Re: black salafi imam: arabs are the 'master race'
similar to any other imperialist so why single out arabs only ? even if we accept ur version completely
Do you see me praising other imperialists? All this time I've been talking about how the French went around destroying native cultures left and right. The only reason I focus on the Arabs is because their form cultural imperialism directly impacts my life, and the topic of this thread is the Arabization of Islam.
i am not imitating them at all i.e modern arabs] thats ur wrong assumption, i am very clear about what rolemodels i have ......and this ayyashi started not just in modern time but in a way never was completely eradicated even in Prophet[saw]'s time
The Prophet and his companions didn't walk around in keffiyehs speaking Modern Standard Arabic. People have a tendency to wrongly believe that aping modern Gulf Arab language/customs is somehow copying the ways of the Prophet.
turks couldnt care less what the conquered people spoke as long as they paid the taxes , how is that better than introducing a new language?
Exactly. The Turks ruled over their conquered people without feeling the need to 'Turkify' them or destroy their existing culture. It's a much more benign form of imperialism than that practiced by the Arabs, the Spaniards, the French, etc...
so your problem with the arabs is mostly why they "imposed " their language on the other cultures in middleeast? a part of it was also due to the spread of islam as arabs did bring a new religion and the turks did not ....also u seriously dont think that arabs just spread islam by sword in such vast lands?
When did I ever say Islam was always spread by the sword??? Now you're just putting words in my mouth. And as far as bringing a new religion is concerned, as I have already pointed out, the spread of religion is somewhat independent of the spread of language/culture. Egypt was probably Arabized before it became a largely Muslim state...much of North Africa started to speak French, but never really converted to Catholicism during the colonial period, etc.
Furthermore, the Turks did introduce Islam to Eastern Europe. Remember...Bosnia, Kosovo, and Albania became Muslim under Ottoman rule. And yet, the Turkish language wasn't forced on any of these people...once again, the Turks weren't as malignant an influence as the Arabs were.
My problem with Arabs is twofold. First, they practiced a malignant form of imperialism, whereby they felt the need to destroy the native cultures of their conquered peoples and force them to Arabize...to the point where native Egyptian or Palestinian/Phonecian culture hasn't even survived in the remotest, most backward villages...even illiterate farmers speak to their children in Arabic. Second, they have a tendency to legitimize their actions by claiming that their culture is somehow more Islamic than any other, as if somehow their cultural practices are part of Islam. That form of cultural imperialism continues on today.
Arab imperialism is long dead.
See above.
Arab cultural imperialism and monopolization of Islam lives on to this day.
How quick? Persians didn't really become a converted people until the 10th century...why was that?
Actually, the Persians didn't fully convert till around the 11th century.
Arab rule, however, lasted no more than 200 years. By the mid 9th century, a number of largely independent Persian/Central Asian states had sprung up in defiance of central Abbasid rule. Less than a century later, it was the Iranian Buyids were controlling the Abbasid throne itself.
So is Urdu...Turkish was written in Arabic script as well...in spite of the fact that the Turks ruled over the Arabs for a large period of time.
I already said Turkish was written in Arabic script. However, the Arabs themselves had precious little to do with the development of both Ottoman Turkish and Urdu. Whatever Arabic influence there is in these languages came via Persian...likely because of the fact that Persian essentially came to be the lingua franca of the Muslim world (rather, the Muslim world east of Baghdad) from the 10/11th century to the dawn of the colonial era...just as French was the formal language of royal courts from Paris to Moscow, Persian was adopted as the 'darbari zabaan' from Anatolia to Bengal.
The Arabic influence on Persian, however, is a direct consequence of the Arab colonization of Iran.