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Freedom of speech applies to everyone, including Muslims. Why can't Muslims express their anger towards such acts?
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It's* how* one expresses anger that counts.
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You mean like make a movie in return? :)
Go for it
but I am going to watch this movie like I have watched all the other anti-muslim hate propaganda
but unlike you guys, it doesn't effect me
people who are offended by these things and start rioting need a reason to riot
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Go for it
but I am going to watch this movie like I have watched all the other anti-muslim hate propaganda
but unlike you guys, it doesn't effect me
people who are offended by these things and start rioting need a reason to riot
But we cannot. We accept/respect all prophets. See there's a difference.
And i'm all for peaceful protesting too. I'm not advocating just go down there like hooligans or burn down and damage properties, that's not the right way to get ur displeasure across.
I'm just saying, if others do not understand Quran, then they really have no business criticizing it publically either. It's called mutual respect. No one is forcing others to become muslim, don't like it, fine....thank u for reading the book. Please move on.
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I'm just saying, if others do not understand Quran, then they really have no business criticizing it publically either. It's called mutual respect. No one is forcing others to become muslim, don't like it, fine....thank u for reading the book. Please move on.
Hold up. Who said he doesn't understand Islam? Why is it that criticism of Muslims is categorically labelled as "not knowing" about Islam?
He's looking at violent tendencies in some Muslims. He's tackling an issue that needs to be tackled: why are so many followers of the "religion of peace" so damn violent? Are there things in the Quran that some people manipulate to exploit? The exact word they use is "inspire" - the Quran, for some people, "inspires intolerance, murder and terror". Is there any denying that?
As long as he has a substantive message, which he does so by citing the Quran, he should be allowed to publish whatever he want.
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Hold up. Who said he doesn't understand Islam? Why is it that criticism of Muslims is categorically labelled as "not knowing" about Islam?
He's looking at violent tendencies in some Muslims. He's tackling an issue that needs to be tackled: why are so many followers of the "religion of peace" so damn violent? Are there things in the Quran that some people manipulate to exploit? The exact word they use is "inspire" - the Quran, for some people, "inspires intolerance, murder and terror". Is there any denying that?
As long as he has a substantive message, which he does so by citing the Quran, he should be allowed to publish whatever he want.
If you want to justify (i mean You in general), then you can pretty much justify anything, even murder. It's the moral responsibility that counts.
What was the intention behind Muhammah (pbuh)'s cartoons? I mean c'moooon....it becomes obvious after some time that the intention is not educational or constructive criticism but rather jumping the bandwagon and defaming a religion.
Some muslims that act against the Quran, does not give him the right to criticize Quran and say its the Book that encourages Terrorism. He should instead make a video on those misguided people, so everyone can see that it's these bad apples that make everyone else look bad.
That's more constructive i'd say. You cannot blame a religion for people's actions, rather u should blame the people's actions who make the religion look bad.
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As long as he has a substantive message, which he does so by citing the Quran, he should be allowed to publish whatever he want.
Rubbish. If some people DO indeed use the Quran for such ends, then he is no less endorsing the view that the Quran espouses such views by not presenting those that disagree. And that's what distinguishes academic questioning from fear mongering and good old fashioned bigotry. The lack of balance. And this is why your take on the issue is somewhat of a cop-out.
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Rubbish. If some people DO indeed use the Quran for such ends, then he is no less endorsing the view that the Quran espouses such views by not presenting those that disagree. And that's what distinguishes academic questioning from fear mongering and good old fashioned bigotry. The lack of balance. And this is why your take on the issue is somewhat of a cop-out.
Have you even heard the guy speak? He has come out to say that most Muslims are not like the idiots you see crashing burning barbeques into airports. Why do you find it so hard to understand that he distincts between ordinary muslims and a "growing minority lured towards terrorism"? Why do you ignore that he even distinguishes between European and American muslims?
He's no academic, I give you that much. What he is though, is a genius. The movie is not out, let alone finished, but he has already demonstrated just how violent and intolerant Muslims can be. Even if he doesn't release the film the damage has already been dealt... by Muslims themselves.
As for your last point, you need to reconsider who's really a bigger fear mongerer. Is it Geert Wilders with a film that might not even exist? Or is it the people who say "if you dare say what we dont like or produce what we dont want to watch...we'll kill you"?
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If you want to justify (i mean You in general), then you can pretty much justify anything, even murder. It's the moral responsibility that counts.
What was the intention behind Muhammah (pbuh)'s cartoons? I mean c'moooon....it becomes obvious after some time that the intention is not educational or constructive criticism but rather jumping the bandwagon and defaming a religion.
Some muslims that act against the Quran, does not give him the right to criticize Quran and say its the Book that encourages Terrorism. He should instead make a video on those misguided people, so everyone can see that it's these bad apples that make everyone else look bad.
That's more constructive i'd say. You cannot blame a religion for people's actions, rather u should blame the people's actions who make the religion look bad.
You can not blame religion? What. Religion by man then used by man. Yes I do blame religion. History is full of blame examples. BLOOD, BLOOD, BLOOD. It is a means and ways to control the populace, gain power and amass lands. There is so much anger against people who criticise and question religions intent. Historically and in modern periods real examples of heinous acts . We spend so much time defending that we don't even see how it is used in reality. To promote and inculcate from moment of birth Homophobia, mysogyny, racism , genocide , sexism .
It is about time we question religion. What has it begotten and fueled ?extremism, fundamentalism , islamfacists, nazi facism, catholic facism and zionist extremists. The state of nirvana is non existent for many.
How have the Taliban used the Quran. EXACTLY
How have the Catholics used the BIBLE. EXACTLY
How have the Christian Funadamentlist used the BIBLE. EXACTLY
How have orthodox zionists used the TORAH. EXACTLY.
*What did the Aboriginals of Australia use? What did the Tibetans use? *
Practiscing asceticism brings spirituality or is it a manifestation of self hatred and not empathy.
Is it possible for good teachings and spiritual philosophies to be absorbed form Bahai , Christianity, Bhuddism, Confucious (sp), Islam, Hindusim, Scientology, Judaism, Taoism , Shinto, Mormonism, Unificationism, Zaroastrianism(sp), Wiccanism, Neopaganism . Perhaps enlightenment of soul comes from not only one faith but studying the good teachings and philosphies of all faiths and encompassing the basic principles to understanding ourselves and others. Enlightenment and seeking goodness is perhaps the path to earthly desires of peace, tranquility and compassion to self and others around.
To control and bind a mind to one faith without exploring all faiths I believe limits the experience of self awareness and the pursuit of a spiritual path which can be true only to one self as we individually experience life.. My spiritual path is true only to me , its not true to you as we are not one. We are many. But collectively we must share , dialogue and inter-relate based on attaining goodness through following positive enlightment of all philosphies and religions. THere is an absolute commonality. A desire for gender equality , for intellectual property , and for harmony with earth and all life which has sprung from her.
It's myopic vision which sprouts discord, strife , ill will and evil deeds.
Knowledge is absolute power. It is a gift to self and I believe we should all be on a path to seek and explore without dogma limiting our sight and mind and from this well of knowledge the ability to experience 'togethernism' while practising individualism.
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You can not blame religion? What. Religion by man then used by man. Yes I do blame religion. History is full of blame examples. BLOOD, BLOOD, BLOOD. It is a means and ways to control the populace, gain power and amass lands. There is so much anger against people who criticise and question religions intent. Historically and in modern periods real examples of heinous acts . We spend so much time defending that we don't even see how it is used in reality. To promote and inculcate from moment of birth Homophobia, mysogyny, racism , genocide , sexism .
It is about time we question religion. What has it begotten and fueled ?extremism, fundamentalism , islamfacists, nazi facism, catholic facism and zionist extremists. The state of nirvana is non existent for many.
