Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
I have only said that he is only Mr clean because He has not started practical politics yet, He is the leader of the party because He is the chairman Deserve support of every Pakistani .
Why does he deserve the support of every Pakistani. What has he done apart from becoming chairman through a forged will.
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
If he has not started "practical politics yet" then what has he done that he "deserves support of every Pakistani"?
Because he leads a party with routs all over Pakistan .
He has great historical background from her mother side .
This is time to get rid of politicians of my age.
All failed and could do nothing .
All are trapped in their past even dirty past .
Look at Altaf ,Zardari ,Nawaz , Imran and others
All are
"Meray mazi ko andheron main daba rahnay"
We can hope from him .
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
Because he leads a party with routs all over Pakistan .
in fact he "leads" nothing.
he has been dropped into a position of leadership without having done a single thing to deserve it.
many "leaders" have "roots" all over Pakistan......that doesn't mean that all Pakistanis should support him.
He has great historical background from her mother side .
even if I agree with the "great" qualification, what does that have to do with his current ability to lead the nation? absolutely nothing.
knowledge, skill and talent is not something handed down in a "background" or, for that matter, in genes.
This is time to get rid of politicians of my age. All failed and could do nothing . All are trapped in their past even dirty past . Look at Altaf ,Zardari ,Nawaz , Imran and others All are "Meray mazi ko andheron main daba rahnay"
I agree that it is definitely time for those with your views to go.
Having said that I will also add that if Bilawal was to take honest account of his "great historical background" he would also request that we leave his maazi daba hua, bechara.
We can hope from him .
Why?
What has he done that would suggest we can have hope from him?
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
InshaAllah that’s going to happen in next elections 
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
in typical AP style......unkil disappears when he's asked serious questions.....
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
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in fact he “leads” nothing.
he has been dropped into a position of leadership without having done a single thing to deserve it.
many “leaders” have “roots” all over Pakistan…that doesn’t mean that all Pakistanis should support him.
even if I agree with the “great” qualification, what does that have to do with his current ability to lead the nation? absolutely nothing.
knowledge, skill and talent is not something handed down in a “background” or, for that matter, in genes.
I agree that it is definitely time for those with your views to go.
Having said that I will also add that if Bilawal was to take honest account of his “great historical background” he would also request that we leave his maazi daba hua, bechara.
Why?
What has he done that would suggest we can have hope from him?
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Badqasmati say
we have no big name with reliable past
So we can take some risk
You are right , It was not his age to jump into this difficult and painful game .It is always life risk for non Punjabis to lead . But he was put in this position . I personally never wished to see him in politics but he is here so I am looking at him . He is almost silent during last five years and only some formal statements from him .
Let’s wait to see when he comes out himself .
I am still supporting him for the sake of support of the party .
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
You are right , It was not his age to jump into this difficult and painful game .It is always life risk for non Punjabis to lead . But he was put in this position . I personally never wished to see him in politics but he is here so I am looking at him . He is almost silent during last five years and only some formal statements from him . Let's wait to see when he comes out himself . I am still supporting him for the sake of support of the party .
so you are conceding that he did not deserve what he got. Right?
And perhaps his father also did not deserve to be what he made himself. PPP certainly had more capable and derserving people to captain the ship.
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
Capable deserving people hOnday HoOnday see......
Now all those capable deserving people are sidelined and silenced. Bigger the chor you are bigger the reward... Raja Rental as PM is the example.
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
Bilawal can prove his critics wrong and take a stance for responsible govt and responsible actions of his party's office holders etc. if he cant do that and will just join in the status quo then he is of no use.
kinda like his cousin who writes a good story about accountability and what nots while her dear daddy's wing of the party uses my dad's commercial property as their regional offices and will not vacate.
this fascination with bhutto bloodline has to end...and if genetics is going to be the deciding factor for what someone has done for the people then lets find the bloodlines of the ppl instrumental in pak independence and make them chairperson of one party each..case closed
Hi bilawal…Is that you or daddy speaking? 
lol
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
Actually there is no doubt on him. No one is responsible for charges on others . He is only Mr Clean in Pakistani politics . Any doubt ?
but wait......either you can say that he has not begun "practical politics yet" or you can say that he is "Mr Clean in Pakistani politics"
both statements cannot be true.
in order for him to be clean he needs to be active......
