Bin Laden's Endorsement of Kerry

Here’s an interesting interpretation of the latest Bin Laden video. Seems as if there is a differences in how to interpret the word “state” depending upon which of two Arabic terms are used: “ay-wilaya” versus “dawla.” According to Middle East experts, Bin Laden actually threatened any US state that voted for Bush while promising not to attack US states voting for Kerry.

November 1, 2004 – WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden warned in his October Surprise video that he will be closely monitoring the state-by-state election returns in tomorrow’s presidential race — and will spare any state that votes against President Bush from being attacked, according to a new analysis of his statement.
The respected Middle East Media Research Institute, which monitors and translates Arabic media and Internet sites, said initial translations of a key portion of bin Laden’s video rant to the American people Friday night missed an ostentatious bid by the Saudi-born terror master to divide American voters and tilt the election towards Democratic challenger John Kerry.

MEMRI said radical Islamist commentators monitored over the Internet this past weekend also interpreted the key passage of bin Laden’s diatribe to mean that any U.S. state that votes to elect Bush on Tuesday will be considered an “enemy” and any state that votes for Kerry has “chosen to make peace with us.”

Whole Story at : http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/33124.htm

Sure myvoice.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaeda" -Bin Laden

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Sure myvoice.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaeda" -Bin Laden
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Did you bother reading the article UTD? If I'm not mistaken, the quote you attribute to OBL is taken out of context. Wasn't his next sentence something like: "Your security is in your hands." Which is totally consistent with the thrust of this article.

Since I am not an Arabic scholar, I don't know if there is a difference between "ay-wilaya" versus "dawla." Maybe you think the Middle East Media Research Institute is making this up because they support Bush.

Actually i think OBL's latest video helps W more than it does Kerry, because if ppl somehow manage to see it as OBL warning them against electing Bush, people would say.."yo, we must do opposite of what he is saying cuz he wants to see us weak" and this way if they "manage" to see this is an endorsement of Kerry, Nader or Knight Rider..they will go with W.

I mean the only way it hurts W is by showing that after all the yip yap and duh and ermmms, OBL is still on the loose, healthy and bold.

Yes MV I did read it. He is referring too those that are fighting with the U.S. aka, Britain, Japan, Poland. He sees them as nothing more than satellites or puppets (aka "states") who follow the U.S.

To believe that he was referring to actual States with in the U.S. is rather silly.

I am scared that they are trying to interpret Osama's words as if he is speaking scripture & more surprised that Americans take such 'interpretations' seriously. Last time I checked, Osama had little in terms of Arabic language depth and a lot of rednecksish bullying followed by praising the Lord, which is found in abundance on USA AM radio waves.

This so-called October surprise is more interesting than intimidating, where for the first time he talks about policies & security rather than to be scared, hate & scripture. I doubt it will effect the election more than 2%, which for some might be critical. I like it cos it shuts up those who think Osama is already in US/Pakistan custody and will be brought up right before elections, and also those who said where is the proof that he was the ‘master mind’ behind 9/11.

Who paid me to release the video? Some say Republicans even tried to prevent to air the video, some say it helps BuSH some say it helps Karry, others say it helps NONE.....YOU guyz better decide now and give some credible reasons to back up your statements til then Ill be OFF watching FAHRENHEIT 911 aired live on my local TV Channel!!!

God bless Michael MOORE!

lets not be that gullible ahmajdee.. earlier 'confession videos' by the same guy were found to be lame forgeries.. just one instance is enough to cast a doubt towards these videos and the actual intent behind it..

Bin Laden was a CIA asset.. I dont' think he ever got fired.. he's doing a bang up job now!

I like Safires’ take on this:

Osama Casts His Vote
By WILLIAM SAFIRE

Published: November 1, 2004

Washington

The big news in Osama bin Laden’s message to American voters was not his intercession in our election; that clumsy ploy was not as successful as his pre-election panicking of Spain’s voters.

