Blasphemy - Christian couple killed and burnt

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As I said and have to keep saying...I never said it was a solution for Pakistan...but let's face it...I won't be the first one to say this.

And is Pakistan an ideal place for minorities? What is so different about us? Jab ek qaum nahin ho to phir ek jaisi harkatein kyun? Explain how Pakistan is better for minorities and please keep the thread title in mind.

I also have family in India...so no...I am not blind to either side of things. I can compare and see the differences between both sides easily without having a green and white blindfold on.

I am surprised at how Islam ONLY comes in to play for Pakistanis jab unki ana ka masla hota hai.

Varna every society ill is rampant in Pakistan...from prostitution to gambling to selling children...lekin the ONLY time people remember our Prophet PBUH is when they think they're being insulted.

Amazing.

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So finally JI came in front to condemn the murders.. still selective though. I’m sure he took his sweet time in consulting before taking this stand:

Mob violence: Christian couple

Mob violence: Christian couple’s murders an attack on Pakistan: Siraj

By Our Correspondent
Published: November 11, 2014

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“The government should take steps to ensure that such incidents do not happen again,” he said. PHOTO: ONLINE

****LAHORE: The murders of a Christian couple are an attack on Pakistan. No one can be allowed to take the law in their own hands, Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) ameer Sirajul Haq said on Monday.
He was addressing the lawyers’ community at Aiwan-i-Adl to seek their support for his Tehreek-i-Pakistan movement, scheduled to be launched in the coming weeks. “The Kot Radha Kishan murders have tarnished the image of Muslims. The incident has strengthened the hands of conspirators against the country,” Haq said.
“No one has the right to take the law in their own hands. Such acts cannot be tolerated in a civilised society,” he said.
He said Pakistan faced huge problems. “There is no rule of law in the country. Rather, we live at the mercy of our rulers. Pakistan cannot flourish until this situation is changed,” he said. “The common man cannot even get an FIR registered. Several people were killed and scores injured in Lahore, but no case was registered for weeks. People had to stage a sit-in at Islamabad to get the case registered,” he said.
Haq said that people were afraid that another martial law was going to be imposed in the country due to the unrest in Islamabad. “However, many political parties, including the JI, are trying to stop that through dialogue,” he said. Haq praised Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan’s latest offer to the government and his expression of confidence in the judiciary. He said that the education system should be the same for the rich and the poor. “The VIP culture should be eliminated if we really want to bring about a positive change in society,” he said.
He said that the JI wanted a prosperous Pakistan where the poor could get justice and everyone felt secure.
LBA president Chaudhry Ishtiaq praised Haq for his efforts in trying to resolve the political crises in the country.
Earlier, Sirajul Haq had visited the house of the murdered couple in Kot Radha Kishan and met their family members. Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Punjab deputy secretary Abid Hussain Siddiqui said on Monday that those behind the Kot Radha Kishan killings should be brought to justice.
Talking to reporters, he said that the murders of the Christian couple must be condemned. “The government should take steps to ensure that such incidents do not happen again,” he said.
Published in The Express Tribune, November 11[SUP]th[/SUP], 2014.

ملأ پر کبھی مفت کی مرغی حرام نہیں ہوئی تو جماعت اسلامی پر بہتی گنگا میں اشنان کیسے حرام ہو سکتا ہے.
ﷲ دے تے بندہ لے

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I might be off topic but I was wondering if we still have people who believe the West needed Malala to malign and shame Pakistan?

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Pakistani schools’ federation observes anti-Malala day – The Express Tribune

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**more details on this horrific incidence..so sad. Really really doubt even if one person will be hanged especially that imam who incited people. Our showbaz PM is of no use in following up except making sure that he has a cameraman right next to him when he visits these sites …

plus our media sucks…how-come it never keeps these issues in limelight at least for few months to keep govt under pressure? **i mean just do some programs every few weeks to map the progress on these cases…

Kot Radha Kishan: ‘There was nothing left to bury’ - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

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           The wooden slippers that  bonded labourers wear while working lie near the spot where Shahzad and  Shama Masih were burnt alive in Rosa Tibba village, Kot Radha  Kishan.—Photo by writer




                           Six days have passed since the murder of Sajjad, also  known as Shahzad, and Shama Masih, but the Rosa Tibba village of Kot  Radha Kishan in Kasur has not yet recovered.

There is a marketplace at the main Pattoki-Chunian Road leading to the village. A week ago, it was thriving. Today, the shops are closed. Not even a stray dog wanders by.
The village has a few tiny, single-room houses, though there are some larger houses too. The village has a large Muslim population and a couple of mosques are visible from the main road.
Read| Christian couple beaten to death for ‘desecrating Quran’: police
A mix of landowners and farmers live here, lifestyles marked by the size of their houses. Hundreds of bricks, some red, some grey, strewn about the village, some in organised piles, others appearing carelessly dumped. Deeper in, tall, blackened chimneys rise from raised platforms: the brick kilns.
A sharp turn to the left and another chimney can be seen. This one is not coughing out thick black smoke; it stands silent, a memorial of doom.
Not a soul can be seen anywhere in Chak 59. The kiln dominates the area; opposite, in a kind of morbid reverence, are the tiny homes of its bonded workers. These too, like the kiln itself, are made of simple red clay bricks. But now these homes are empty. Somewhere inside the colony a small cross modestly marks a church. It, too, has been abandoned.
Chak 59 has become a ghost town. The doors of these houses are not bolted. The families have taken away most of their belongings, but some things have been left behind — blackened pots and pans, a child’s toy.

