Just to add to the facts posted by FactFinder, Taraweeh with jamaat was again started by Hazrat Omer (RA) and continued during the time of Hazrat Usman (RA) and Hazrat Ali (RA) and uptill now.
Talking about Bidaa, what about matam (mourning)? Was it done by Prophet (PBUH) or any of his sahabas including Hazrat Ali (RA), Hazrat Hassan(RA) or Hazrat Hussain (RA).
[This message has been edited by OASis (edited December 06, 2001).]
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Brother, this part of the forum is for Islam.
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Religion - Discussions on Islamic and other religious matters - especially in Pakistan and generally all over the world.
I for one am getting tired of the excessive "Ahl-Sunna Moderation" of this forum.
[This message has been edited by PakistaniAbroad (edited December 06, 2001).]
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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
** Religion - Discussions on Islamic and other religious matters - especially in Pakistan and generally all over the world.
I for one am getting tired of the excessive "Ahl-Sunna Moderation" of this forum.
**
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Brother, is this a habit or is it becoming too much for you?
I am objecting to the brother's acceptance that he was mocking. Am I wrong in saying that it is incorrect to mock in a religious forum?
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
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Originally posted by OASis:
Just to add to the facts posted by FactFinder, Taraweeh with jamaat was again started by Hazrat Omer (RA) and continued during the time of Hazrat Usman (RA) and Hazrat Ali (RA) and uptill now.
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Very good point brother. If Ali (radhi allaho anh) continued with the bida', how can the shia object to it now. That means their first Imam made a mistake! Googly for the shia brothers.
The matam thing though is a bit different. It relatess to an incident after the sunnah was in place. However, it is something that is prohibited specifically. Rasool Allah (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) specifically prohibited us from mourning for more than three days for the dead.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
FF;
It is sad that the hula that you have made up is not supported by facts. Please refer to the following hadith from sahih Bukhari, which tells the full story - and raises some interesting questions:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/032.sbt.html
Volume 3, Book 32, Number 227:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven.”
**Ibn Shihab (a sub-narrator) said, “Allah’s Apostle died and the people continued observing that (i.e. Nawafil offered individually, not in congregation), and it remained as it was during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and in the early days of 'Umar’s Caliphate.” **
'Abdur Rahman bin 'Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him.
So, 'Umar said, ‘In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)’. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka’b.
Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter.
On that, **'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid’a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; **
but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.’ He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night."
** THE FACT **
The hadith specifically states that the holy prophet (pbuh) prayed individually - not in congregation. PRAYING IN CONGREGATION IS BIDAAT - NO MATTER WHAT EXCUSE YOU CONJURE UP.
Abu Baker, WHO STATUS IS HIGHER THAN UMAR’S, also prayed the Ramadan prayers INDIVIDUALLY - not in CONGREGATION.
Umar says that praying in congregation is better IN HIS OPINION. There is no regard to the prophet’s (pbuh) practises.
ABU BAKER RESPECTED THE PROPHET (PBUH) ENOUGH TO PRAY INDIVIDUALLY.
Umar calls HIS new found method A BIDDAT.
The holy prophet (pbuh) desires only what Allah (swt) commands. Your childish implication that just by stopping prayers in congregation, the holy prophet (pbuh) tried to avoid making tarawiah farz is demeaning to our holy rasul (pbuh) - and is the talk of the ignorant.
Next time you pray tarawih in jumaat, just remember, the holy prophet (pbuh) prayed individually.
Wal humdo lillah hay rabil al amin.
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Usman bin Affan’s BIDAT.
From Sahih Bukhari:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/020.sbt.html
Volume 2, Book 20, Number 188:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I offered the prayer with the Prophet, Abu Bakr and 'Umar at Mina and it was of two Rakat. 'Uthman in the early days of his caliphate did the same, but later on he started praying the full prayer.