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
but wait......either you can say that he has not begun "practical politics yet" or you can say that heis "Mr Clean in Pakistani politics" both statements cannot be true. in order for him to be clean he needs to be active......
You are right
But we can wish even pray for his remaining Mr Clean in Pakistani politics .Some poetry
فرض کرو ہم اہل وفا ھوں ، فرض کرو دیوانے ھوں
فرض کرو یہ دونوں باتیں جھوٹی ھوں ، افسانے ہوں
فرض کرو یہ جی کی بپتا، جی سے جوڑ سنائی ہو
فرض کرو ابھی اور ہو اتنی ، آ دھی ہم نے چھپا ئی ہو
فرض کرو تمہیں خؤش کرنے کے ڈهو نڈ ے ہم نے بہا نے ہوں
فرض کرو یہ نین تمہار ے سچ مچ کی مہ خا نے ہوں
فرض کرو یہ روگ ہو جھوٹا ، جھوٹی پیت ہماری ہو
فرض کرو اس پیت کے روگ میں ، سانس بھی ہم پہ بهاری ہو
فرض کرو یہ جوگ بجوگ کا ہم نے ڈھونگ رچا یا ہو
فرض کرو بس یہی حقیقت ، باقی سب کچھ ما یا ہو
______ ابن انشا ______
Farz karo hum ahle wafa hon, farz karo deewanay hoon
Farz karo yeh dono batein jhootee hoon afsanay hoon
Farz karo yeh jee ki bipta, jee say jorh sunai ho
Farz karo abhi or ho itni, aadhi hum nay chupai ho
...
Farz karo tumhain khush kernay kay dhoondhay humnay bahany hoon
Farz karo yeh nain tumharay such much kay maykhanay hoon
Farz karo yeh rog ho jhoota, jhooti peet hamari ho
Farz karo is peet kay rog main sans bhi hum per bhari ho
Farz karo yeh jog bajog ka hum nay dhong rachaya ho
Farz karo bus yahi haqeeqat baqi sub kuch maya ho
_______ Ibnay Inshah______
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
How is he Mr. Clean?
he is enjoying leadership of a party that he got in inheritance on some supposed will left by his mother.
sentimentalities aside, a responsible action would have been to say look, I will run for this role when i think I am ready, but am not ready, lets find someone else. Unless he really and truly believes that he has what it takes and he knows what he needs to know and has the skills, knowledge and ability to be the chairman of PPP. So either delusional, or corrupt...or a very small chance that he has what it takes and thats why he has decided to stay on as chairman
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
Because he leads a party with routs all over Pakistan .......
The party which has found, according to your own words, 'dirty broker' as interior minister? They party which is helpless against a person running it who is, according to your own words, 'trapped in his dirty past'? A party so great that it cannot even find a finance minister from its own folds?
You are worried about past of politicians and the only criteria for Bilawal's leadership potential you think is his mothers 'great historical background'? Ballay!
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He has great historical background from her mother side
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and the historical background from his paternal side?
Doesnt bear thinking about!!
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
and the historical background from his paternal side? Doesnt bear thinking about!!
That will be decided by history after them .
Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
History will not look kindly on zardari, but the point i was making is that his heritage is not a valid reason to support him; pak is not a monarchy that heritage should matter; neither are the existing roots or power a good reason. He hasnt shown anything special so far; so imo he doesnt deserve the vote any more than you or I do.
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
He hasnt shown anything special so far; so imo he doesnt deserve the vote any more than you or I do.
None of us deserves vote as we don't have surnames likes Bhutto and Sharifs.
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
History will not look kindly on zardari, but the point i was making is that his heritage is not a valid reason to support him; pak is not a monarchy that heritage should matter; neither are the existing roots or power a good reason. He hasnt shown anything special so far; so imo he doesnt deserve the vote any more than you or I do.
IK is not able to claim that ,
Heritage is always an asset of a politician
Why American selected Bush , Voted for Hlarry Clinton
It counts
And we have no one good at present
So we can look to any one .
Re: Bilwal Zardari and the ‘benefit of doubt’
^ anyone within the Bhutto family... :@: