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We can play and train the countries like China, Russia, Canada, Nigeria, Japan, Brazil, Argentina, UAE, Germany, France and the USA...within the next 8 years...we are bigger than any ICC on the earth... :D
Just start with the T-20 format...its sheer entertaining...
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Sorry to crash the party boys, but I don't think Pakistan should go not overboard with their 'protest', they must wait and watch and play their cards properly. I personally don't see NZ going against their cousins, even if they do, it'll be a very internal, behind the close squabble. South African disagreement may very well not last that long, I personally don't see it making any big impact. Bangladesh these days is as hostile to us as India can ever imagine, so you can definitely count them out. Sri Lanka - can't say much about them at this stage.
So I personally don't think SA will lead and sustain any opposition, they will eventually fall for English diplomacy. So I'd say, instead of being high on emotions and bringing isolation on ourselves won't earn us any favours nor any honour, it's best to thoroughly weight the options and reach a bargain, if we possibly can.
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Bangladesh, WI will be head over heals to revamped ICC. Pakistan should talk to SA, NZ, SL to unite against it, then may be WI will join, will have to add all others i.e. Ireleand, Scotland, Kenya, Bermuda, UAE, HK, China, US, Canada otherwise ICC will be hijacked soon.
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So I'd say, instead of being high on emotions and bringing isolation on ourselves won't earn us any favours nor any honour, it's best to thoroughly weight the options and reach a bargain, if we possibly can.
It is not about emotions, it's about principles. Least you can do is call it what it is rather than fear isolation and bargain for a short term gain. It is a lifelong ghulami of these boards. Imran and Gawaskar stood against the British & Aussie veto in the 80's. We need that kind of leadership...koi sher ka bacha not geedaRs to negotiate a deal.
Show us if cricket can survive without Pak and South Africa. These are hollow threats. Very disappointed to see Raja give in like that. At least condemn it regardless of whether the paper goes through or not. Show some values..some spine.
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The idea is to not go overboard with protest, not that you don’t express any legitimate concern.
Imran is absolutely phenomenal, he can single handily lead any type of opposition in any given situation. The entire country can say one thing, but if Imran’s has endorsed the same view, it will all be about Imran, no one or nothing else will matter. Such is the power and astonishing impact of his words, just ask the first person who liked your post above. Sadly we neither have another Imran in cricket world nor any leadership in our board, hence there is a serious potential for us to make a real sticky mess for ourselves.
The amount of backstabbing and backtracking that goes in cricket; I would not entirely trust any board nor rely on their support. Especially boards like NZ who really would not rebel against England and Australia to the point of having them re-consider their decision. As with South Africa, England for one would be very keen to solve this matter as smoothly as possible.
One of the things that genuinely get you closer to achieving your own way in diplomacy is the use of delay tactics. I am perfectly happy to see Pakistan acting indecisive, confused, and disinterested. This may very well turn out to be the best policy instead of making thorough commitment to one thing or another.
Giles Clarke can write hundred more letters full of soft warnings. Let’s see how far they will go in either threatening and appeasing us.
At the end of the day, good cricket trimuphs everything. Afterall the whole business is about the game. Couple of decades back, no one thought India would ever be able to dominate ICC in such way, but somehow they made it. Same thing can easily happen to Pakistan, if they really work for it. Never say never.
P.S I am a stubborn optimist.
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If India, England and Australia want a bigger share of the ICC revenue then that's a reasonable and fair expectation but proposals esp. ICC Chairman to be nominees of the big 3 or no threat of relegation regardless of performance are clearly discriminatory and more in keeping with apartheid South Africa
PCB, CSA, SLC and BCB are against the draft
Not surprisingly NZ do not want to annoy their cousins
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A big thumbs up for Atherton
Atherton condemns Big Three plan
Michael Atherton, the former England captain, has condemned proposals to put power to run international cricket in the hands of India, England and Australia as the end of an idealistic notion that the game can be run for the benefit of all nations.
Atherton writes in the Times that the plan represents "the end of the notion that a fair and principled and just body can govern cricket in the interests of all.
“It is an ideal, of course, that has never been grounded in any kind of reality under the guise of the ICC, but if you cannot be idealistic about sport, what can you be idealistic about?”
Atherton gives some credence, if reluctantly, to the view that England and Australia feel they have no choice but to grant India power in a way that will encourage them to run the world game responsibly - and even suggests India has now been affected with the arrogance of old colonialism.
“The tone of the proposal is so arrogant and high-handed as to recall an earlier age when the organisation began as the Imperial Cricket Conference,” he writes.
Atherton is scathing about governance in world cricket. "No one doubts that the status quo, as far as the ICC is concerned, is unacceptable: two full-member countries are thought to be corrupt; four are essentially broke; most rely on India’s largesse to keep going, while the BCCI is disgruntled that the distribution of revenues does not reflect its provenance.
“Politics, race and personalities interfere with decision-making at every turn. Incompetence is a given; at a recent ICC meeting, I was told of one director who took to snoring through an anti-corruption presentation.”
