Blair shelves plan to ban Hizb-ut-Tahrir

Blair shelves plan to ban Hizb-ut-Tahrir

http://www.dawn.com/2006/12/25/top16.htm

By M. Ziauddin

LONDON, Dec 24: Prime Minister Tony Blair has been forced to shelve plans to ban Hizb-ut-Tahrir after opposition from senior police officers and the Home Office, the Sunday Observer has reported.

On a trip to Pakistan last month, Prime Minister Blair is understood to have given personal assurances to President Pervez Musharraf that the ban would go ahead. The paper said President Musharraf made clear to him that outlawing the group – banned in Pakistan since 2003 – must be a priority for Britain.

Plans to ban Hizb-ut-Tahrir, the radical group, was dropped following intense discussions between Number 10 and legal advisers. Counter-terrorism sources said Tony Blair had been warned that banning the group, which campaigns for Britain to become a caliphate would boost its recruitments if the group appealed against the move.

The decision is a significant personal blow to Mr Blair, who announced his intention to outlaw it shortly after the London bombings on July 7, 2005, as part of a 12-point strategy to counter Muslim extremism.

The debate over Hizb-ut-Tahrir’s right to operate in Britain comes as its influence is growing. The group has a presence in 40 countries. But it is banned in Germany, Russia, the Netherlands, Sudan and in almost every Arab country.

Last month a BBC investigation claimed to expose its methods to radicalise young British Muslims. It reported that in Croydon, south London, Hizb-ut-Tahrir encouraged an undercover researcher posing as a recruit to commit crimes to ‘prove his loyalty’. Hizb-ut-Tahrir has denied this and said it intended to sue the BBC.

The group’s British wing has distanced itself from the more radical views of international sister organisations such as those expressed on leaflets handed out by Hizb-ut-Tahrir supporters in Copenhagen which claimed suicide bombings in Israel were ‘legitimate’ acts of ‘martyrdom’.

The British wing has also distanced itself from its former leader, Omar Bakri Mohammad, who left the group to set up the more extreme Al Muhajiroun organisation in 1996 and is in exile in Lebanon after being caught on tape praising the London bombers as the ‘fantastic four’.

Comment:

Musharaff telling Blair on who to ban, surely not, I always thought it was the other way round. Does this mean that Pakistan is free from western interference and is a soverighn nation which makes decisions for the benefit of its people and national sovereignty?

Also if Musharaff keeps on banning parties which he disagrees with then who will stand in the elections? Is it not better instead of banning to discuss and refute the ideas of these Islamic parties with stronger ideas of his own?

Assuming of course that he has ideas of his own which are capable of convincing the people.

Re: Blair shelves plan to ban Hizb-ut-Tahrir

he had no right to ban Hizb-ut-Tahrir in the first place. they did nothing wrong. he only disliked them, because rather than shout slogans they hit him where it hurted the most, which is open private investigations, organise events and give votes! notice how they ignored al muhajiroon, who come out with comments that really put us muslims in the spotlight! the truth is Hizb-ut-Tahrir exposed them!

May ALLAH swt protect our ummah, Ameen...

Re: Blair shelves plan to ban Hizb-ut-Tahrir

So you two are members of Hizb-ut-Tahrir?

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HT are a bunch of goons, the party needs to be banned, leaders jailed and the zombie auatamtons rehabilitated to become poductive members of society. I am very disappointed that Blair has backed of on this.

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HT tolerates no opposition so they should not be lecturing others. The biggest fascist and anti Islamic terrorist group operating in UK. May Allah protect muslims from such idiots.

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Salaams All

Crescent warrior

Your absolutely right what u have said and its quite strange how many people support and justify the actions of the dictator Musharaff who doesn’t believe in the Islamic system nor does he believe in the western democratic model either.

So what system does he believe in? And will it take Pakistan forward and make it a prosperous nation able to compete and safeguard its borders from India?

Fraudz

I respect your right to express your views whilst maintaining the Islamic adhabb which for us as Muslims is very important and is a mark of distinguishing the rational and clam Muslim from the irrational and fanatical mad man.

You say that u want HT banned and its members imprisoned, but surely they have to be convicted and tried in a court of law based upon evidence and not the whims and desires of a political leader? What sort of society are u calling for and supporting? Not an Islamic or democratic one it seems.

This board has laws and guidelines which are implemented to make this place a pleasant experience, what would happen if they followed your principles?

Also on the last day we will be accountable for all of our actions, so as your Muslim brother who loves u and wants the best for u in this life and the next I advice you not to call for the imprisonment of your brothers who have not committed any crime or broken any law.

Ehsan

Salaams brother

To slander your brothers and abuse them is haram, I am sure u know this, but just a reminder for u and me. Also if what u have said is true then I am sure they would have been banned, and the funny thing is even Blair and his advisors don’t hold your views and they are non-Muslims. I disagree with what u have said but I will not swear at u or call u names because that is un-Islamic behaviour. If someone attacked u then I will defend your honour and life as commanded by Islam.

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^ It is all good to come and write here all this and trying to grab the high moral ground. Tell me what happens when anyone tries to oppose HT or their views in their meetings, the reality is very different. I am not swearing but bringing the reality to you and will say again may Allah protect us from such idiots.

