book about why Rushdie is wrong and false. why always jump to violence and silencing the critics? as much as you hate it, there are people with differing views and everyone has the right to express what they think and feel.

[Monk]

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@bella88

Plenty of times muslims also throw 'mud' on christianity when they claim Jesus is not God or Son of God. you realize thats very insulting to Christians? should they punish you for such blasphemy and insult to their God? people like Zakir Naik constantly throw mud on other peoples faith and mock their belief. how many death threats did he get?

I read bible not once Jesus(pbuh) claimed to be God.
On the contrary he kept Gentiles about Father in the haven and keeping the commandments.

Please tell me how is this an insult if I mention Jesus(pobuh) never claimed to be a God?

I am yet to find a muslim who joke about him, I have heard many christians telling jokes about him, It makes me very uncomfortable.

[Doppleganger]

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@bao_bihari

I think it is related to disrespect of Prophets and Sahabah. Even in our beloved prophets time disrespect was not tolerated. The problem is not with the law but with implementation, like misuse of any other law this law is misused , once government decides to take strict action against misusers situation will improve.

If ther eis no law then people will take matters in their own hand, it is better to have a strict law and apply it with justice. those who take law in their hand should be given due punishments, ALLAH knows only who has done what for ALLAH or for some personal reason.

That is not always true considering the fact that the prophet stopped sahabis from killing disrespecters like that beduoin who said that you are not a good muslim to jew who had lend money to the prophet and came to masjid nabwi, grabbed him by his collar and pretty much said that are you good for the money? (if you will pay me back) .

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@muqawwee123

Tolerant west doesn't know difference between expressing / having an opinion and throwing mud on people that are respectable to billions of people. In this process, west forget all it self created concepts like Hate speech and respect for majority's opinion.

Unpopular speech needs protection & not the popular speech. And, as long as someones speech does no harm (eg., shouting fire in a crowded theater) there is no need for prosecuting someone for having ideas different than yours no matter how bad the speech is.

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Have you ever gone through the garbage from likes of Rushdie and Tasleema?
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No I haven't. And the reason is when I get offended I move on. If I don't like what is on tv I change the channel & not call for murder of channel operator. If I don't like what someone is writing I ignore it and it and move in my life & that is what religious people should do to.

[bao_bihari]

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@bao_bihari

I will wait to hear the complete story before making any judgement. Even from the journalist point of view, journalist should not be taking sides but should only report both sides stances on the issue, here only one side stance is given.

At the face value if this is as it is reported then indeed it is some thing sad due to poor knowledge of religion, killing some one innocent(in report there is no blashphamous event ) should not be allowed and i think some one doing this is booking a place in jahanum.

@Doppleganger

That is not always true considering the fact that the prophet stopped sahabis from killing disrespecters like that beduoin who said that you are not a good muslim to jew who had lend money to the prophet and came to masjid nabwi, grabbed him by his collar and pretty much said that are you good for the money? (if you will pay me back) .

I think it was becuase he being baduin was just like this, when it came to personal disputes he had no ethics related to how to talk with our beloved:saw2:, there was also some baddu who urinated in masjid and our beloved:saw2: did not punished him as he knew nothing. It was no disrespect due to the message of islam.Prophet ordered killing of those people who were not engaging in discussion rather just mocking the deen.

[muqawwee123]

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@kchughtai

^ The Rushdie's book was published in 1988-89 whereas blasphemy law was amended to add 295-B in 1982 and to add 295-C in 1986 as per the article you quoted. so there is no connection with these laws with Rushdie issue. The amendments I think were to give a weapon in the hands of religious bigots who always wanted control.

Was Rushdie the first ganda anda? May be the first over publicised ganda anda. But this lead to a point where people felt more need of laws like Blasphemy.

[muqawwee123]

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@bella88

Dont call him Sir. you can consider him neech and ghatiya. But no one has the right to harm him. he had death threats and fatwa issued against his life which was completely inhumane. you cannot kill a person because they 'insult' your belief.

@bella88

Plenty of times muslims also throw 'mud' on christianity when they claim Jesus is not God or Son of God. you realize thats very insulting to Christians? should they punish you for such blasphemy and insult to their God? people like Zakir Naik constantly throw mud on other peoples faith and mock their belief. how many death threats did he get?

religious people need to show some tolerance here. if something is offending you, ignore it or write a book about why Rushdie is wrong and false. why always jump to violence and silencing the critics? as much as you hate it, there are people with differing views and everyone has the right to express what they think and feel.