So, the holy prophet (pbuh) specifically prayed two rakats, but Usman DECIDED TO PRAY 4 RAKATS instead.
Changing the verdicts of the holy prophet (pbuh) were things that the first 3 caliphs did freely.
May Allah (swt) save us from dis-obeying the holy prophet (pbuh), and for blindly following those who dis-obeyed him (pbuh).
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Shah, are you saying that Hazret Uthman, Hazret Abu Bakr and Hazret Umer were wrong with their decisions? May ALLAH (swt) help you.
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
*
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Originally posted by a1shah:
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Before I commence answering, let me point out one fallacy in your style. You always try to show that the other person is childish, uninformed, illiterate, etc. If you do not show respect, you cannot earn respect. Fortunately for you, I am not going to retaliate in the same way as it is not in accordance with my teachings.
**
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It is sad that the hula that you have made up is not supported by facts. Please refer to the following hadith from sahih Bukhari, which tells the full story - and raises some interesting questions:**
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Everything I have said is supported by facts and free of prejudices.
**
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Volume 3, Book 32, Number 227:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven."**
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This hadeeth establishes qiyam during Ramadhan. No contradiction from what I stated. Thus irrelevant.
Your observations and my comments:
**
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1) The hadith specifically states that the holy prophet (pbuh) prayed individually - not in congregation. PRAYING IN CONGREGATION IS BIDAAT - NO MATTER WHAT EXCUSE YOU CONJURE UP.**
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Even though you have shown your intention to not listen to the other side, I will respond for the interest of those who have not opted to remain deaf and blind.
Refer to hadeeth number 229 on the link that you have given. It states, amongst other things, "Allah's Apostle went out in the middle of the night and prayed in the mosque and some men prayed behind him. Thus it contradicts what you have said and confirms what I had said earlier.
**
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2) Abu Baker, WHO STATUS IS HIGHER THAN UMAR'S, also prayed the Ramadan prayers INDIVIDUALLY - not in CONGREGATION.
3) Umar says that praying in congregation is better IN HIS OPINION. There is no regard to the prophet's (pbuh) practises.
ABU BAKER RESPECTED THE PROPHET (PBUH) ENOUGH TO PRAY INDIVIDUALLY.**
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That is your opinion. There is no difference in status of the Caliphs. All four Rightly Guided were equal. Differentiating between them in terms of superiority is a fitna.
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4) Umar calls HIS new found method A BIDDAT.
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The Rightly Guided Caliphs knew Rasool Allah and his wishes. By the hadeeth quoted above, I have given evidence, that Rasool Allah wanted to pray taraweeh in congregation, but did not for a maslahah. If any of the Rightly Guided Caliphs started a practice, it is bidat hasana.
Now my question to you
If it was an incorrect practice, why did Ali (radhi Allaho anh) your first imam continue with it. Was he guilty of continuing the bida in your opinion?
**
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5) The holy prophet (pbuh) desires only what Allah (swt) commands. Your childish implication that just by stopping prayers in congregation, the holy prophet (pbuh) tried to avoid making tarawiah farz is demeaning to our holy rasul (pbuh) - and is the talk of the ignorant.**
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Ignoring your adjectives (underlined by me for emphasis). I trust a reading of the hadeeth # 229 enlightened you.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
[This message has been edited by FactFinder (edited December 08, 2001).]
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Originally posted by a1shah:
***Usman bin Affan's BIDAT.*
From Sahih Bukhari:
Volume 2, Book 20, Number 188:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I offered the prayer with the Prophet, Abu Bakr and 'Umar at Mina and it was of two Rakat. 'Uthman in the early days of his caliphate did the same, but later on he started praying the full prayer.
So, the holy prophet (pbuh) specifically prayed two rakats, but Usman DECIDED TO PRAY 4 RAKATS instead.
Changing the verdicts of the holy prophet (pbuh) were things that the first 3 caliphs did freely.