One of the reason they didn't ban this terrorist organisation is that they want to keep an eye on them and not drive them underground by banning them.

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very good decision…a slap [ultay hath ki] in the face of those who can’t seem to digest wht HT has to offer…:halo:

ehsan, u seem to know a lot about their meetings n wht goes on in there…aisa to nahin angoor khatay hain…:halo: n as for being a terrorist organization…well they are not too far behind british government / pakistani government…so in the end they are only supporting one of their own…also wht makes them a terrorist organization? is it bcoz they don’t hold the same opinion/values/beliefs as you? for you they maybe are a terrorist org but for those who gel well with them, they don’t think the way u do…

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HT wanted to stand in the Pakistan elections? I thought your movement declared elections to be "kufr"?

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Would you like to explain what do you mean by Angoor khatay hain. I never joined nor do I have any intention of joining them. It is not the betterment of Islam or muslims that they are after, but the brain washing of youngsters and using them for their evil purposes. Yes I know people who joined and left them, they have told me, no opposition is tolerated, no one is allowed to question what they say, dictatorial to the core. Not everyone who knows them is lying. Join them and you will soon realise what sort of monsters they are.

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showkot, you seem like a nice guy and are a member of this organization, but for your own sake, I hope you leave it, or atleast study it a bit more, as I believe they have their own selfish ulterior motives. Maybe Ehsan bhai can guide you in the right direction, or even Fraudz bhai, but atleast try to study their objectives properly and in a reasonable manner and then make the ultimate decision of whether to support them, or to oppose them. I am sure you can do that, some of your posts are pretty thought provoking.

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*I respect your right to express your views whilst maintaining the Islamic adhabb which for us as Muslims is very important and is a mark of distinguishing the rational and clam Muslim from the irrational and fanatical mad man. *

Well thank you. I hope the same manners are taught to HT goons who used to harrass muslim students on UK campuses, and then got booted out of unis, them they started harsssing ppl in front of mosques.

Its not a very pleasant experience when you leave a masjid on a jummah, after jummah prayer and your uncle's funeral, and an HT guy calls you kaffir and when told to behave because its your uncle's funeral is told good so one more kaffir is gone.

That is not an isolated incidence. HT members in general are the most rabid, socially inept, behavioarlly challengedm rude, crude and socially screwed individual around.

*You say that u want HT banned and its members imprisoned, but surely they have to be convicted and tried in a court of law based upon evidence and not the whims and desires of a political leader? What sort of society are u calling for and supporting? Not an Islamic or democratic one it seems. *

Okay so go ahead, try them for public disturbance, promoting terrorism etc. In evidence the publications from HT can be used. I am sure you must have seen the UK TV expose by a former HT member that I am honored to know, who has been sharing this info with public at large.

*This board has laws and guidelines which are implemented to make this place a pleasant experience, what would happen if they followed your principles? *

HT do not follow anyone's principles. Maybe your halqa has not spoken about it but you do realize that HTbelieve that theya re under no obligation to follow the laws of what they consider "dar ul harb" and that they can engage in any illegal activities, tax evasion, benefits cheating, theft, smuggling, black marketing, you name it, fi it helps them in their goals.

Also on the last day we will be accountable for all of our actions, so as your Muslim brother who loves u and wants the best for u in this life and the next I advice you not to call for the imprisonment of your brothers who have not committed any crime or broken any law.

The fact that they have taken impressionable kids, and brainwashed them, taking them away from their loved ones, stealing their future from them is enough of a crime in my eyes. HT leaders do ned to be imprisoned as they support breaking laws, and as I noted in my previous message, the avg brainwashed footsoldier needs to be rehabed to become a productive member of society

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Ehsan not to forget that cultish halqa system that is used with halqas of different levels who know different aspects of this organizations, and how the inter halqa communication takes place. Bears a striking resemblance to the freemasons and how their lodges operate, whether they are blue lodges or at various other levels in the organization.

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Jazakh'ALLAH khair brother, from what i have seen, they are the main ones who are looking out for thier brothers and sisters from the political fascists, racists and savages. An imam who speaks of jihad is liable to imprisonment yet a bnp member who made the comment that muslims should be gunned down in the mosque can get away with it. shows you the double standards... :)

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Nice try, HT members talk about killing all 'kafirs' in UK, taking over UK, etc all the time.

These HT people are the last people we Muslims 'need' at this moment.

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you know i have never heard them saying this, are you on about the ones in the uk? and if they talk about killing all kaffirs for no reason someone give me some proof to see! also im not a member of the hizb uh tahrir folks! i have heard them saying they want a caliphate but whats wrong with that? democracy?~! :)

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balle balle!!! :nuch: :aejaz:

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You have got HT mixed up with Al-muhajiroon (sp?)

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probably because of a common link in that cartoon who founded al mohajiroun, he came from HT. That clown did influence HT quite significantly in UK. Hizb has tried to try and become squeeky clean over the last few years and a little easy on rhetorric, but anyone who has seen the tapes of their conferences, and remember reading their brochures just from a few years ago, or has dealt with their bigots on Uk campuses knows the real face of this group, no matter how much window dressing they try to put on now.