Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
^ shouldn't WE as Pakistanis demand our government to repatriate them instead of sorta "under-the-table" deal?
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
Repatriation of Pakistanis did happen back then. Out of 90,000 POWs only 42,000 were soldiers. The rest were all Pakistanis. They suffered in Bharati prisons and then eventually got back home.
It is not our fault if Mukti Bahini rounded up bunch of non-Bengalis and put them in the camps. These non-Bengalis should be allowed to stay in BD just like millions of Bengalis live in other "non-Bengali" states in the region.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
^oh so now they are not even Pakistanis, quite a turn in just few pages of this thread.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
A US based group supporting these stranded pakistanis and their opinion on this issue.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
Well, if we consider them non-pakistani this silly concience (if any) will stop bothering 'us'!
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
People can have dual citizenships. Can't they?
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
^^ Nice try saving your position without conceding.
Unfortunately there will not be a dual citizenship between PK and BD after 1971. Hope and wish it does happen though.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
Unfortunately there will not be a dual citizenship between PK and BD after 1971. Hope and wish it does happen though.
Oh Baboo Raam! There are thousands of Bengalis living in Karachi and they have dual citizenship.
Official version may be different. However people from the two countries have figured out their own ways.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
they want to come to Pakistan and LIVE IN Pakistan, while you are dodging them and say “here, take couple of bucks and stay in BD while we think of you as expat Pakistanis”, come’on anti-obl admit it you don’t want them back in Pakistan.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
Salam Guys...
It is sad that some "pakistanis" claim that repatriation is too difficult a task to happen. No-one here is suggesting that PIA send its planes over to pick the 300,000 people overnight.
If this is to happen it will happen gradually over say 10 years... thats 30,000 people a year... Spread the 30,000 people across the country (as a pre-condition to coming to pakistan) then no one region will be heavily burdened.
Its too bad that some pakistanis dont have a "Can-do" attitude... thats perhaps a big reason why pakistan will never fully develop (because our attitudes are too insular and provincial)... too much in-fighting sad to say.
Too many Pakistanis have an attitude that they are "more pakistani" than others. But after enduring 30+ years of hardship (And yet they still insist on being pakistani, even after their government turns its back on them... Well I tell you thats what being Pakistani is all about)...
To the Biharis... I salute you!
Salam all!
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
^Good post.It can happen easily in a year or maximum two years not more than that.They can be settled across the country.But the only city in which they can find their relatives and similarity in lifestyle is karachi and other urban sindh areas.karachi has more than million illegal afghans bengalis and burmese 300000 wont burden karachi.
A quetta is added every year to the population of karachi because of the influx of people from other provinces of pakistan thats why it has the population growth of 6% and more one of the highest if not the highest growth rate.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
Perhaps its not the right time considering how many people were last homeless by the earthquake...
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
^ And have you seen the breakdown of infrastructure in karachi?
It is easier to say do this do that than actually get it done. How do you know for certain that biharis coming here will not cause problems (forget other but even in urdu speakers there is hatred for biharis e.g. “Ari se na katte, bihari se katte”).
How do you think they will react when 300,000 more people take up more of their resources?
I know what has and is the solution to this problem but if i say it some guppies here will moan and whine… :halo:
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
Ada soomro
Come on man it is not in hatred when some one says" jo na katay ari say woh katay bihari".It is for other communities as well .rampuri bagal mai churree/meethi churee.Sindhi maaroo bagal mai jharo.badayun is a small town in UP young men of badayun were called badayun ka lalla and there are other as well which I dont remember at the moment.It is all in good humour and not hatred.
Thats why I dont want them to repatriate because people from other ethnicities have strong reservations about them.