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Shama and Sajjad’s door is the only one locked but there is a separate entrance from their neighbour’s house, who was Sajjad’s brother Iqbal, married to Shama’s sister Yasmeen. Sajjad’s blue steel door is marked with a tiny white cross made out of two strips of electric tape.
The remnants of their life are strewn all over. Their clothes are dumped on the bed, cupboards have been ransacked.
Also read: A chilling episode of mob violence
Crumpled papers and a splintered mirror are lying on the floor. There are no windows and even during daylight there is darkness inside the room. There is a single bare bulb for illumination. In the only other room the children’s bicycles are stacked on top of each other.
Shama was cooking when she was dragged outside. The spinach is still in the pot, moulding. Insects are buzzing around it, but the food still seems to be waiting to be doled out.
The brick kiln has been sealed, its owner Yousaf Gujjar arrested, and the fires underneath killed. But smoke and heat continue to curl up from the tiny mounds on top of the kiln, vents for excess underground heat. The chimney has been scribbled with tributes to Shama and Sajjad. “Shama, there will be a revolution with your blood,” says one. “A salute to your martyrdom,” says another.
Also read: 50 villagers held over burning of Christian couple to death
The hard, uncomfortable wooden slippers that the bonded labourers wear while working lie scattered near the spot where the couple were burnt alive.
There are pits in the kiln which go as deep as eight or nine feet. Tunnels run inside these blazing holes. A brick kiln worker explains that there is a wall deeper inside the tunnels, behind which the fire burns.
But Shama and Sajjad were not pushed into the holes.
“They were dragged to the hottest part of the fire, and when the lid was removed, blue flame leapt out,” says Samuel Payara, director of Disaster Management and Human Rights in the Voice of Christians International. “Then they were pushed into that flame.”
Suddenly, the heat here is unbearable.
Samuel stares at the ground, squatting. He runs a finger through the red sand and points out the splinters of bones still lying here. “There was nothing left to bury,” he says. “Except for some burnt pieces, everything had just turned to black ash.”
The only five Christian families working at the kiln, including the victims’ relatives, fled at once to nearby Clarkabad — the first Christian village in Punjab, and now famous for producing paramedical staff.
While eyewitnesses say that the police were overwhelmed by so many people, Nabeela Ghazanfar, spokesperson for the Punjab police, says that the police acted speedily in arresting the main perpetrators, including the accountant and the owner of the kiln. “Six hundred people were booked for the case and 52 have been arrested,” she says. “The case is progressing quite fast and in a couple of days more facts are expected to surface. It is condemnable how the imam of the mosque took the law in his own hands and incited a mob.”
Some say Shama had had a fight with another worker, who threatened revenge. “He had objected to them ‘encroaching into his space’ while working,” says a worker. “Fights of such nature often arise at the bhatta, where working conditions are tough and tempers flare easily. He later accused Shama of blasphemy although they were both illiterate.”
“I was in the resting room when they brought my sister-in-law and brother to the kiln. My wife’s hands still hurt from trying to stop them,” relates Iqbal. “Over 1,500 of them tore Shama’s clothes and paraded them naked around the kiln twice. They were beaten so badly they were bathed in blood. But when they set them alight, I fainted.”
Relative Javed Shahbaz, who has given Iqbal refuge in his house in Clarkabad, says when he came to help them, the cleric urged the mob to “get together because the ‘Christians’ had begun to collect”. Javed fled before he, too, was attacked.
Iqbal begins to weep. “They killed my little brother and my bharjai,” his voice wavers. “That fire can melt iron … what are you and I in front of it?” A tear rolls off his cheek. “I don’t care for any compensation; I only want justice.”
Published in Dawn, November 16th, 2014

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Why couldn’t the Christian couple be forgiven? I don’t think they even did any blasphemy. It was a dispute they had with owners of the kiln.

Who will now wipe the tears of the child of the Christian couple who got burnt? How are his tears and suffering less than JJ?

What about Asia Bibi? Her husband said they would never disrespect Quran and Islam and maintain that she did not do anything.

Christian couple lynching: Six-year-old narrates details of his parents’ murder – The Express Tribune

I was listening to him tell the story of what he saw and it was heartbreaking how he described what happened to his parents.
Christian couple lynching: Six-year-old narrates details of his parents’ murder – The Express Tribune

I don’t think this is a Pakistan specific problem. Mob mentality runs strong in subcontinent. Only difference is people believe they have the support of the blasphemy law. Before 1970s Pakistan had similar blasphemy laws to India from colonial times. Why can’t there be a return to that? The law now is so vague anyone can accuse anyone and get away with it.