Nor was the news his delight in the “pet goat” sequence in Michael Moore’s Bush-bashing film, and his admonition that “Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you,” echoing the central Kerry theme. Nor was it the frustrating fact that our Global Enemy No. 1 is alive and well and still at large.

The unremarked news is that this mass murderer evidently seeks a kind of truce. Although some coverage of his pre-election message noted an unexpected “conciliatory tone,” we have not fixed on the reason for this change in his attitude.

“Each state that does not harm our security will remain safe,” bin Laden promised, which was “why we did not attack Sweden, for example.” His unmistakable import: if the U.S. were to stop our war on Qaeda terror, which has killed or captured an estimated 75 percent of his closest collaborators, that would be what he called “the ideal way to avoid another Manhattan …” Stop warring on terror and you will “remain safe.”

Generals do not call for a truce when they’re winning. Only warriors thrust on the defensive become conciliatory, hoping that negotiations will give them time to regroup and resupply. Bin Laden’s vain hope seems to be that the defeat of Bush will give him time to buy or steal a horrific weapon as an “equalizer.”

Bin Laden was the second outsider to try to influence our election in an “October surprise.” I suspect the first was Mohamed ElBaradei, the chief U.N. arms inspector, said to be miffed at the Bush administration’s refusal to support his bid for an unprecedented third term.

He has long known about the presence of “nuclear trigger” explosives (evidence of Saddam’s nuclear ambitions?) in one of Iraq’s thousands of ammo dumps. But, The Wall Street Journal reports that with exquisite political timing, on Oct. 1 ElBaradei sent a “reminder” to a Baathist science minister renewing the U.N. interest in these particular explosives. That produced a dutiful letter from the Iraqi bureaucrat to the U.N. nine days later that was promptly leaked to CBS News, which apparently turned to the more credible New York Times to do most of the reporting.

CBS originally admitted intending to break its surprise accusations about our troops’ failure to secure the ammo on “60 Minutes” on Oct. 31, last night, only 36 hours before polls opened. Journalists call that hyping device a “keeper” - holding a story for the moment when it causes the most damage - which the victim cannot refute until after Election Day, by which time it’s too late. (Now CBS claims that the network would never have done such a nefarious thing. Maybe, maybe not; that plan should be part of the investigation by CBS’s panel looking into forged National Guard documents.)

The Times, to its ethical credit, refused to go along with CBS’s planned last-minute ambush and instead front-paged its article one week ago. (Besides, competition was surfacing on the Internet.) That time enabled other network news organizations to cast doubt on the story. In addition, making our forces in the field look bad did not sit well, and the Pentagon was able to show that the 400 tons possibly missed by our advancing troops was one one-thousandth of the 400,000 tons found, secured or destroyed by the coalition.

What effect will these two manipulations by outsiders have on America’s election decision tomorrow?

Until it was partly discredited, the product of ElBaradei’s shrewd “reminder” damaged Bush by putting him on the defensive, giving Democrats a final-week boost. If Kerry wins, the Egyptian should be chief U.N. inspector for life.

But then came the Qaeda tape, followed by Bush’s cool, nonpolitical response, and then by Kerry’s blunder in trying to capitalize on it. Bin Laden’s latest misreading of American public opinion plays to Bush’s antiterrorist strength.

For now, bin Laden’s unwelcome intercession is taken to be anti-Bush overkill. Coming from the fugitive terrorist, it will help ensure the president’s re-election. Later, we will understand bin Laden’s phony attempt at conciliation to be his first sign of weakness.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/01/opinion/01safire.html?hp

If my family had invested at United Defense I’m pretty sure I would also attack and threat America.

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Yes MV I did read it. He is referring too those that are fighting with the U.S. aka, Britain, Japan, Poland. He sees them as nothing more than satellites or puppets (aka "states") who follow the U.S.

