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No! More like the whole thread is about how this fella is yet another attempt to spread Islamophobia.
You do give me a good laugh every now and then. 
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West had a reason to be wary of Islam since Arabs reached as far as Tours in France (100 miles to south of Paris) in the west, sacked Sicily (which was so close to Vatican) in the south, and Turks (Muslim Mongols) reached the gates of Vienna in the east. Many know of the Soviet Muslim republics in the south of Russia, but don't know of Tataristan and Bushkortostan just a few hundred miles to the east of Moscow (before the Urals).
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Islam stands strong not because of the so called faithful who protest by cutting off people's heads or burn KFCs but it does because of the silent majority who choose to IGNORE the defamation attempts.
However if we let keep letting the thugs and bombers speak for us we risk giving credence to the Geert Wilders of the world. As someone said above - "We will burn or kill anyone who disagrees" is not a way to show that Islam is a religion of peace.
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No, the acts of many believers is the cause of Islamophobia. Islamafacism against women perhaps is an example. Watch Theo Van Gogh’s . Submission. ------- Easily available for viewing at You Tube. Consider those who have left the faith for whatever reasons and have suffered the punishment of death or threat of death. Ayan Hirsi Ali. Abdul Rahman, Walid Shoebat, former president of Argentina, Carlos Memen and Ehsan Jami all famous apostates .
OF course these examples would not contribute of Islamophobia.
Perhaps when muslims demonstrate on the street against videos of innocent people being beheaded with the same rigor as a drawing of Prophet Mohammed (SAW), when muslims unambigously declare Shariah law should have no status over civil law in a pluralistic , democratic society.
Countlessd islamic reformers and supporters like me have been accused of Islamaphobia. I speak out against mistreatment of women in islamic countries and question its brutal authority, the homophobia which prevails and the ill treatment of religious minorities ( zinya etc) . I stand proudly being accused of Islamaphobiaas I oppose violent teaching of Salafism and the violent interpretations from the QURAN,
Brand me as an Islamaphobic for I wear this honor proudly and honorably.
When I have read and seen recently palestinian children dancing and cheering at the murders of the jewish students at the school this past week it sickens me. Who taught these children to celebrate at such an act of evil? How dare the adults insult Allah by proclaiming themselves muslim and their teachings islamic. If this is islam the world see then those who find revulsion in this are indeed islamaphobic and proudly so.
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No, the acts of many believers is the cause of Islamophobia. Islamafacism against women perhaps is an example. Watch Theo Van Gogh's . Submission. ------- Easily available for viewing at You Tube. Consider those who have left the faith for whatever reasons and have suffered the punishment of death or threat of death. Ayan Hirsi Ali. Abdul Rahman, Walid Shoebat, former president of Argentina, Carlos Memen and Ehsan Jami all famous apostates . OF course these examples would not contribute of Islamophobia.
Perhaps when muslims demonstrate on the street against videos of innocent people being beheaded with the same rigor as a drawing of Prophet Mohammed (SAW), when muslims unambigously declare Shariah law should have no status over civil law in a pluralistic , democratic society.
Countlessd islamic reformers and supporters like me have been accused of Islamaphobia. I speak out against mistreatment of women in islamic countries and question its brutal authority, the homophobia which prevails and the ill treatment of religious minorities ( zinya etc) . I stand proudly being accused of Islamaphobiaas I oppose violent teaching of Salafism and the violent interpretations from the QURAN,
Brand me as an Islamaphobic for I wear this honor proudly and honorably.
When I have read and seen recently palestinian children dancing and cheering at the murders of the jewish students at the school this past week it sickens me. Who taught these children to celebrate at such an act of evil? How dare the adults insult Allah by proclaiming themselves muslim and their teachings islamic. If this is islam the world see then those who find revulsion in this are indeed islamaphobic and proudly so.
You cannot present Hirsi and likes of her as shining example of muslims or ex-muslims for that matter. I understand the hardship the may have suffered and that she did not want to marry the guy her family arranged for her. For that, she had the right to refuse w/out facing any consequences. Islam gives women that right.
So how does she go off interpreting Quran and labeling the religion as being violent?....She's not a Muslim Scholar. It's like asking a English professor to teach a class in Anatomy. It just doesn't add up! You can dress it up any way you like.
Yes i agree women are often treated badly, but it is not because of the religion or what the book says. The book is not even followed, and if it were everyone would be happy. The people who inflict any suffering on women do so because they lack the knowledge/education and are victims to their surroundings and teachings from either family/friends/society, etc....
