Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
This is uncalled for...they've shown no disrespect towards her thus far. Lets please just respect and address each other in such manner, and have a civil debate. :)
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Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
Sir, ask Pakistanis in Pakistan how much respect there is for IK. Right now his support is low as ever and he is repsonsible for It only. No one else. There is no priniciple in politics, when elections are on.
look at the poll results on this board, imran khan was a favourite, followed by aitezaz and shaukat, there is no way shaukat is going to come back in politics. sio why not aitezaz and imran combo, why not approach iftikhar chaudhry, he is very well liked by the masses.
SIr Rober was winning by miles, but unfortunately he had been killed in plane crash.
I know that too, my specific question is in the decades following how many kennedys have we seen as presidential candidates for their party (not talking about primaries)
Politics is more complex than you think at times. THere are ppl who believe in traditions. And ppl make votes. Getting me?! Aitezaz has a lot of support but Is nothing without the Bhutto label or Bhuttos blood. Thats politics and even a party like PPP will never risk that.
I understand it, but dont agree with it, and think its time the party makes the right decision to move towards real democracy and not be bogged down by such traditions
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
Poor guy is barely past puberty and people want him as the next chairperson for PPP?** Isn't Fatima Bhutto also 18years old?** People need to get real...these kids are probably just done with their A-levels.
Why not Sherry Rehman? I'm asking that as a genuine question. She's quite vocal, has been all over the media, people know who she is, but perhaps a bit too volatile?
Fatima Bhutto is 25 years old - about the same age as BB when ZAB was hanged.
Bilawal Zardari is 19 years old.
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
look at the poll results on this board, imran khan was a favourite, followed by aitezaz and shaukat, there is no way shaukat is going to come back in politics. sio why not aitezaz and imran combo, why not approach iftikhar chaudhry, he is very well liked by the masses.
Sir this poll does not reflect the views of Pakistan. Understand that. I had surprises when I heard the opinion of most high, mid and low levels about their opinion. There is hardly any one supporting him in PAKISTAN. They are voters not we.
Secondly, polls was made before election campaigns had started and before BB assassination, things have changed. Trust me.
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Real democracy comes with a democratic system in the country not by boycotts or bog down traditions. Whosoever thinks the such moves are out dated needs not to vote or support such parties. Agreed?!? Musharraf is a dictator and PMLQ is his party, we are following Musharrafs traditions since May 2007.
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If, however, sense does not prevail, and PPP does want a Bhutto name to lead the party, then how about Mumtaz Bhutto? He is the head of the Bhtto clan.
They need to choose a leader fast, and someone who can condemn all the looting, thuggery, and senseless violence and destruction being carried out in their name of the PPP and criminals taking advantage of the mayhem.
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
Sir this poll does not reflect the views of Pakistan. Understand that. I had surprises when I heard the opinion of most high, mid and low levels about their opinion. There is hardly any one supporting him in PAKISTAN. They are voters not we. Secondly, polls was made before election campaigns had started and before BB assassination, things have changed. Trust me.
would you also doubt the polls thaty showed iftitkhar chodhry was the most popular person in Pakistan? sure the polls on this site dont represent Pakistani publci at large, but the public polls suggested they are big fans of aitezaz and iftikhar.
I am not disagreeing with you, the right choice is not always the most popular choice, knee jerk reaction for many ppl would eb to have bilawal as the PM, i can understand that. but would that be right for the nation.
Musharraf is a dictator and PMLQ is his party, we are following Musharrafs traditions since May 2007.
sure, but let the voting ppl decide at the polls, they can send pmlq packing and the defections from omlq are indicating that the ppl of that party are concerned
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GEO saying that most likely Sanam Bhutto will be chairwoman with Amin Fahim as Senior vice chairman.
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
Pakistan and its people are to ignorant and cursed to have educated leaders!
its better they stick to leaders like Altaf.H, Nawaz.S and Mushraf who get people killed and say they have got rid of the problems!
jahils who just make fly overs and plant trees on the roads to mislead the gullible nation while they keep on sucking the juice out of the country!
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
Peoples Party is Bhuto,s Party and Bilwal is not Bhuto ....
But Fatima Bhuto is a Bhuto and sooner or latter she will took over PPP.....I,ve read her articles and i believe she will be an asset to Pakistan .... with out Bhuto there is no Peoples party ....
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Bhutto note on party’s future to be read Sunday: Zardari
LONDON: Benazir Bhutto’s husband said in an interview Saturday that she left instructions about the future of the Pakistan People’s Party to be read in the event of her death, which would be made public Sunday. Asif Zardari said in an interview that the couple’s son would read out the message from the former prime minister and opposition leader, who was assassinated in Pakistan Thursday.