Atherton said that the recommendations of the Woolf report to place power in the hands of an independent executive - a solution championed by the former ICC chief executive Haroon Lorgat, who was soon removed from office - would have been the most idealistic solution.
“The best that can be said for this deal, indeed the only thing that can be said for this deal, is that India become a fully engaged and interested party to world cricket. Inside the tent and happy for the moment, rather than prowling outside and angry.”
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/713245.html
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PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf has said that the boards of Pakistan, South Africa, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are in opposition to the revamp of administrative and financial structures of the ICC, at the governing body’s executive board meeting that is currently on in Dubai. Before entering the meeting, Ashraf told Pakistan’sARY TV, that “Bangladesh, Pakistan, South Africa and Sri Lanka, we all have one stance. Let us see what we vote inside. We will stick to our stance.”
It is now known that CSA, the PCB and SLC had formally written to the ICC, asking for a deferral of the “position paper” proposals being pushed through by the BCCI, Cricket Australia and the ECB, the three richest and most powerful cricket boards.
Zaka said he would vote for “whatever is in Pakistan’s interests”. “We have to see what is in our interests when we vote,” he said, adding that during his discussions with the BCCI over the last two days discussions had come up about the two countries playing each other at “neutral venues”.
In a late development on Monday night, the three cricket boards wrote to the ICC asking that the discussions on the proposal be deferred. While there had been disgruntlement among some of the other seven Full Member nations about the extent of the powers and financial advantages to be gained by the Big Three via the draft proposal - Cricket South Africa had openly termed the proposal “fundamentally flawed” - there had been no sign of any concerted or unified opposition to the document until the three boards wrote to the ICC. The three opposing boards were seeking more time to look through and internally discuss the radical changes being recommended in the “position paper”.
It is understood that one of the three boards had originally sought a deferral as early as January 24. The BCB, while not using the word “delay” or “deferral” had formally asked for “further discussions” on the matter.
The BCCI, Cricket Australia and the ECB were expected to present, to the other Full Members, a set of re-drafted “resolutions” around their radical “position paper” at the ICC meeting in Dubai on Tuesday. The Big Three had been involved in aggressive lobbying on the sidelines for the past two days on sidelines of the ICC’s Finance & Commercial Affairs committee meeting.
The request for a deferral has altered the situation with regards to the number of countries that are backing the Big Three’s new plan for world cricket: while most changes in the executive board require a minimum of seven boards to be in agreement, significant constitutional changes - which the proposals are recommending in executive and financial matters - require eight votes.
There is also possibility that the draft “position paper” could be treated more than a routine recommendation because of its comprehensive proposals. The fact that it asks for far-reaching changes in administrative structures, financial distribution and the creation of an entirely new commercial wing of the ICC could require a “special meeting” to pass what the ICC’s constitution refers to as a “special resolution”.
To get a special resolution passed, eight out of the 10 Full Members will need to back the proposal according to the ICC Constitution. Article 6.12 a)3)b) in the constitution, which deals with voting on a special resolution, reads: “Resolution proposed at Conference or at a Special Meeting shall be deemed to have been carried as a Special Resolution only if not less than three-quarters of the aggregate number of votes exercisable by all the Full Members shall have been cast in favour of the Resolution, irrespective of whether or not all of the Full Members shall have actually been present in person or by proxy.”
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Where's West Indies in all of this?
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If India, England and Australia want a bigger share of the ICC revenue then that's a reasonable and fair expectation but proposals esp. ICC Chairman to be nominees of the big 3 or no threat of relegation regardless of performance are clearly discriminatory and more in keeping with apartheid South Africa
PCB, CSA, SLC and BCB are against the draft
Not surprisingly NZ do not want to annoy their cousins
Above said, agree with the following:
"500% increase is not reasonable at all. They need to make it such that everyone atleast keeps the share that they receive at the moment."
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‘Big Three’ issue: Pakistan yet to take side in international cricket politics – The Express Tribune](http://tribune.com.pk/story/664355/big-three-issue-pakistan-yet-to-take-side-in-international-cricket-politics/)
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heard on news india threatening bangaldesh k if they oppose tu india will not play t20 world cup n asia cup, achi gunda gardi ha
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Bandar kay haath bandooq - BCCI
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I think in the end Pakistan will vote for big 3. We can't take stands.
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Looks like the rest of the boards put up a fight this time. They are asking for more time for further review.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/713605.html
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Zaka Ashraf says four nations oppose ICC revamp - YouTube
West Indies, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have aligned with Pakistan against ICC’s ‘monopolizing plan’.
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Money distribution is one thing, its negotiable and other boards need to understand the market and revenue the big three offer. But letting them rule the ICC is sheer non-sense. ICC will become a joke in Int'l sports orgz.
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One of the Big Three just got whipped by one of the little one 
(India lost ODI series to NZ)
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Before that they got whipped by the little SA. Now you know why India is so keen on that no relegation clause. That is the only way they can stay in the top league considering their bowling.
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Today Pakistan refused to join the Big 3 alongiwith SLCB BCB And CSA