It's sad because people often don't understand or follow the religion, and their acts get labeled as the teachings of the religion.
If you were to represent yourself to others as Muslim, you would want to make sure you're not on the extreme end, whether right or left. Be modest so others aren't misled thinking what you're doing is Islam indeed and then later they find out it's not.
Quran is not a voilent book and it does not suppress anyone's rights. People have got to understand that, and stop labeling an entire religion, and mind you, one of the FASTEST growing religions as the manifesto of extremism.
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Yes, it's provocative. How do you stop it in its tracks without changing the laws of these countries with free speech? There are no blasphemy laws in his country.
But really what do we know? What are the facts?
- He claims the Quran inspires "intolerance, murder and terror."
- He has had dozens of death threats including a video circulating on the web that offers 72 virgins in paradise to any Muslim who beheads him. So why go about rioting and threatening violence which just proves all these negative stereotypes? An educated critique of the film would be much more of an appropriate response. Go through and refute, point by point, all the innacuracies.
What are the laws worth if they do not support the proper moral?
Will such a person release another video if his claims were rebuked to refute his earlier works? Never seen it happen. The damage is done through media but the redressing never occurs through the media at the same extent. So there is no balance which is justified in this approach.
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The damage is done through media but the redressing never occurs through the media at the same extent. So there is no balance which is justified in this approach.
The media picked up on this when the Muslims began hootering and hollering for his murder. Had they kept shut nothing would have become of this "film". Instead, their typical Muslim behaviour has done exactly what every Muslim is afraid of : a negative portrayal of Muslims as an illiterate, arrogant, insensitive, imposing, violent, unreasonable, rowdy and moronic people.
Who creates an impression of Muslims you ask? Not van Gogh... nope not Wilders either. The answer is Muslims. Muslims make a mockery of themselves!
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What are the laws worth if they do not support the proper moral?
You defintion of the "proper moral" is different than that of western soceity. Laws to protect freedom of speech are favored over laws to protect religion from freedom of criticism or critical analysis.
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Will such a person release another video if his claims were rebuked to refute his earlier works? Never seen it happen. The damage is done through media but the redressing never occurs through the media at the same extent. So there is no balance which is justified in this approach.
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The damage is done through bringing more attention to this film than otherwise would. The original film maker or the media have no responsiblilty to get into an endless rebuke to refute to rebuke to refute.
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The media picked up on this when the Muslims began hootering and hollering for his murder. Had they kept shut nothing would have become of this "film". Instead, their typical Muslim behaviour has done exactly what every Muslim is afraid of : a negative portrayal of Muslims as an illiterate, arrogant, insensitive, imposing, violent, unreasonable, rowdy and moronic people.
Who creates an impression of Muslims you ask? Not van Gogh... nope not Wilders either. The answer is Muslims. Muslims make a mockery of themselves!
Allow me to reinterate you post hskhan with an EXACTLY.
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You cannot present Hirsi and likes of her as shining example of muslims or ex-muslims for that matter. I understand the hardship the may have suffered and that she did not want to marry the guy her family arranged for her. For that, she had the right to refuse w/out facing any consequences. Islam gives women that right.
So how does she go off interpreting Quran and labeling the religion as being violent?....She's not a Muslim Scholar. It's like asking a English professor to teach a class in Anatomy. It just doesn't add up! You can dress it up any way you like. How do mad mullahs and crazy clerics get off interpreting Quran and labeling the religion as being non violent? How do Islamic societies justify they are not violent against women's rights?
Yes i agree women are often treated badly, but it is not because of the religion or what the book says. The book is not even followed, and if it were everyone would be happy. The people who inflict any suffering on women do so because they lack the knowledge/education and are victims to their surroundings and teachings from either family/friends/society, etc....So you agree then its not written in the Islamic faith a woman is forbidden to wear perfume , jewellery, and shoes which will attract attention to her?
It's sad because people often don't understand or follow the religion, and their acts get labeled as the teachings of the religion.
If you were to represent yourself to others as Muslim, you would want to make sure you're not on the extreme end, whether right or left. Be modest so others aren't misled thinking what you're doing is Islam indeed and then later they find out it's not. WHAT does it mean to be modest. Wearing hijab, burqa? **The BIGGEST LIE is hijab, burqa are made for women to wear because it is written in the Islamic teachings. **
Quran is not a voilent book and it does not suppress anyone's rights. People have got to understand that, and stop labeling an entire religion, and mind you, one of the FASTEST growing religions as the manifesto of extremism.
THE REASON IT IS THE FASTEST RISING IS BECAUSE THE BIRTHRATE PER FAMILY IS THE HIGHEST. DON'T CONFUSE THIS WITH NUMBER OF CONVERSIONS as it mispeaks the facts.
Overall, statistics for conversion are hard to come by , specifically in Islamic countries were apostasy (going from muslim to either jewish, hindi, or christianity) is punishable by death. Alot of data is based on birth or population.
If one were to look at Australian conversions or numbers of a certain religious sect on the rise then it would be BHUDDISM while Hinduism lately has been on the greater rise. This is arguably due to immigration and not conversion per se.
As for Islam, census taking do agree it is on the rise in the west but this is due to the number of people immigrating the the many kids born.
*WICCA has seen a HUGE GROWTH IN FOLLOWERS, and as more people are becoming educated on this faith more are becoming drawn to its spiritual/religious teachings. Based solely on conversion rates it has been noted WICCANS have more people converting to wiccanism solely on conversion rather then birthrate. Even though a very small tiny population it has accounted for a very large conversion rate. *
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THE REASON IT IS THE FASTEST RISING IS BECAUSE THE BIRTHRATE PER FAMILY IS THE HIGHEST. DON'T CONFUSE THIS WITH NUMBER OF CONVERSIONS as it mispeaks the facts.
Overall, statistics for conversion are hard to come by , specifically in Islamic countries were apostasy (going from muslim to either jewish, hindi, or christianity) is punishable by death. Alot of data is based on birth or population.
If one were to look at Australian conversions or numbers of a certain religious sect on the rise then it would be BHUDDISM while Hinduism lately has been on the greater rise. This is arguably due to immigration and not conversion per se.
As for Islam, census taking do agree it is on the rise in the west but this is due to the number of people immigrating the the many kids born.
WICCA has seen a HUGE GROWTH IN FOLLOWERS, and as more people are becoming educated on this faith more are becoming drawn to its spiritual/religious teachings. Based solely on conversion rates it has been noted WICCANS have more people converting to wiccanism solely on conversion rather then birthrate. Even though a very small tiny population it has accounted for a the largest number of conversion rate.
As for future predictions it is thought Christianity and Muslims will not be affected in change and might actually loose the number of followers. What is expected in religious growth /belief system is an increase in philosophies/beliefs of the orient such as Bhuddism, Taoism, Shinto, Confuscian and Sikh including. THE BIGGEST INCREASE IT IS PROJECT IS AMONGST NOT RELIGIOUS YET SPIRITUALLY ORIENTED IN NEW AGE PHILOSOPHIES AND BELIEFS.
based on studies of Quantifying alternate futures of religion and religions. Futures, 36(9), 947-960.
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If you want to complain and others want to kill about Christians defaming Muhammad, then you must also complain about Christians defaming Jesus. Otherwise your claim that Islam respects allllll Prophets is phony.
Well thats the difference between me and you, Seminole.
I will cry out loud when people insult and defame Hazrat Isa (r.a), while you will enjoy the 15 min trash of people like Wilders and even vote for them as your next President or something.
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What about the De Vinci Code where the author claims that Jesus is not God, didn't die on the cross or resurrect? Instead he married a prostitute and had children. He claims that Christianity and Catholicism are a historic lie. Was that hate propaganda or abusive?
Movies and books are made all the time about other religions that can be considered blasphmeous and inciteful.
Do you believe Jesus to be God? You are the only one then. Coz I dont remember any sect of Christianity claiming Jesus to be GOD.
Not everyone agrees with the idea of Jesus to be resurrected, or died on the cross. And some scriptures do prove the Church wrong. Therefore having disbelieves in Church is not an insult on Christianity.
I.e.: You dont believe in Allah, doesnt mean that I find your remarks offensive.The Book is being heavily criticized and is still considered as troubling by the Pope and Vatikan. So you see, not only Muslims feel offended by what they consider to be against their religious sentiments.
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Well thats the difference between me and you, Seminole.
I will cry out loud when people insult and defame Hazrat Isa (r.a), while you will enjoy the 15 min trash of people like Wilders and even vote for them as your next President or something.
Here's another difference between you and me... you make ridiculous assumptions about my thoughts and actions for which you have no clue.