Give your solution.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
then there will never be "right time" as providing a half-equivalent to those earthquake affectees will take 4-6 years (at least) then God forbid something else will happen and by then they will already be 1 generation down.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
Biharis should be helped to avert trouble
Says UK House of Lords member
Staff Correspondent
Baroness Tonge, a member of the UK House of Lords, yesterday expressed concern over the status of stranded Pakistanis in the country, saying that they might cause troubles in the future, if deprived of their due rights.“If the Biharis (stranded Pakistanis) are not helped, they will go to other people for help, which may lead to troubles,” she said while addressing a roundtable at the British Council auditorium in Dhaka. The Dhaka Initiative and the British Council organised the roundtable titled ‘A solution to the Bihari issue’.
Leaving young people of the Bihari community out of education, healthcare and other basic needs is dangerous for all, said Tonge, who is also a trustee of The Dhaka Initiative.Baroness Tonge, now on a three-day visit to Bangladesh, informed the roundtable that the UK government and the European Parliament, under their strategy paper for Bangladesh, have initiated a project in the Bihari camps to improve their status.
Presently, The Dhaka Initiative is conducting a survey on the condition of the Biharis across the country and their opinions about whether they want to live in Bangladesh or return to Pakistan.The Biharis who want to return to Pakistan should be helped and those don’t should also be helped in their settlement in Bangladesh under the national and international legal framework on an urgent basis, Tonge stressed.
According to a rough estimate by the Refugee and Migratory Movement and Research Unit (RMMRU), there are about four or five lakh Biharis living in the country. And 75 percent of them were born here after the War of Liberation in '71.The survey, which began in December last year and is likely to complete in the next two or three months, suggests that more than 90 percent of the Biharis expressed their willingness to stay in Bangladesh, as they were born here and are accustomed to this society, said Nigel McCollum, another trustee of The Dhaka Initiative.
They, however, need to be recognised in the social, cultural and political contexts, including voting rights, he said.RMRRU Coordinator Prof CR Abrar, who chaired the roundtable, said the issue of the Biharis should be brought to the table for thorough consultations.Other participants stressed the need for providing basic amenities to the Biharis.Prof Quazi Quamruzzaman of The Dhaka Initiative, Dr Tasneem Siddiqui of RMMRU, Khushi Kabir of Nijera Kori, Advocate Sultana Kamal of Ain O Salish Kendro, Farida Akhter of Ubinig and Syeda Rizwana Hassan of BELA also spoke.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
Petition for return of Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh delayed
LAHORE: The Lahore High Court (LHC) on Tuesday postponed a petition by a lawyer for the return of over 250,000 Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh for more than 30 years after the deputy attorney general (DAG) sought a month’s time to file a reply. Advocate MD Tahir said that Biharis in Bangladesh, called stranded Pakistanis, were living in some 66 camps throughout Bangladesh since the early 1970s. He said that 163,000 Biharis had been brought back to Pakistan by 1981. Last time, 321 Biharis were repatriated to Pakistan in 1993 when Nawaz Sharif was the prime minister, the lawyer said, adding that the Bangladeshi government was indifferent to their plight and kept pressing the Pakistani government to take them back. He said the Pakistani government was collecting funds to bring Biharis back but it did a little in this regard practically. He said that even homes were constructed for the Biharis but they were not brought back. Earlier, the court called a report from the federal government.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\03\29\story_29-3-2006_pg10_3
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
those so called dual citizens live in you dream. Have you even met ANY bengali lately? if they are BD citizens they won't even smile at you if they know you are from Pakistan (rightly so) let alone looking to get dual citizenship. Those who are in Pakistan accept Pakistan and did not agree with division so would not accept dual citizenship either!
BTW why are you fixated by few words like baboo whatever?.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
Probably not, but this is REALLY NOT THE RIGHT TIME! I mean, millions were left homeless, there is no way we could cope with thousands of Biharis. Although a slow gradual shifting might be ok, but this will take years.
Re: Biharis(Stranded Pakistanis)Protest again on 23rd March
Its always right time to do the right thing!
(I can't believe I wrote almost a quote to be qouted!......:)