‘Musalmano ka ek hi hal, bister utha Rai-wand chal’
That reminded me an incident told by a friend about his colleague. The guy was in tableeghi jama’at and used to visit Madni Masjid each Thursday evening irrespective of the commitment ( urgent assignment of a client). His boss reminded him of his duty towards clients, but was of no use. He also consumed privilege leave for some chilla program and then demanded for leave to go Rai-wand. The leave was not approved, as he already consumed his Privilege leave. On the due date, he was on his journey to Rai-wand leaving beside his family (wife and daughters alone). His boss contacted his family and they told that he had not given them his contact number as per tableeghi jama’at rules. He was finally terminated on the charges of irresponsibility.
How do you think the positive role of Tableeghi Jama’at’s in our society?
Do you agree with the attitude of the guy I mentioned above?
Do you think that being disconnected from family (without giving them contact) is a feasible and justified option (considering the law-in- order situation)?
No contact number ?
My taya’s ,chacha’s cousins , mamo etc all give their numbers.But just tell us not to call unless its urgent.
They do NOT leave behind their official responsibilities.
They go for chilla on their annual leave when its possible, else they dont go.
The guys attitude isnt a representation of tableeghi jama’at attitude.
The jama’at has people from all walks of life.
No contact number ?
My taya's ,chacha's cousins , mamo etc all give their numbers.But just tell us not to call unless its urgent.
They do NOT leave behind their official responsibilities.
They go for chilla on their annual leave when its possible, else they dont go.
The guys attitude isnt a representation of tableeghi jama'at attitude.
The jama'at has people from all walks of life.
but how could not a wife with young daughters could avoid contacting husband in Karachi's circumstances?
I know its not the representation, but our society do follow everything in extremes. There are those who are just Muslims on their ID Cards and there are those, who don't fulfill their responsibilities towards humans by considering themselves responsible for spreading Allah's message.
but how could not a wife with young daughters could avoid contacting husband in Karachi's circumstances?
I know its not the representation, but our society do follow everything in extremes. There are those who are just Muslims on their ID Cards and there are those, who don't fulfill their responsibilities towards humans by considering themselves responsible for spreading Allah's message.
That is the individual's mistake.
The people I mentioned go overseas,yet they arent out of touch.
What the man did was wrong as its his responsibility to take care of his wife and daughter.
No..i'm not defending the jama'at.I'm only saying that in this case an individual's mistake should not be attributed to the jama'at as a whole.
I have heard of people leaving their pregnant wives and going for chillas, and in the end the neighbors had to take the woman to the hospital during labor.
Tableeghi jamaat is doing a good job no doubt, but I feel that some people sacrifice their haqooq ul ibad for haqooq ullah.
what do you mean by this? Does taqwa means leaving your children unattended?
taqwa or no taqwa.
We have instances in islamic history where men had to leave their families unattended and go on war.
what about when men go on business trips leaving the family unattended ?
I have heard of people leaving their pregnant wives and going for chillas, and in the end the neighbors had to take the woman to the hospital during labor.
Tableeghi jamaat is doing a good job no doubt, but I feel that some people sacrifice their haqooq ul ibad for haqooq ullah.
I totally agree with the part in bold.Its the people not the jama'at.
I know of ppl in tableeghi jama'at who eat up others money , are into black market stuff and all tht.Then, I know of ppl in tableeghi jama'at who are very good as per dunyawi standards as well as deeni standards.
That is the individual's mistake.
The people I mentioned go overseas,yet they arent out of touch.
What the man did was wrong as its his responsibility to take care of his wife and daughter.
No..i'm not defending the jama'at.I'm only saying that in this case an individual's mistake should not be attributed to the jama'at as a whole.
But why Jama'at put a rule for not contacting your dear ones when you are on tableeghi mission? Does this make someone less responsible towards tableeghi duties? The Prophet (SAW) preached, fought wars and fulfill all requirements of family life, without being disconnected. I'm surprised, whom do these people follow as a role model?
But why Jama'at put a rule for not contacting your dear ones when you are on tableeghi mission? Does this make someone less responsible towards tableeghi duties? The Prophet (SAW) preached, fought wars and fulfill all requirements of family life, without being disconnected. I'm surprised, whom do these people follow as a role model?