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No one can improve the state in Pakistan if they think the creation of Pakistan was useless. You are essentially giving up on the spirit of Muslims on the subcontinent and doubting that Islam can bring people of different tribes together.

Pakistan was made - it's not like God was sleeping when it happened. It was made because Allah wanted it to exist. So instead of suggesting our independence was useless let's be a part of a solution.

How? Become part of the Pakistani community and show tolerance to nonmuslims by example and others will follow. Reach out to those blinded by religious hatred and show them that this is NOT part of Islam.

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There are many organizations you can work thru to accomplish this btw.

Even a bloody support the Christians in Pakistan post on your FB page is helpful. Would show people that look there are friendly good Pakistanis out there.

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There are also active Pakistani Christian organisations in UK and US. In Nov the British Pakistani Christian association had a rally/protest against what happened to the Christian couple. They welcome all people and all Pakistanis to join them. Good Pakistanis like Salman Taseer have died for speaking up for minorities.

The Pakistani American Christian association also has similar events. It would be maybe a great idea for representatives of the Pakistani American Muslim to go to these events and show support and solidarity. This may already happen but if it doesn’t it may be a good idea.

Speaking up can make a big difference.

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Wilson Chowdhury the president of the British Pakistani Christian association speaks often about Asia bibi. He also participated in a song video to raise awareness of her issues. So releasing Asia Bibi will have worldwide impact. She doesn’t even have to live in Pakistan if it is not possible. Paris has already offered her a home.

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  • I deleted this post myself - sorry for confusion *

That’ll be Afia bb
This one is Asia bb

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They're both minorities of the same faith and both falsely implicated in blasphemy cases. Neither had fair trial and both are suffering.

WHat??? You are definitely mistaken. That's the strangest conspiracy theory i have ever heard. She has no connection to terrorists. She is from a poor family and she shared glass of water with some women she worked with. They didn't like it, they had an argument and reported her for blasphemy. There is no evidence she committed blasphemy. 2 ministers died protecting her. I don't think they would do that if she is a proven terrorist helper.

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oh i see. I get the confusion now.

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If we talk about minorities we should also talk about these heroic Pakistanis who have taken a stand and in some cases ultimately sacrificed their life for human rights of another.

Brave, selfless people , who put their lives on the line for
others… We are sure there are many others, e.g the members of bomb disposal squads, journalists who report from dangerous locations, peace and human rights activists, but here are a few shining individual examples.

  1. Ammar Fayaz is the Chairman of the Sindh Human
    rights Organisation and an active campaigner against the abduction and forced conversion of hindu girls in Sind. Is missing since Nov 25, believed to have been abducted as well.

  2. Pakistan’s polio workers, of whom 65 have been
    killed so far by militant fanatics, are aware of the risks to their lives as
    they go from home to home vaccinating children against a crippling disease for a compensation of Rs 250 per day. Yet they continue bravely.

  3. Shahabaz Bhatti, first Federal Minister for
    minorities, an outspoken critic of the blasphemy law, campaigner against the attacks on the Christian community in Gojra, had been receiving death threats since 2009. Had foretold his own death in a recorded video shortly before he was assassinated as his car was sprayed with bullets in March 2011.

  4. Salman Taseer, bravely spoke out against the
    blasphemy law and campaigned for justice for blasphemy accused Aasia bibi. Was shot by his guard Mumtaz Qadri at pointblank range in Islamabad in 2011 for asking the blasphemy law to be “reviewed”.

  5. Irfan Ali Khudi was a peace and human rights
    activist fearlessly campaigning against persecution of the Shia Hazara community. In Jan 2013, two bombs shook the predominantly Hazara Alamdar Road area in Quetta. After the first blast, Irfan was one of the humanitarians who arrived to help the injured at the scene. When the second blast occurred, nearly 100 people had lost their lives, and Irfan was one of them.

  6. Aitezaz Hassan, a 14 year old student from Hangu, stopped a suicide bomber from entering his school in January 2014. He
    saved 2000 students but lost his own life when the suicide bomber blew himself up near the school gate.

  7. Rashid Rehman, lawyer and regional coordinator
    of the HRCP was well aware of the risks to his life when he agreed to defend blasphemy accused Junaid Hafeez. A staunch champion for the rights of the oppressed, Rehman lost his life when he was shot by assassins who posed as clients and entered his office in Multan in May 2014. Four days back Junaid’s second lawyer Shehbaz Ali Khan Gormani’s house was fired upon, it takes a man of indomitable spirit to stand for life of an individual whose first lawyer had been already martyred!

  8. Dr Mahdi Qamar, US based cardiologist was aware
    that a trip to Pakistan was a serious risk to his life as he belonged to the Ahmadiya community. Yet he ignored the risk and returned to do humanitarian work at a hospital in Pakistan. He was shot by assassins in May 2014.

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Apologies. I mistook her with someone else who has a similar name

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Thank you for correcting me -

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No worries. Hota hai. They have quite similar names. I am not very aware of aafia's story otherwise hopefully I would have recognised this. Difference is just of one letter. Sorry for assuming you were thinking of a conspiracy theory.