Bid'aii practices that lead to shirk

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A brother has written in another thread
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In the kalimah we just proclaim that Mohammad (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) is Rasool Allah. I do not see any (naat) praise. It is just a statement affirming a fact. Is this statement by the brother out of ignorance or simplicity?

I have personally experienced one incident which I would like to summarise for the benefit of the raeders and I leave it to them to judge how reading of naat can very easily convert to shirk in a society that has liitle knowledge and starts following cultural practices.

There was a well known lady in London who was invited everywhere for ladies milad. My wife was also invited to one of these milads. This lady started reading from the first page of “Milad e Akbar”. At the time of Maghrib my wife and some ladies requested for the milad to be stopped so that the prayers could be offered. The lady refused and rudely said that she does not believe in dikhaway kee namaz and that she would go home and pray.

She also made a statement which is very crucial for our understanding of the main issue. She said (in as close as possible to her words to enabel me to convey the message) we are reading the milad for the same entity for whom we are going to pray, so why should we stop. I ask the readers what they understand from this statement and how a public statement by a respected lady will affect the listeners.

The result was that a few ladies said their prayers while the milad continued.

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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Fact Finder

Common Bid’aa that I’ve seen in mosques in Pak:

  1. Reading darood loudly before Azan

  2. All the namazees reading darood after Namaaz together

  3. Sitting till Haya la salah in Iqama and then standing up for Namaz

  4. Kissing thumbs and then touching them to eyes, whenever name of Prophet (PBUH) comes

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Originally posted by OASis:
**3. Kissing thumbs and then touching them to eyes, whenever name of Prophet (PBUH) comes

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Isn't this out of respect? Why should it become shirk?

“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Originally posted by Ali_R:
** Isn't this out of respect? Why should it become shirk?

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almost all the bid'aa starts from love...u have to be very careful in expressing ur love n emptions...'cuz others seeing u may took the impression. i guess what i am trying to say is that there is a very subtle difference between expressing love and bid'aa and one should always be very careful.

pumpkins forever!

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Originally posted by pumpkin:
** almost all the bid'aa starts from love...u have to be very careful in expressing ur love n emptions...'cuz others seeing u may took the impression. i guess what i am trying to say is that there is a very subtle difference between expressing love and bid'aa and one should always be very careful.

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But how do you distingiush both?

“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Tarawih - praying in a jumaat - is bidat as well.

Is this bidat because of "too much" love as well ?

Seems like people have nothing much to do but focus on the tiniest issues.

How are you so sure that the people during the holy prophet's (pbuh) days did not kiss their hands. All you have to go by is the books that you have.

But are you absolutely certain that the books of hadith and history have covered every aspect of what the prophet (pbuh) prohibited or did not do, including prohibiting someone kissing out of love ?

Get real. Move on to more important issues.

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[quote]
Originally posted by a1shah:
Tarawih - praying in a jumaat - is bidat as well. Is this bidat because of "too much" love as well ?
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Tarawih or qiyam was started by Rasool Allah (sallallaho alaihe wasallam), but discontinued when he found people following him. The reason was that he did not want people to think that it was farz or wajib. It was restarted after his death as it continued with qiyam in a more organised manner. It has nothing to do with love.

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Seems like people have nothing much to do but focus on the tiniest issues.**
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Bidat is not a tiny issue. It can take one to Hell.

Also, are you not aware of the responsibility of encouraging what is good and stopping what is prohibited?

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How are you so sure that the people during the holy prophet's (pbuh) days did not kiss their hands. All you have to go by is the books that you have.

But are you absolutely certain that the books of hadith and history have covered every aspect of what the prophet (pbuh) prohibited or did not do, including prohibiting someone kissing out of love ?**
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Are you able to discuss with dalail or are you just a hand-brake that keeps trying to stop teh car from moving? If you have any daleel, put it on the table, otherwise do some reading for yourself. May be it will do you some good.

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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  1. Sitting on a plane is bidat as it will lead us to belive that the plane is a form of Allah and we will do shirk.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Really! Grow up dude! Darood is a wajib upon us. No matter how we read it! with people or without. Namaz is over so we can do as we wish! (according to Islam. Bring me Quran saying “reading darood outload is haram after namaz as it will cause disgrace to Allah”)

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[quote]
Originally posted by Ali_R:
**3. Kissing thumbs and then touching them to eyes, whenever name of Prophet (PBUH) comes
Isn't this out of respect? Why should it become shirk?

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You can show your love to Prophet (PBUH) by making your face like his (growing a beard) and following the ways shown by him, not by making innovations in the deen.

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C&P

Linguistically bid'ah (innovation) means 'a newly invented matter'. The Sharee'ah definition of bid'ah is: "A newly invented way [beliefs or action] in the religion, in imitation of the Sharee'ah (prescribed Law), by which nearness to Allaah is sought, [but] not being supported by any authentic proof - neither in its foundations, nor in the manner in which it is performed." Al-I'tisaam of ash-Shaatibee (1/37).

The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Every innovation is misguidance and going astray" Reported by Abu Daawood (no. 4607), at-Tirmidhee (no. 2676) and it is saheeh. Ibn Hajr authenticated it Takhreej Ahaadeeth Ibn ul-Haajib (1/137).

And he (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) also said: "... and every innovation is misguidance and all misguidance is in the Hellfire." Reported by an-Nasaa'ee (1/224) from Jaabir bin Abdullaah and it is saheeh as declared by Shaikh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah in Majmoo' ul-Fataawaa (3/58).

The Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) also warned against the People of Innovation, from befriending, supporting or taking from them saying: "Whoever innovates or accommodates an innovator then upon him is the curse of Allaah, His Angels and the whole of mankind." Reported by Bukhaaree (12/41) and Muslim (9/140)

And in his footsteps, we find the Noble Companions and the Taabi'een after them warning from the danger of innovations upon the Ummah, its people and their unity, since it is innovations which have divided the Ummah and split it asunder.

Ibn Abbaas (d. 68H) said: "Indeed the most detestable of things to Allaah are the innovations." Reported by al-Bayhaqee in as-Sunan al-Kubraa (4/316)

Ibn Umar (d. 84H) said: "Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it as something good." Reported by Abu Shaamah (no. 39)

Sufyaan ath-Thawree (d. 161H) said:"Innovation is more beloved to Iblees than sin, since a sin may be repented from but innovation is not repented from." Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (no. 238)

Al-Fudayl bin 'Iyaad (d. 187H) said: "I met the best of people, all of them people of the Sunnah and they used to forbid from accompanying the people of innovation." Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (no.267)

Al-Hasan al-Basree (d. 110H) said: "Do not sit with the people of innovation and desires, nor argue with them, nor listen to them." Reported by ad-Daarimee in his Sunan (1/121)

Ibraaheem bin Maysarah (d.132H) said: "Whoever honours an innovator has aided in the destruction of Islam." Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (1/139).

Sufyaan ath-Thawree (d. 161H) said: "Whoever listens to an innovator has left the protection of Allaah and is entrusted with the innovation." Reported by Abu Nu'aym in al-Hilyah (7/26) and Ibn Battah (no.444).

Imaam Maalik (d. 179H) said: "How evil are the people of innovation, we do no give them salaam." Reported by al-Baghawee in Sharh us-Sunnah (1/234).

Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee (d. 204H) said: "That a person meets Allaah with every sin except Shirk is better than meeting Him upon any one of the innovated beliefs." Reported by al-Bayhaqee in al-I'tiqaad (p.158)

Al-Fudayl bin 'Iyaad (d. 187H) said: "Whoever sits with a person of innovation, then beware of him and whoever sits with a person of innovation has not been given wisdom. I love that there was fort of iron between me and a person of innovation. That I eat with a Jew and a Christian is more beloved to me than that I eat with a person of innovation." Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (no.1149)

Al-Layth bin Sa'd (d. 175H) said: "If I saw a person of desires (i.e. innovations) walking upon the water I would not accept from him." So Imaam as-Shaafi'ee then said: "He (al-Layth) has fallen short. If I saw him walking in the air I would not accept from him." Reported by as-Suyooti in al-Amr bil 'Ittibaa wan-Nahee anil Ibtidaa'.

Al-Fudayl bin 'Iyaad said: "If a man comes to a person to consult him and he directs him to an innovator, then he has made a deception of Islaam. Beware of going to a person of innovation for they divert [people] from the truth." Sharh Usool ul-I'tiqaad of al-Laalikaa'ee (no.261)

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"-juvenal

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You didnt get my point. Reading darood by all the namazees ** together & loudly ** is bidaat. And I totally agree with you “Darood is a wajib upon us”.

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i guess we are taking things in the wrong direction. so far whatever little knowledge i have through reading shari'a books, i think bid'a is really a vague term. one can not say for definite what is bid'a and what is not, and is more dependant on ones niyya'.

for instance, my previous post about linking love and bid'a...what i wanted to say was that if someone sees me visiting someone's shrine, i know visiting shrines is a whole lot of controversial issue on its own, but lets consider as an example...i am visiting a shrine and i do du'a over there...i am doing du'a with Allah and not the person burried over there. but a person who doesnt know about my niyy'a and saw me doing du'a over there might think of me as acting bid'a.

so u see its really hard to distinguish whats bid'a and whats not.

wAllah-o-Aalam!

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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
** 3. Sitting on a plane is bidat as it will lead us to belive that the plane is a form of Allah and we will do shirk.**
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Before writing posts, I suggest you assure yourself about the subject. Read brother Spanky's detailed posts about bidat and tell me whether you still believe sitting in a plane is bidat.

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Really! Grow up dude! Darood is a wajib upon us. No matter how we read it! with people or without. Namaz is over so we can do as we wish! (according to Islam. Bring me Quran saying "reading darood outload is haram after namaz as it will cause disgrace to Allah")**
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Pass!

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

[This message has been edited by FactFinder (edited December 05, 2001).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by pumpkin:
so far whatever little knowledge i have through reading shari'a books, i think bid'a is really a vague term. one can not say for definite what is bid'a and what is not, and is more dependant on ones niyya'.
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Before writing your post had you not read Brothre Spanky's excelent post about bidat? I think he has left no doubts about its being vague.

