Black coats: Iftikhar kay chailay Aitezaz kay sathi

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Black coats of Pakistan are black sheep of society. They are just like Iftikhar and Aitezaz. One can imagine that if ordinary lawyers are little devils and behave as the news mentions, than how big the devil their leader Aitezaz could be and how super devil their King Iftikhar Chaudhri could be.

Think before tossing coin at lawyers’ boss -DAWN - National; September 14, 2008
Think before tossing coin at lawyers’ boss:

LAYYAH, Sept 13: A clerk had to pay heavily for tossing a coin towards district bar president at a post office counter with lawyers passing a resolution to condemn the ‘misbehaviour’ of state officials and postal staff staging a token strike against police and black coats.

Reports said bar president Sheikh Saifullah Saeed visited the GPO to dispatch some legal notices to Multan on Friday morning. The booking clerk, Muhammad Naeem, who was performing dual duty as one of his colleagues was on leave, tossed a Rs2 coin as balance towards the lawyer who was in no mood to take such ‘rude behaviour’.

A verbal quarrel ensued between the clerk and the lawyer which soon turned into a scuffle. The situation turned uglier when, according to Mr Saeed, two other officials came to support their colleague and one of them slapped the lawyer and tore off his shirt.

Mr Saeed informed his colleague of the incident several of whom rushed to the GPO to ‘rescue’ him.

Liaquat Ali, the senior postmaster, told Dawn that he ordered the clerk to apologise to the lawyer and he did so, meanwhile some 20 to 30 black coats stormed the post office, dragged out the clerk, and bundled him into a police van after giving him a good thrashing. Later, the post office staff closed the GPO and went to the police station for lodging their version of the complaint.

Saddar DSP Malik Liaquat and city SHO Muhammad Ashraf tried to persuade the lawyers to accept the apology of postal clerk to settle the matter but they left the police station agitating against both officials.

Mr Saeed moved the sessions court seeking orders to register a case against the clerk. The plea was granted by the court and city police complied.

On Saturday, the GPO officials went on a strike to protest against the lawyers and local police which refused to accommodate their version. Postal deliveries came to a halt and the candidates of supplementary matriculation examinations could not get their roll number slips.

On the other hand, DBA adopted a resolution against ‘rude behaviour’ of the govt officials, and against police.—FAREEDULLAH CHAUDHRY

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Re: Black coats: Iftikhar kay chailay Aitezaz kay sathi

What a dumb post! With that logic, every MQM member is also a murderer, criminal and a extortionist just because alot of other party members engage in such things! Try harder Saleem bhai.

bridal dress... what colours are in?
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Sa1eem bhai, please don't clutch at straws. By the same token even Army can be called many many names as army has shown worse behavior than this atleast in Karachi. Many reports were heard when army was present in Karachi in 90s of when a police mobile stopped an army-man in plain dress and tried to investigate him the army-man then slapped police-man which turned all police from the mobile towards the plain-dressed army-man. Army man then left the place and stormed the police station with his truck-load of armymen and trashed the place and policemen in the station. Should we conclude the same about whole army similarly?

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^ It happens everywhere, I know a captain from E&ME corps, who was stopped over by a polciya at a check point for inspection, he refused and so the police forcibly searched his car. He came back with his jawans and they beat up the 4-5 polciyaz at the chouki. This however does not imply that the entire corps is like that, unless we think like sa1eem bhai :hehe:

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Why Iftikhar and Aetzaz only, why not Dogar as well? Or don't you consider him as part of the black sheep community.

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Perhaps our brother Sa1eem does not consider Dogar as "Black Coat"/part of judicial system :D

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Pakistani Lawyers at their best, doing some creative work so that their King can get his lost Kingdom back :).

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6220/lawyersforpeacecx8.jpg

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When was this pic taken? Any link shink?

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You are right but army do not say that they are guardian of laws. Actually, army anywhere in the world is violators of law and guardian of brute force. If country is in danger, they act legally or illegally to safeguard the country regardless of laws in their own country, and when they invade, they violate all laws of country they invaded. Lawyer job is to follow laws and defend laws.

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Did you read my post? Army wasn't really protecting the fellow countrymen when they thrashed the policemen, trashed the police station etc.

EDIT: Lawyers job is to get others justice in a court of law or to defend their client in court of law. "To follow laws" is everyone's job.

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Yaar, may yahi kah raha hoon. Army kee training houtee hay aggression and it is expected of them. That is why they are not dealt with like civilians. Their policing is done by 'Military police' and their courts are martial court, and they get court martial for breaking laws. In most developed countries, when they are in uniform, they are kept separate from civilians, because it is easy for them to violates country laws while in uniform.

~*~ Time Pass June 2012 ~*~
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so we are on same page, our army is not really to protect Pakistan's citizens, is that right then?

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How can you assume that? I did not say that Pakistan army do not protect Pakistani citizens. Actually army protects citizens of their country indirectly, as they defend the country and thus protect well being of citizens by keeping them safe from outside aggressions. Nevertheless, Pakistani army (and most if not all third world armies) occasionally protects citizens directly too. Reason is that, those who should protect citizens in third world countries (police, judiciary and politicians) are those who actually loot, plunder, intimidate, harass, and cause miseries to citizens, so Army comes in to help and protect citizens directly from these crooks, occasionally giving these crooks what they really deserve.