But I will try to see this movie. I'm not sure I will enjoy it, but I will watch it. I want to be informed, not just hear the things that I want to hear.
Anyway, I missed your crying out loud about any movie or trash about Jesus over the years. Everyone says "we respect all prophets" and they will not stand for any disrespect to any of them. But no one ever hears a a peep from a Muslim regarding any prophet other thana perceived disrespect to Muhammad. Then all hell breaks loose.
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Here's another difference between you and me... you make ridiculous assumptions about my thoughts and actions for which you have no clue.
Read your own posted text above and you will see not everything I assume is ridiculous. ANd secondly I havent seen you denouncing any blasphemous stuff posted on this very board ever.
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But I will try to see this movie. I'm not sure I will enjoy it, but I will watch it. I want to be informed, not just hear the things that I want to hear.
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Good! Ill be watching It too, but cant say If I will ENJOY It.
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Anyway, I missed your crying out loud about any movie or trash about Jesus over the years. Everyone says "we respect all prophets" and they will not stand for any disrespect to any of them. But no one ever hears a a peep from a Muslim regarding any prophet other thana perceived disrespect to Muhammad. Then all hell breaks loose.
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Well I do cry out loud about those monuments/pictures and blames/claims being published and officially accepted by the Vatikan about Hazrat Isa being a white man, having blue eyes, died on the cross, the ressurection, etc. Or the Jewish version of him being trickster, magician, etc.
You must have missed a lot then.
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Read your own posted text above and you will see not everything I assume is ridiculous. ANd secondly I havent seen you denouncing any blasphemous stuff posted on this very board ever.
I didn't say* everything *you assume is ridiculous. You probably won't hear me denouncing much blasphemy. I'm a big proponent of free speech. Hate speech, no. Free speech, yes.
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Well I do cry out loud about those monuments/pictures and blames/claims being published and officially accepted by the Vatikan about Hazrat Isa being a white man, having blue eyes, died on the cross, the ressurection, etc. Or the Jewish version of him being trickster, magician, etc.
You must have missed a lot then.
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Well bully for you, but those are mostly religious and historical interpretations, not necesarily blasphemy. If that's the case then the Muslim version of Jesus is very blasphemous by Christian standards.
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The Book is being heavily criticized and is still considered as troubling by the Pope and Vatikan. So you see, not only Muslims feel offended by what they consider to be against their religious sentiments.
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Of couse they aren't the only ones who feel offended. But they are the only ones with fatwas that call for murder for those they disagree with.
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I didn't say* everything *you assume is ridiculous. You probably won't hear me denouncing much blasphemy. I'm a big proponent of free speech. Hate speech, no. Free speech, yes.
So free speech also includes making fun of religion and culture? Why!?
A nude woman on the street can enjoy more freedom is seen with eyes wide open than a woman behind her veil. Why? I thought freedom means equality as well as tolerance.
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Well bully for you, but those are mostly religious and historical interpretations, not necesarily blasphemy. If that's the case then the Muslim version of Jesus is very blasphemous by Christian standards.
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So you agree on the "historical interpretations" that Jesus had blue eyes and was milky white? Very historical proven that is. As much as proven as he was ressurected.
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Of couse they aren't the only ones who feel offended. But they are the only ones with fatwas that call for murder for those they disagree with.
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You are right, stupid people exist everywhere. I remember Jews (Judas) being blamed for Jesus the son of God (as you people claim) crusifixion til Pope Johannes Paul II aquitted them of Jesus murder.
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So free speech also includes making fun of religion and culture? Why!?
A nude woman on the street can enjoy more freedom is seen with eyes wide open than a woman behind her veil. Why? I thought freedom means equality as well as tolerance.
Where did nude women come into the thread? I thought we were talking about the freedom to interpret religious texts and make a short film about it.
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So you agree on the "historical interpretations" that Jesus had blue eyes and was milky white? Very historical proven that is. As much as proven as he was ressurected.
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No where did I say I agree with those interpretations. But there is just as much proof of those things as there is that Muhammad met with an angel in a cave and received words from God.
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You are right, stupid people exist everywhere.
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Yes, they need to be denounced strongly for these violent acts against those who speak their minds.
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Is it safe to assume that everything is fair game when it comes to freedom of speech?
If no, where would you draw the line?
If yes, how come racial remarks are considered sensitive while religious beliefs are up for ridicule.