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i know visiting shrines is a whole lot of controversial issue on its own, but lets consider as an example...i am visiting a shrine and i do du'a over there...i am doing du'a with Allah and not the person burried over there. but a person who doesnt know about my niyy'a and saw me doing du'a over there might think of me as acting bid'a.**
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Why do you visit a shrine to do supplication (dua)? You can do it anywhere. Going to the graves for supplication is prohibited. In the indo-Pak subcontinent, thousands of people do ask the dead person in the grave to either intervene or provide. While he has no power to do both. But this is besides the point.

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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Bring me Quran saying "reading darood outload is haram after namaz as it will cause disgrace to Allah")
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[al-Jinn 72:18] "And the places of worship are for God (alone): So invoke not any one along with God;

[al-Jinn 72:19] "Yet when the Devotee of God stands forth to invoke Him, they just make round him a dense crowd."

[al-Jinn 72:20] Say: "I do no more than invoke my Lord, and I join not with Him any)."

The Prophet on whom you are sending 'darood's has been himself told to tell you NOT to take anyone elses name besides Allah.

These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?(45:6)

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Originally posted by FactFinder:
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Tarawih or qiyam was started by Rasool Allah (sallallaho alaihe wasallam), but discontinued when he found people following him. The reason was that he did not want people to think that it was farz or wajib. It was restarted after his death as it continued with qiyam in a more organised manner.

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FF,

Tarawiah was STOPPED by the holy prophet (pbuh) - for reasons only Allah (swt) and his holy prophet (pbuh) know best. YOU HAVE ADMITTED TO THIS.

Yet, it was restarted by Umar bin Khattab.

Umar admits that it is bidat, but calls it a good bidat.

Now tell me, are there good bidats as well ?

Are you telling us that the prophet (pbuh) could not conduct jamaat in a more organized manner, yet Umar could ?

People run to Tarawih prayers like it is Farz, yet they may not go to the mosque for farz prayers.

The fact is that Tarawih in jamaat is against the verdicts and injunctions of the holy prophet (pbuh).

The ahl-sunnat started something which the holy prophet (pbuh) STOPPED.

May Allah (swt) save us from such actions.

[This message has been edited by a1shah (edited December 05, 2001).]

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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
** [al-Jinn 72:18] "And the places of worship are for God (alone): So invoke not any one along with God;

[al-Jinn 72:19] "Yet when the Devotee of God stands forth to invoke Him, they just make round him a dense crowd."

[al-Jinn 72:20] Say: "I do no more than invoke my Lord, and I join not with Him any)."

The Prophet on whom you are sending 'darood's has been himself told to tell you NOT to take anyone elses name besides Allah.

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have you ever read darood?

We Invoke Allah to send peace upon the propthet and his family

"Alla-hum salay ala, Muhammed wala ale Muhammed....."

"Allah send peace upon Muhammed and his family."

So we are invoking Allah and not anyone else nor are we partnering Allah with the prophet!!

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Before writing posts, I suggest you assure yourself about the subject. Read brother Spanky’s detailed posts about bidat and tell me whether you still believe sitting in a plane is bidat.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/rolleyes.gif

I was mocking… I was just explaining that you guys make everything Bidat, so why not blame the things you use(like toothpaste)

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[quote]
Originally posted by a1shah:
** Tarawiah was STOPPED by the holy prophet (pbuh) - for reasons only Allah (swt) and his holy prophet (pbuh) know best. YOU HAVE ADMITTED TO THIS.**
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There is a subtle difference between the facts and what you say.

Rasool Allah started praying taraweeh. People started praying with him in congregation. On the fourth day he did not come out, but people waited for him. He later said that he did not want taraweeh to become wajib in congregation, that is why he did not want to make it regular. Thus, he did not stop as you claim.

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Yet, it was restarted by Umar bin Khattab. Umar admits that it is bidat, but calls it a good bidat.
Now tell me, are there good bidats as well ?**
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If you remove your hatred for the Sahaba for a moment, may be you will apprecaite what I ama bout to write. If not, you will always be on the wrong path. The Rightly Guided Caliphs had the authority to add actions that they felt Rasool Allah would have liked to do. They were the people who spent most of their life with him and knew his likes and dislikes thoroughly. So, if they felt that Rasool Allah wanted to perform taraweeh in congregation, they implemented it. Do you believe the four did not know what he would have desired.

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Are you telling us that the prophet (pbuh) could not conduct jamaat in a more organized manner, yet Umar could ?
People run to Tarawih prayers like it is Farz, yet they may not go to the mosque for farz prayers.**
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These statements are so ridiculously childish that they do not deserve an answer.

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The fact is that Tarawih in jamaat is against the verdicts and injunctions of the holy prophet (pbuh).**
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Bring your daleel specifically sating that there are "verdicts and injunctions of the holy prophet" against having taraweeh in congregation. Specific daleel. Not shia conjecture.

May Allah save us from peole who twist religion because of their prejudices.

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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Brother, this part of the forum is for Islam. I do not believe anybody here accepts mocking and joking.

The administrators have a separate section for jokes.