@Shamraz_Khan

Unpopular speech needs protection & not the popular speech. And, as long as someones speech does no harm (eg., shouting fire in a crowded theater) there is no need for prosecuting someone for having ideas different than yours no matter how bad the speech is.

No I haven't. And the reason is when I get offended I move on. If I don't like what is on tv I change the channel & not call for murder of channel operator. If I don't like what someone is writing I ignore it and it and move in my life & that is what religious people should do to.

I think here we are expecting too much from our society in the name of tolerance. How come a society, where 'Maa behn ki gali' is good excuse to kill someone can show tolerance for badmouthing of holy personalities?

I do agree that better option to tackle likes of Rushdie to come up with a well researched book to counter the garbage, but at the same time we should also acknowledge that west failed to tackle the matter properly by giving refuge and respect to such retards.

[muslimdaughter]

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good post

[chacha_Ghalib]

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@ muqawee

What do you suggest the west should've done in the Rushdie case? Are you in favour of blasphemy laws? If so, what do you think the proper punishment ought to be?

Can we get a straight answer please. Your false equivalence between the over-tolerant west and religious nutjobs is becoming quite tiring.

[bella88]

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@muqawwee123

I think here we are expecting too much from our society in the name of tolerance. How come a society, where 'Maa behn ki gali' is good excuse to kill someone can show tolerance for badmouthing of holy personalities?

Because holy personality to you, is not a holy personality to another person. someone you find holy may have flaws which others can criticize.

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I do agree that better option to tackle likes of Rushdie to come up with a well researched book to counter the garbage, but at the same time we should also acknowledge that west failed to tackle the matter properly by giving refuge and respect to such retards.
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what do you expect the west to do? hand him over the muslim countries so he can be executed? he had death threats and fatwas against him. is that what he deserved? why do muslims always jump to violence? makes no sense. if anything, that made him MORE popular.

[muqawwee123]

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@bella88

Because holy personality to you, is not a holy personality to another person. someone you find holy may have flaws which others can criticize.

Whether you like it or not , a society which is sensitive for Maa baap ki gaali will not tolerate this theory. Not in near future. Needs centuries of brainwashing

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what do you expect the west to do? hand him over the muslim countries so he can be executed? he had death threats and fatwas against him. is that what he deserved? why do muslims always jump to violence? makes no sense. if anything, that made him MORE popular.

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if he was just given refuge and not have been awarded with Sir's award that would show a neutral perspective to some extent. Khair, west ka kaam hi ghundon, criminals ko refuge dena hai. Example: Altaf Hussain

[muqawwee123]

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@chacha_Ghalib

@ muqawee

What do you suggest the west should've done in the Rushdie case? Are you in favour of blasphemy laws? If so, what do you think the proper punishment ought to be?

Can we get a straight answer please. Your false equivalence between the over-tolerant west and religious nutjobs is becoming quite tiring.

I'm neither in favour of blasphemy laws nor in favor of freedom of expression which got no limits. Don't you think that when people like Rushdie got glamourised, it does affect overall perception of west in Muslim world?

[bella88]

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@muqawwee123

Whether you like it or not , a society which is sensitive for Maa baap ki gaali will not tolerate this theory. Not in near future. Needs centuries of brainwashing

i feel we need to become more tolerant. God/holy figures cannot be damaged by a guy writing a book.

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if he was just given refuge and not have been awarded with Sir's award that would show a neutral perspective to some extent. Khair, west ka kaam hi ghundon, criminals ko refuge dena hai. Example: Altaf Hussain
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I am not sure why he was given the title, maybe because of his literary work. i have not read his work to know if he deserved an award for that or not, but i know that refuge for him was necessary as he would have been killed in any muslim country.
Do you think he should have been killed for writing a book? i can see why his books would be banned in muslim countries and thats justified to some extent but not killing him. that just inhumane and barbaric to kill someone for his views, just like scientists and philosophers were killed by the Church back in the day.

[muqawwee123]

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@bella88

i feel we need to become more tolerant. God/holy figures cannot be damaged by a guy writing a book.

I am not sure why he was given the title, maybe because of his literary work. i have not read his work to know if he deserved an award for that or not, but i know that refuge for him was necessary as he would have been killed in any muslim country. Do you think he should have been killed for writing a book? i can see why his books would be banned in muslim countries and thats justified to some extent but not killing him. that just inhumane and barbaric to kill someone for his views, just like scientists and philosophers were killed by the Church back in the day.

We can agree on this, but not the Muslim majority whose feelings are sensitive in these matters.