Zardari also revealed that his wife had made detailed plans for her burial, including changing the location of the plot from his family’s ancestral tomb to her family’s mausoleum following another recent suicide bomb attack. “She has left a message for the party and she has left a will, so we shall be doing that tomorrow (Sunday) after the third day (of official mourning,)” he said. “We have called for a meeting and her will be read out there and the instructions she has left will be read out there.”
Asked if he would succeed her as party leader, Zardari said: “It depends on the party and depends on the will.” Bhutto’s spokeswoman Sherry Rehman said Saturday that the PPP will decide whether to take part in January’s elections at a central executive committee meeting Sunday. Zardari also spoke of his personal sense of loss following the death of his wife, who he said meant “much more than life” to him. “I have seen many tragedies in my life… but nothing has devastated me more than this has,” he said. “We were always aware of the dangers she faced but somehow we were hoping that we would succeed and they would not – the terrorists and the people who back these terrorists.”
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
Decision on Peoples Party leadership tomorrow
Updated at Saturday, December 29, 2007 2355 PST
NAUDERO: Central executive committee of Pakistan Peoples Party will meet Sunday afternoon at 3:00 am here after Soyem of Benazir Bhutto to decide about the party’s leadership after martyrdom of the former prime minister. Her will would be read out to the meeting of the PPP. Two options are under consideration for the leadership of the party; in the first option Benazir Bhutto’s sister Sanam Bhutto will be named as party chairperson and Makhdoom Amin Fahim will be appointed acting president. In another option Sanam Bhutto will be named chairperson and Asif Ali Zardari acting president of the party. The chairperson will be elected with unanimous decision of the central executive committee of the party, sources added.
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
Peoples Party is Bhuto,s Party and Bilwal is not Bhuto ....
But Fatima Bhuto is a Bhuto and sooner or latter she will took over PPP.....I,ve read her articles and i believe she will be an asset to Pakistan .... with out Bhuto there is no Peoples party ....
hopefully she would have the moral courage to also condemn the terrorist activities of her father.
btw if without bhutto there is no people's party then the party does not deserve to exist. I think people's party is bigger than bhuttos and can survive and succeed without the fuedals running it.
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Bilawal to lead party as per Benazir’s will
Pakistan People’s Party Parliamentarian (PPP-P) President Makhdoom Amin Fahim is likely to assume the party chairmanship today (Sunday) for a short period of time, after which Bilawal (Benazir’s son) would be nominated as permanent party chief as per will of her mother, Benazir Bhutto. According to party sources, Makhdoom Amin Fahim would lead the party till the election process is completed. Amin Fahim has been very close to PPP Chairperson Benazir Bhutto during the last eight years. He has learnt many political tactics from former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto during the period, the sources said.
The sources said Benazir Bhutto was very conscious about the future and education of her son, Bilawal. She wanted him to lead the party after her, the sources added. Now Bilawal is 19-year old, who is getting education at Oxford University, London. “Bilawal is immature for politics and his education is also not completed, “ the sources said. According to the Benazir’s will, the sources added, son Bilawal would lead the PPP after her. The sources added that nominations of PPP leadership would be announced in the meeting of party’s Central Executive Committee which is being held today at Larkana after the ‘Qul’ of late PPP Chairperson Benazir Bhutto. The “Soyem” of Benazir Bhutto will be held at 10:00 to 12:00am today at Naudero, Larkana.
The sources said that as many as 64 members of Central Executive Committee would participate in the meeting. A proposal was circulated in the PPP camp that Benazir Bhutto’s sister Sanam Bhutto or Asif Ali Zardari be elected as chairperson till Bilawal is mature enough to assume the important charge. The meeting would also discuss the issue whether or not to boycott the upcoming elections, the sources said. Meanwhile, all eyes are set on the CEC meeting in which party central leaders would finalise the name of new head of the party and chalk out future line of the action.
CEC consists of 50 members such as PPP secretary General Jehangir Badar, former senator Asif Ali Zardari, Punjab President Shah Mehmood Qureshi, PPP Sindh president Syed Qaim Ali Shah, PPP NWFP President Rahim Dad khan, Balochistan PPP President Lakshar Risani, PPP senior vice chairman Makhdoom Amin Faheem, central leader and former speaker Syed Yousaf Raza Gillani who is also vice chairman, PPP central information Secretary, Sherry Rehman, PPP Deputy Secretary General and opposition leader in the senate Mian Raza Rabbani, Aftab Shahuban Mirani, Yousaf Talpur , Syed Naveed Qamar ,Syed Kurasheed Shah, PPP Finance Secretary Babar Awan , PPP chairperson security advisor Rehman Malik, Farooq Niak, Shaheed Benazir Bhutto spokesman Farhatullah Baba, senator Safdar Abbasi, Naheed Khan political secretary of Shaheed Benazir Bhutto, PPP Sindh information Secretary Dr Fehmida Mirza and other PPP central Executive Committee meeting members, who would attend the meeting.
