BJP wing’s hand suspected in Samjhauta bombing

CM · October 20, 2009, 5:49am

DAWN.COM | World | BJP wing?s hand suspected in Samjhauta bombing

DAMN! DAMN! DAMMN!

bittu · October 20, 2009, 6:19am

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so...you must be very happy that at last your people are not the only one in the race......

Maverick_27 · October 20, 2009, 8:41am

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Col shankar parohut was the master mind ...........

bittu · October 20, 2009, 1:52pm

why are you so sure.....

Mr_Dee · October 20, 2009, 6:54pm

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CM, are you talking about this Hindu jihadi group?

The Hindu : Front Page : Behind Sanatan Sanstha’s spiritual veil, a militarist face
…]Despite credible allegations that the Sanstha has coerced and harassed followers seeking to leave its ranks, branches have sprung up across Maharashtra, in several major cities nationwide, and even in the United States, the United Kingdom and Australia.

Behind the outfit’s idiosyncratic facade, though, is an ugly militarist face. Last year, Sanstha-linked Dharmashakti Sena chief Vinay Palwalkar proclaimed a coming apocalyptic war: “the war of the future will be a Dharamyudh, and the Dharamshakti Sena will be its guiding force.” …]"

Tommy · October 20, 2009, 9:11pm

this is what happens when you send terrorists across the border and create mayhem… yeah some extremists might retaliate..

Mr_Dee · October 20, 2009, 9:48pm

Hindu jihadis killing other Hindus (not to mention their brutality against Christians and Muslims...)

Your choice, go ahead and keep retaliating ....LOL.

Tommy · October 20, 2009, 9:55pm

cmon i myself is a christian... incidents do happen.. but they are very few.. . and at some point i am sure it would stop ... it is the same like shia vs sunni vs ahmadiya and other non-related religions... but either way it is not as prevalent as it is in pakistan though..

bittu · October 21, 2009, 4:33pm

but i cannot find any muslim or christian who has migrated from india in last 60 years after partition....can you confirm the same about your pakistan and other islamic states...

Mr_Dee · October 21, 2009, 5:23pm

Bittu you should open your eyes and come out of this state of denial, don’t make us laugh!

In the meanwhile read this and ask yourself few objective questions…

‘Maharashtra fast turning into a right-wing terror hub’ - India - The Times of India]('Maharashtra fast turning into a right-wing terror hub' | India News - Times of India)

*MUMBAI: Whether it was the 2008 Kanpur blast or the one in Goa the previous week, their common links have been traced to Maharashtra. Senior police officials and retired cops say the state is fast becoming a hub of right-wing organisations’ terror activities as most of these outfits are based in the state. Moreover, the state has been most affected by foreign organisations’ terror strikes.

“Most Hindu hardline organisations are Maharashtra-based. The purported objective of these outfits seems to avenge the series of attacks on Mumbai,” said V N Deshmukh, former joint director Intelligence Bureau who retired as the state intelligence chief. Deshmukh said it was time the state banned Sanatan Sanstha, whose members are allegedly involved in Goa blasts. The organisation had made headlines last year during blasts in Thane and Panvel theatres.

aam_bandha · October 21, 2009, 6:24pm

Talk about living in state of denial !!! The news item you have pasted is from an Indian newspaper and shows how the agencies are working towards eleminating these terror suspects …

While across the border … the government is hell bent upon playing the blame game … Please tell this Rehman Malik why he did not show this proof when Indian PM meet with his PM in Egypt …

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | ?We are aware of Indian involvement in Balochistan?

He added that Pakistan is well aware of the Indian involvement in Balochistan and if given the opportunity, they will present officials in New Delhi with concrete evidence

But then i guess there isn’t much he can do … when Iran is now openly accusing … you guessed it ISI …

Mr_Dee · October 21, 2009, 6:43pm

There is a separate thread about this in Pakistan Forum, discuss it there...

As for the rest, it is your standard answer to every incident we point to. Yeah yeah india is at least working on that and will soon overcome it ...yada yada yada..

When? in 3000 years?

You claim to be the most clean and fair country in the world AFA terrorism is concerned and EVERYDAY we are showing you, how far is this from the truth.

Aam Bandha, open your eyes and get out of this state of denial, it will not do you any good. Take the advice of your own people who are telling how fast this Hindu jihadism is spreading in india...you still have a chance!

aam_bandha · October 21, 2009, 7:00pm

India's problems are India's problem and Pakistan's problems are Pakistan's problem .... when Pakistan's problem become problem for India, Afghanistan and Iran .... then we raise these issues.

As regards claim of a clean and fair country .... no one has made any such claims ... though i might say with Pakistan is the neighbourhood ... India's terror acts look like walk in the park :D

As regards taking advice of our "own people" ... well advice is being taken and acted upon as i have shown you time & again. That is why terrorist activites like Punjab and kashmir have been controlled and will be done in future also. Wish i could say the same for India's neighbour.

So stop worrying about hindu terror .... you gotta a bigger problem at hand ...take care of that before you even glance over.