How have the Taliban used the Quran. EXACTLY How have the Catholics used the BIBLE. EXACTLY How have the Christian Funadamentlist used the BIBLE. EXACTLY How have orthodox zionists used the TORAH. EXACTLY.
*What did the Aboriginals of Australia use? What did the Tibetans use? *
Practiscing asceticism brings spirituality or is it a manifestation of self hatred and not empathy.
Is it possible for good teachings and spiritual philosophies to be absorbed form Bahai , Christianity, Bhuddism, Confucious (sp), Islam, Hindusim, Scientology, Judaism, Taoism , Shinto, Mormonism, Unificationism, Zaroastrianism(sp), Wiccanism, Neopaganism . Perhaps enlightenment of soul comes from not only one faith but studying the good teachings and philosphies of all faiths and encompassing the basic principles to understanding ourselves and others. Enlightenment and seeking goodness is perhaps the path to earthly desires of peace, tranquility and compassion to self and others around.
To control and bind a mind to one faith without exploring all faiths I believe limits the experience of self awareness and the pursuit of a spiritual path which can be true only to one self as we individually experience life.. My spiritual path is true only to me , its not true to you as we are not one. We are many. But collectively we must share , dialogue and inter-relate based on attaining goodness through following positive enlightment of all philosphies and religions. THere is an absolute commonality. A desire for gender equality , for intellectual property , and for harmony with earth and all life which has sprung from her.
It's myopic vision which sprouts discord, strife , ill will and evil deeds.
Knowledge is absolute power. It is a gift to self and I believe we should all be on a path to seek and explore without dogma limiting our sight and mind and from this well of knowledge the ability to experience 'togethernism' while practising individualism.
Thanks for the speech.
Explore any or all religions all you want. Don't confuse your 'desired' extraction of other religions and mixing it with Islam as Islam. If you don't find yourself fit to follow Islam as a whole, then you should question yourself and your faith, Don't go around expecting Islam to change just because you cannot find yourself following it whole heartedly. Because in essence Islam is a pretty logical and easy religion to follow. Islam maybe for everyone, but everyone might NOT be for Islam. Maybe you need to work harder at understanding Quran and the religion as a whole.
Your rhetoric about all religions evil, blah blah blah, doesn't achieve anything but just shows that you lack understanding. Simple as that. You fail to understand and see that it is people who do mischeivous things and because they belong or claim to belong to a certain religion, the blame instead of going to them as individuals, goes to Religoin. Islam in particular.
Have you ever heard anyone being called Christian terrorist? or Jewish Terrorist? Be honest here now....i'm sure you're all ethical people with much character. It's real obvious when it comes to muslims they're Islamic Terrorists and the blame's rapidly shifted to the religion as a whole and the Holy Quran.
How about pointing out and blaming the people who commit heinous acts for once and show some character.
Thanks.
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Enlightenment is all encompassing. It's an aid or pursuit toward commonality and sharing of 'goodness' It comes not only in one philosphical opine. Diversity acceptance has a common denominator . Opening and expanding ones insight to all ideals and philosophies fosters humanity. Enlightement to many truths leads to compassion, mutual understanding and inter-faith dialogue How can this possibly be a threat to the pursuit of acceptance, love, peace and tranquility. Forces are everchanging --- our universe constantly evolving , the constellation is not the same as 10,000 years ago. And we are not the same as those of 10,000 years ago.
Its not a mattar of giving up something as much as learning about something new. It's an education for a better civilization.
As for christian terrorist, ie naziism. KKK ANother example catholic terrorists is IRA . And I did mention fundamenta zionists. SO , I don't understand exactly your question regarding terrorists as I assumed it was clear.
Perhaps my post was not very clear to you. It did not ask for negativity but positivity through understanding and knowledge of all faiths. I do not have to renounce Islam to learn how other faiths worship , preach or present their path toward goodness. However , there are many paths in life and the freedom to pursue those paths is a right. Having said that, I reinterate that learning and exposing ones mind to other beliefs and practices is not a threat to humanity or to the reality of our world. Subjectivity does not bring people together as much as objectivity and searching for a common good in each.