Sources in party said that Asif Zardari, Sanam Bhutto, Amin Faheem, Yousaf Raza Gillani, Shah Mehmooad Qureshi and Bilawal names are favorite for the next party chairmanship to lead the party. Sources in PPP said that when she returned from the abroad along with her younger sister Sanam Bhutto, she started hectic efforts to join her younger niece Fatima Bhutto in the PPP despite she was too much critical of PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto. After the martyrdom of Benazir Bhutto, it’s necessary for the party that Bhutto name would be continued. When contacted PPP central information Secretary Sherry Rehman said in sobbing voice that PPP Central Committee meeting would decide about the party chairperson and it was premature to say anything about party’s participation in election or its boycott.
AFP adds: Benazir Bhutto’s husband said in an interview Saturday that she left instructions about the future of the Pakistan People’s Party to be read in the event of her death, which would be made public Sunday. Asif Zardari told BBC that the couple’s son would read out the message from the former prime minister and opposition leader, who was assassinated Thursday. Zardari also revealed that his wife had made detailed plans for her burial, including changing the location of the plot from his family’s ancestral tomb to her family’s mausoleum following another recent suicide bomb attack. “She has left a message for the party and she has left a will, so we shall be doing that tomorrow (Sunday) after the third day (of official mourning),” he said. “We have called for a meeting and her will will be read out there and the instructions she has left will be read out there.” Asked if he would succeed her as party leader, Zardari said: “It depends on the party and depends on the will.” Zardari also spoke of his personal sense of loss following the death of his wife, who he said meant ‘much more than life’ to him. “I have seen many tragedies in my life… but nothing has devastated me more than this has,” he said. “We were always aware of the dangers she faced but somehow we were hoping that we would succeed and they would not - the terrorists and the people who back these terrorists.”
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
hopefully she would have the moral courage to also condemn the terrorist activities of her father.
btw if without bhutto there is no people's party then the party does not deserve to exist. I think people's party is bigger than bhuttos and can survive and succeed without the fuedals running it.
The name of Bhuto is bigger my friend....and thats why Benzir call her self Benezir Bhuto and not Benezir Zardari....
Fatima Bhuto is not Murtaza or Benzir.....She is a product of different era but the Bhuto name will help her a lot and she will be a big name ....we should not question her about her father or Ant,s deeds.....they were never her faults but i hope like them she will not take a path of confrontation with Pak army and also Pak establishment....they are part of Pakistan and enmity with them will bring her the same fruit which is already tasted by her father,Ant and grand father and uncle.....
Hope the history will not repeat itself in her case....
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Koi haal nahi. As if it were some family trust or land inheritance, they were talking about.
Whatever happened to “yay hamari party nahi, Awaam ki party hay”.
This will continue as long as at least 75% of our population is not educated. By “education”, I really mean education.
Bechari awaam! Lekin Kisi nay theek hi kaha hay, jesi qoum hoti hay, waisay hi usko leaders miltay haiN!
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Poor Aitraaz Ehsan sidelined once again.
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
Bilawal as the chairperson will most likely cool down the sindhis. Ofcourse he won't be running for the elections as he is not eligible. Also his mother was a very educated woman therefore he should make sure that he lives up to her legacy. Either Amin Fahim or Aitzaz Ehsan would (or should) probably be nominated as the prime minister candidate.
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Bilawal likely to lead PPP
KARACHI: Benazir Bhutto’s son, Bilawal Zardari, is likely to succeed her as the PPP’s chief but he will not be able to lead the PPP immediately because of his education. “Ultimately, Bilawal has to lead the party. But someone else might lead the party for now as ‘guide’,” PPP Deputy Information Secretary Sajjad Bokhari told Daily Times. daily times monitor
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\12\30\story_30-12-2007_pg1_2
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
Bilawal as the chairperson will most likely cool down the sindhis. Ofcourse he won't be running for the elections as he is not eligible. Also his mother was a very educated woman therefore he should make sure that he lives up to her legacy. Either Amin Fahim or Aitzaz Ehsan would (or should) probably be nominated as the prime minister candidate.
And why would Amin Fahim not cool down the Sindhis?
This frustration by some of our Pakistani Sindhi brothers is a pure none sense, she could have easily been a victim of first assassination attempt in KHI. What then?
And what about the millions and millions of her Punjabi Jiayalas, who would have sacrificed anything had she asked for it? Isn't it an insult to them?
And BTW, the most powerful man in today's Pakistan (Mush) is, surprise surprise...from Sindh!
This is high time that we educate our nation!
Re: Bilawal Zardari made PPP new chairman?
because sindhis will not take anyone except bhutto's as the chairperson of PPP.
most powerful doesn't means he is most liked by Pakistanis too.
Ofcourse we need to educate our nation but it can't happen in few hours, at the moment they have to cool down all those people.