CM · October 22, 2009, 10:22am

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Decided its not worth it.

bittu · October 23, 2009, 1:54am

I do not deny anything...i am asking if you find any migration of minorities from india....

it is very common when the majority harrases the minority sections...automatically the minority sections start looking for some better options...it has happened very often in your theocratic states, instead you have a better record of harrasing the minorities.

so give me some data of migration from india to prove your point...

even from kashmir the muslim community has not migrated....but the hindu community has run away from kashmir...do you require proofs....

ps..you can escape this question, as you do very often when cannot confront some real issues.

happyheart · October 30, 2009, 1:10pm

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Hindu extremist elements are having free hand and are even protected by Indian government
its such a shame to this "big" nation nothing is solved in India only fingerpointing to Pakistan to solve the problems they cannot even solve the Samjhauta Express terrorist act by Extremist Hindu's.

aam_bandha · October 30, 2009, 1:20pm

Samjautha Express blast was carried out by Lashkar e Toiba militants based in Pakistan .... the world knows about it ... but it seems you still need an axe to grind !!!!!

hollowman · October 30, 2009, 1:23pm

but we will have to fight really hard to compete them, I do not see any chance in near future… they are very professionals

happyheart · October 30, 2009, 1:28pm

Can you read English? You can? Well i bet u do not have the guts to read this:

Samjhauta and Sabarmati Express

Two burning coaches five years apart and a single theory. The theory zeroes in on a conspiracy to foment communal troubles. In the case of the Samjhauta Express, purportedly to dampen the spirit of Bhai ï¿½ Bhai developing between Hindustan and Pakistan.

The greater majority of the casualties were poor Pakistanis returning home from a visit to India. Going by the theories put forward, would this mean that Islamic fundamentalists were prepared to use their own compatriots as cannon fodder to sabotage the peace process?

One of the survivors claimed that he saw two persons get off the train just before the bomb blasts. The implication: that the persons who planted the bombs got away to save their own skins. This statement has been countered by a railways personnel who claims that it was impossible for anyone to get off safely with the speed at which the train was traveling.

From across the border came a reaction: similar view point in a different context: that perhaps it is the Hindu fundamentalists who also sought to sabotage the peace process or perhaps to stem the Paki influx via the train.

Which ever argument one accepts, can the same be applied to an earlier tragic burning coach?

The S-6 of the Sabarmati Express February 2002 has vitiated the atmospherics in Gujarat, despite all the show casing of expensive development pies-in-the-development-sky by Chief Minister Narendra Modi over five long years, without being able to wash out the Lady Macbethian blood stains from his bloodied hands.
As another anniversary of the tragic burning of the Sabarmati Express and the subsequent Godhra riots rolls around, one stands to ponder.

Within hours of the tragedy, netas were hollering that the ISI and its henchmen had masterminded the arson which took 66 lives in the ill fated coached and thousands in the riots that followed.

One wonders: would the ISI or any of the jehadi outfits named have had the audacity to use as cannon fodder Ram Sewaks returning from Karsewa? Would they have dared? More importantly, could they have actually organized such a daring do?

And if not, then just as the Islamic jehadis purportedly used their own compatriots as cannon fodder to achieve a higher goal, could it have been a similar operation in 2002 for the higher goal of social engineering which has been underway in Gujarat since the BJP swept in almost two decades ago?

Most of those who died in the burning coach were members of a raucous group of kar sewaks who were put into the train without reservations or tickets; many actually displaced ticket holding passengers with reservations, on the basis of plain bullying and dadagiri.

The death toll and casualty lists revealed that most of those who survived were higher rungs of the outfits that organized the trip and most of those who died were poor people from urban slums etc who had been enticed into kar sewa with the promise of payments and future benefits.

Surely the souls of those who died, like the famous Panchal couple must be grinning from ear to ear, looking down at their four nubile daughters who have become VHP heroines, who grace most of their lavish functions; they are ensconced in a well appointed home, each doing high end courses which will propel them into wealthy Yuppiedom with the sage advise from VHP advisors who have invested their quite substantial death benefits.

No Muslim victim of the Godhra riots has had similar good luck, not even the infamous Zahirra Shaikh who was ill-advised and is now suffering in a Mumbai jail for her frequent vaults on the witness stand.

The major beneficiary of the Godhra riots has been the party that won the polls immediately after: the BJP led by Narendra Modi.

Although the toll of the Samjautha Express was higher at 66, sanity held on and no outbreak of violence took place as a ï¿½public reactionï¿½ to the incident, as in the case of Godhra.

One wonders: was it mere fatigue from the Hindu extremist lobby which has just tired of shouting itself hoarse over the influx from Bangladesh?

In the earlier incident, while the fire in the coach was put out by about 11 a.m., by noon, the chief minister had flown into Godhra for a dekho and announced the conspiracy angle. By 4 oï¿½clock, violence was well underway and serious massacres took place overnight with specific targeting of Muslim homes and establishments.

Later in the face of outrage, it was said that the violence was the handiwork of ï¿½outside elementsï¿½, not any locals. One wonders:

Since there is no record of any planeloads of goons landing in Ahmedabad or any other Gujarat airport on that fateful day, which train or how many trucks could have possibly brought in all those ï¿½outside ï¿½ marauders who wrecked havoc with the social fabric of Gujarat in that week of bleeding and fiery trauma ?

Ever since, the Gujarat governmentï¿½s attorneys have been somersaulting all over the rooms of the Nanavati-Shah commission, trying to establish a conspiracy theory: that the crowd that allegedly collected near the tracks outside the Godhra station was supposed to have thrown in inflammable material and fire bombs along with stones at the S 6 coach.

An earlier expert railways commission had found this theory untenable. And so has the Jan Morcha arguing the case on behalf of the victims. But the Nanavati commission hearings are still underway five years after the incident. Will the victims have to wait for this exercise to end to avail of the benefits promised?

The day the Samjhauta Express burnt, many in Gujarat waited with bated breath throughout the day. Would the public react with fury as it had done in Gujarat in 2002? Would the government be as helpless in stemming the tide as it had been then? Which government?

D?j? vu: Samjhauta and Sabarmati Express by Kusum Choppra

Well when someone is brainwashed all his/her life then its hard to get anything sensible in his/her head but we are doing our best to discuss the issue with facts and prove not just shouting lies in the air.

happyheart · October 30, 2009, 1:30pm

Well you are doing a very good job.
The biggest democraZy is selling lies.
wow fooling the world
thats a great achievement i must admit.