Maybe, the rule exists so that people dont spend ALL their time on the phone.
As I said...we have contact numbers for emergencies and We also talk to them atleast once a week (when they are on chilla)
and even in the 3 day jama'at , zaroorat parne pe ghar walay do call.
The place my sisters works at,they arent allowed to receive calls unless its urgent or in the lunch break.
In schools, Teacher's arent allowed to receive calls during class.
Maybe, the rule exists so that people dont spend ALL their time on the phone.
As I said...we have contact numbers for emergencies and We also talk to them atleast once a week (when they are on chilla)
and even in the 3 day jama'at , zaroorat parne pe ghar walay do call.
I think the people entrusted with the responsibility of preaching religion, should be enough mature to control their activities. There should be no such rule as to not give your contact number to your family. In the particular case, family of the person even approached tableeghi centre, but the contact number was given after refusal of several times 'hamen hukm nahin'.
I think the people entrusted with the responsibility of preaching religion, should be enough mature to control their activities. There should be no such rule as to not give your contact number to your family. In the particular case, family of the person even approached tableeghi centre, but the contact number was given after refusal of several times 'hamen hukm nahin'.
How do Sufis contact their families when they leave the world to jungles? And how Bulleh shah managed to look after his family when he wasted his half of life in dancing on the streets?
Bulleh Shah's sister remained celibate all her life, how did she fulfill worldly and social responsibilities?
Hundreds of families in Pakistan have only a women-head. Hundreds of family-head leave for abroad every year leaving woman as family-head. To whom we complain against them? We only show our dislikes when we see someone doing Islam.
How do Sufis contact their families when they leave the world to jungles? And how Bulleh shah managed to look after his family when he wasted his half of life in dancing on the streets?
Bulleh Shah's sister remained celibate all her life, how did she fulfill worldly and social responsibilities?
First of all two wrongs don't make a right.
Secondly, there is a difference between Sufi / Sadhoos and the one who want to fulfill their religious obligations by compromising their worldly duties.
Being celibate is an option (right or wrong), which take the person on one side, but when you select to do certain job and have responsibilities of your family on you, you can't chose to be disconnected deliberately.
Today's era provide you with multiple ways of communication and as already hilighted above by LP, some groups do connect with their family and there is no bar on connecting people.
*Secondly, there is a difference between Sufi / Sadhoos and the one who want to fulfill their religious obligations by compromising their worldly duties. *
Being celibate is an option (right or wrong), which take the person on one side, but when you select to do certain job and have responsibilities of your family on you, you can't chose to be disconnected deliberately.
Today's era provide you with multiple ways of communication and as already hilighted above by LP, some groups do connect with their family and there is no bar on connecting people.
most of the sufis claimed to be religious. they found it religious obligation to follow a pir.
most of the sufis claimed to be religious. they found it religious obligation to follow a pir.
yes, sufis follow the pir for the sake of seeking guidance. There are heads in Tableeghi jama'at too, whose orders are to be followed (including not giving contact numbers to the family of preacher).
I was reading tafseer of last rukoo of Sura-e- Al Hadeed and that contains many accounts of Christian saints who chose to be part of church and followed Ruhbaniyat by disowning families and when I hear these incidents of leaving families behind disconnected and dependent on others, I ask myself 'What is the difference between those saints and today's preachers'?
In Islam, given the choice, huqooq-ul-ibaad always are given priority over huqooq Allah. Huqooq Allah can be postponed, as Allah SWT is not dependent on anyone, but huqooq-ul-ibaad cant be put off.
Ashfaq Ahmed, in his book 'zaavia', very aptly said something similar. If you are going to the masjid to answer the call of prayer, and on the way, you find a cyclist who has fallen down and hurt himself, you cannot say "hang in there buddy while I go and finish my prayers. I will return to help you soon after".
You can go with the tableeghi jamaat on long trips only if your family is assured to be taken care of. You cannot just say "Allah kay hawalay" and leave.
He was finally terminated on the charges of irresponsibility.