If we expect other's to view Islam though better lenses and learn how Islam can teach and practice goodness can we not expect ourselves to do same and learn from others? Criticism is not necessarily evil , neither is questioning practices.
And once again, sorry if my post was not clear, but I was thinking of religion in general terms and how much goodness can be gleaned from it as there are in essence basic denominators to all faiths including secular philosophies. However, religion does not always foster good deeds or intentions as there is plenty leeway for great nefarious conduct.
I have read Torah, Bible and Quran. I have them all in my home. King James Bible. (a great historical and fascinating lesson in how it came about). Even the translation into different languages of all works is a fascinating accounting. But I digress. When evil wants to act there is much within all to support its path. I have studied the expansion of religion, its colonialism, its triumphs and its downfalls. Its contribution to civilization and its distractions.
Presently I am still on a path researching and studying Bhuddism and Taoism. I am a student of theocracy and philosphy. I am not the same person when I entered University as I have learned so much. And much challenges what I believe and much has influenced me to review all that I believe. There is nothing wrong in questioning as history is a witness to this testament of curiousity, invention and development.
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Isn’t the west strong enough to withstand one man’s views?
Sheikh Yassin - A blind paraplegic bombed by the Zionists for his views…
And just name a couple of others who received death threats:
Cindy Sheehan
Michael Moore
Brian DePalma
And these are people who weren’t a threat to anyone…
The west is more afraid of what people’s opinions are…Ahemdinejad is one example…The term ‘terrorist sympathiser’ and ‘preemptive strike’ are also a couple of indicators of the fear in which the west lives…
Boo! The boogeyman cometh…
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The west is more afraid of what people's opinions are...Ahemdinejad is one example...The term 'terrorist sympathiser' and 'preemptive strike' are also a couple of indicators of the fear in which the west lives...
Boo! The boogeyman cometh...
This whole thread is about some Muslims' intolerance and fear of others speaking their minds, your attempt to make the west the boogeyman is misplaced.
Although it was interesting how you chose to sneak a murderer in your llist of otherwise peaceful social activists.
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Very impressive post :k:
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Isn't Islam strong enough to withstand one man's opinion laid out in a 15 minute film?
Yes Islam is strong enough to withstand all the media propaganda as Islam is the fastest growing religion in the West.
But the question we muslims should be asking to ourselves is " are we follwing Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and are we strong enough in our faith and are we tolerant and nice enough to show the right character of a muslim through our actions to non muslims ?"
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the more they do this, the more we can see the fear that they have of the Truth prevailing over their fabrications....
but i am sure even they do realize that the Truth cannot be hidden by such silly acts as making biased movies and publishing some silly cartoons....
like it or not, Islam stands mighty in your faces as your faith and society both steadily crumble....
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Also, does anyone remember all the Christian protests over Last Temptation of Christ (1988), which was basically a Hollywood’s review of Jesus? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Olgsutz-o
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like it or not, Islam stands mighty in your faces as your faith and society both steadily crumble....
Pretty bold statement. I won't say it's baseless, but exactly what is this boldness that is standing mightily in our faces? The sectarianism and disarray within Islam? The poor standards of living and lack of education that prevail in most Muslim societies? Your texts and doctrines which no no non-Muslim sees as the Truth? The violent extremism where clerics call for the beheading of those they disagree with? The overall domination of men is Islamic societies? The lack of pious and righteuss leaders in Muslim countries? The lack of any world power since the fall of the Ottoman Empire a hundred years ago? Please enlighten me to the fear we supposedly are living in outside of this extremist element?
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the more they do this, the more we can see the fear that they have of the Truth prevailing over their fabrications....
if we want to know why non-muslims get angry or suspicious of muslims it is this sort of implication that somehow their religion is more truthful than others or theirs is the only god etc. I recently read a post here about someone's dadajee telling him that those who do not follow islam are animals.
I will ignore this kind of attitude as stupidity but others get offended and the result is you end up with things like this film, the cartoons etc.