To believe that he was referring to actual States with in the U.S. is rather silly.
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When did YOU become an arabic language scholar? For the time-being, I'll consider the Middle East Media Research Institute a slightly better source of arabic interpretation than you if you don't mind.

what surprises me is that Bin Laded reads writes and speaks English.. then why deliver a supposed message to the US population in Arabic :konfused:

I guess so it leaves enough room to create bogus interpretations.. don’t even try mv.. it has been done before..

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When did YOU become an arabic language scholar? For the time-being, I'll consider the Middle East Media Research Institute a slightly better source of arabic interpretation than you if you don't mind.
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This is a good example of when ppl start thinking more with brains as more liberal how they are rejected by the society.

It is in OBL's best interest to see the crusading cowboy back in office as he is the best recruitment tool he could hope for. This video helps Bush and if he is smart enough to evade this country for 3 years and continually taunt us, then surely he is smart enough to know this.

OG Bhaijaan,

The article actually talks very little about Bin Laden’s tape, only the first few paragraphs & then goes on about something different. Anyway, articles like these show that Americans haven’t quiet grasped the idea of terrorism, the organizations behind them and how to fight against it. They consider such organizations as Al-Qaida to be sophisticated networks of highly qualified evil people, pretty much like the Hollywood movies. And so there are talks of interpretations, master minds, generals, regrouping etc. Consequently, they are optimistic about their hero!

Have you ever thought about why Osama is still at large? Other than blaming Iraq war or that Pakistani Army is not doing the job right or the Afghan difficult landscape .. the bottom line is that he has ground support. If a secular, Taliban hating, Afghan dude has to choose between telling US soldiers if he spotted Osama or giving them the opposite direction, he will certainly choose the opposite direction. And there is not a single policy in Bush or Kerry’s agenda that have yet tried to change that ground reality.

So, Osama might be dead in a few months or years & so will his counter parts but there is very little doubt in my mind that another Osama might spring up. I agree with Osama this much that as far as security is concerned it really doesn’t matter who is the President.

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I agree with Osama this much that as far as security is concerned it really doesn’t matter who is the President.
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As long as an Osama is at hand.

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It is in OBL's best interest to see the crusading cowboy back in office as he is the best recruitment tool he could hope for. This video helps Bush and if he is smart enough to evade this country for 3 years and continually taunt us, then surely he is smart enough to know this.
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You've repeated that same refrain multiple times and it always makes me smile. As to the effect of the video on the electorate, there seems to be as much difference of opinion on that issue as there is in the choice between Kerry and Bush. Heck, even Kerry didn't know what effect it would have so he took a poll before he would make a statement. (Kinda scary that Kerry would need to find out public opinion on the video before taking a stand).

Actually, New Yorkers should probably be breathing a sigh of relief since that state will vote Kerry. They can now believe they are safe from Al Qaeda attack.

Myvoice, the author also believed that Hamas was behind the Oklahoma City bombing, take his analysis with a grain of salt.

Bush has improved OBL's standing in the Muslim world while damaging America's standing from East to West. We have very few allies and no chance of gaining any with Bush at the helm. We are separated from the rest of the world and that is exactly what bin Laden wants. All of our resources are directed toward Iraq now, probably Iran next, leaving OBL to remain free. al-Qaida's ranks have grown because of the Iraq invasion. Why would bin Laden want to risk changing all this good fortune by putting someone in the White House who said he will fight a smarter war on terror and build coaltions?

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Myvoice, the author also believed that Hamas was behind the Oklahoma City bombing, take his analysis with a grain of salt.
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Yeah, well Kerry believed he voted for the bill before he voted against it and he's still a viable candidate for President. So... what's your point?

Seriously, who believed that Hamas was behind the Oklahoma city bombing? The NY Post writer or someone at the Middle East Media Research Institute? I could care less what some idiot writer for the Post thinks just like I could care less what Dan Rather thinks.

The only thing that is of interest to me is the interpretation of the arabic language used by OBL that was done by the Middle East Media Research Institute. If you know of something that undermines the credibility of that organization or have come across evidence or charges that it is some neo-con think tank, that would be of interest to me.