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^ I take it that includes people like Altaf Hussain, Chaudhry Shujaat, Shortcut Aziz, Malik Qayum, Farooq Sattar too.

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If army thrashes people of its own country because one of their man's ego got hurt what does that tell you?

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Some people write on forums and talk on media as if they really want independent judiciary and no one else wants independent judiciary. To them, independence of judiciary is reinstatement of Iftikhar. Fact is that, Iftikhar Chaudhari was a corrupt thug who was not even worthy of the post he held. Whoever thinks of him as independent judge does not want independent judiciary but wants a judiciary full of corrupts and thugs who does nepotism, corruption and misuse power. Unfortunately, it is those who do not want independence of judiciary, corrupts and criminal minded people, they are today shouting for independence of judiciary to fool the world, but what they mean is reinstatement of Ch Iftikhar, their brother in misuse of power and nepotism, a judge corrupt to the core, who these people respect because they are like him. When I hear someone talking about Iftikhar and at the same time independence of judiciary, I feel laughing.

Independence of judiciary can only come if judges respect merit, do not do nepotism, do not misuse power, do not do misconduct, and are not corrupt. Those who want or care for independent judiciary would have supported President Musharraf action of sending reference against Iftikhar to SJC and suspension of Iftikhar during that investigation. They should have patiently waited for SJC report without doing all those ‘bhangra on road’ and should have respected the investigation of SJC. If Iftikhar was not guilty of allegations he would have come out head high and if he was, he would have got sacked. That would have been the best for independence of Judiciary. If that would have happened than it would have become history, a precedent, and after that, no Judge would have dared to overstep laws, or would have done nepotism, corruption, misuse of power, misconduct, etc. No Judge knowing that his name could be sent to SJC, even after years, would have taken incentive from government or bribe from anyone to do something wrong, not only ensuring independence of Judiciary forever, but a judiciary corruption free (something people behind Iftikhar never want in Pakistan, as their own interest get effected).

When any news or allegation of corruption, misuse of power, misconduct, bribe, or nepotism of a judge comes than this should happen, that the Judge should get suspended and reference is sent to SJC for proper investigation, however trivial the allegation be, and report of that investigation should get published. In light of the investigation, concern judge should get sacked or get reinstated. As for Ch Iftikhar, allegation against him was not one but 100s, including nepotism, bribe, misuse of power, corruption, misconduct, and many more. Supreme Court stopped SJC from investigating Iftikhar and that was itself corruption of Supreme Court judges who took that illegal decision. Ideally, all who were responsible for such decision should also have got suspended and investigation should have started on them. If that would have happened than no crook on post of a Judge or Chief Justice would have used the influence of their office to promote his children, get facilities wrongfully, taken bribe to have good cars, misused power to harass others, etc (what Iftikhar was alleged of doing).

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Those people who think Iftikhar is corrupt and criminal should also wonder why he was not prosecuted after Nov 3. It only goes to show that some dictator was happy with him as long as Iftikhar licked the boots. If Iftikhar had taken oath on Nov 3 some people would've been okay with him today.

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Actually I think I did answered your this question. Anyhow, Pakistan does not belong to dictator nor he loses anything personal if Pakistan gets looted or if Pakistanis want corrupts as Judges. I do not think that prosecution was on agenda from the beginning, even in March 2007, rather purpose of sending reference to SJC was to exonerate Iftikhar of all allegations if he was innocent, or get him leave the post as CJ if he was guilty of allegations against him.

‘Bhangra on road’ caused mayhem in the country and forced SC judges to order SJC to stop investigation Iftikhar and recommended to get him reinstated. After that decision by SC, Musharraf stopped SJC to investigate Iftikhar and reinstated him as CJ (regardless of him being innocent of allegations on him or not). But Itikhar was intelligently nanga, so he thought that he has become emperor and brought his own downfall. After Iftikhar got technical knockout on 3rd of November, there was no need to prosecute him, as purpose for reference was not prosecution but cleaning Judiciary of corruption. On the other hand, prosecution would have been revenge exercise and great person like Musharraf never showed any germs of revenge, something only lowly (ghatia) people show. Musharraf always showed character of forgiving and forgetting. This is the reason Ganja is alive today and Zardari is free to become President.

[We should remember that according to Pakistani constitution, President appoints and sacks judges, including CJ. Musharraf could have sacked Iftikhar even after SC judgment, on pretext that his person has become too political for the post. Actually even after SJC investigation, it is not SJC who sack judges but they only pass their investigation and recommendation to President and in the end President decides to accept their recommendation or reject it]

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Bottomline: Musharraf wanted him out of his way to retain kursi for extended time regardless of how many crooks, corrupts or criminals he had to let go unaccounted, not-prosecuted.

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Re: Black coats: Iftikhar kay chailay Aitezaz kay sathi

Saleem has problems with lawyers doing 'bhangra' on the road, but has no problems with our ex-FBR chairman doing lavish mujras infront of drunkards, at the Army house.