May Allah (swt) save us from dis-obeying the holy prophet (pbuh), and for blindly following those who dis-obeyed him (pbuh).
**
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This is not a disobedience by any definition of the word, nor was it a verdict. The reason for praying four instead of two is best known to the person praying and to Allah. I cannot judge. May be he feels that he is not so affected that he should reduce his prayers. WAllaho Aalam.
But this is just "making a mountain out of a molehill" and trying to blame people for what they did out of utter sincerity. We are not even equal to the dust on the shoes of their feet.
By discrediting them, you are questioning the Wisdom of Allah in selecting the best companions for the Messenger (sallallaho alaihe wasallam). You are doubting the Qur'an which clearly says that they formed the best community. You are questioning the decision of Rasool Allah (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) in choosing his companions.
Do you realise what injustice you do to yourself. Fear Allah and repent before it is too late.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
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Originally posted by Ali_R:
**Shah, are you saying that Hazret Uthman, Hazret Abu Bakr and Hazret Umer were wrong with their decisions? May ALLAH (swt) help you.
**
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These people are totally blinded by their prejudiced ulema and their literature. They do not fear Allah. Their prejudices cut at the very roots of the religion and they do not realise. May Allah guide them. Ameen.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
as far as i understand, utham RTU did gave an explanation of his act. that is…when prophet SAW went to hajj or umra to makkah from madina, he was a traveler and he prayed 2 rakats, abu bakar RTU, and Umar RTU also considered them selves to be travelers in makkah because their houses were in medina so they prayed 2 rakats, now when the imam prays 2 rakats, even if you are not a traveler, you pray 2 rakats just as the imam (as far as i know, which is very little)..so uthman RTU prayed 2 rakats behind all those imams..but when he became khalifa, he was the imam of the prayers. since he was very rich, he had lots of real state and lands around makkha, and thus he considered makkah to be his second home and so he was not a traveler to makkah but was basicaly at his second home, so when he became imam of the prayers, he decided to pray 4 full rakat. it shows that sunnahs have a purpose behind them and we should use our head when following them to really understand why prophet SAW used to do a certain act…
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Originally posted by FactFinder:
**
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Originally posted by a1shah:
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Before I commence answering, let me point out one fallacy in your style. You always try to show that the other person is childish, uninformed, illiterate, etc. If you do not show respect, you cannot earn respect. Fortunately for you, I am not going to retaliate in the same way as it is not in accordance with my teachings.
**
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It is sad that the hula that you have made up is not supported by facts. Please refer to the following hadith from sahih Bukhari, which tells the full story - and raises some interesting questions:**
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Everything I have said is supported by facts and free of prejudices.
**
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Volume 3, Book 32, Number 227:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven."**
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This hadeeth establishes qiyam during Ramadhan. No contradiction from what I stated. Thus irrelevant.
Your observations and my comments:
**
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1) The hadith specifically states that the holy prophet (pbuh) prayed individually - not in congregation. PRAYING IN CONGREGATION IS BIDAAT - NO MATTER WHAT EXCUSE YOU CONJURE UP.**
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Even though you have shown your intention to not listen to the other side, I will respond for the interest of those who have not opted to remain deaf and blind.
Refer to hadeeth number 229 on the link that you have given. It states, amongst other things, "Allah's Apostle went out in the middle of the night and prayed in the mosque and some men prayed behind him. Thus it contradicts what you have said and confirms what I had said earlier.
**
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2) Abu Baker, WHO STATUS IS HIGHER THAN UMAR'S, also prayed the Ramadan prayers INDIVIDUALLY - not in CONGREGATION.
3) Umar says that praying in congregation is better IN HIS OPINION. There is no regard to the prophet's (pbuh) practises.
ABU BAKER RESPECTED THE PROPHET (PBUH) ENOUGH TO PRAY INDIVIDUALLY.**
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That is your opinion. There is no difference in status of the Caliphs. All four Rightly Guided were equal. Differentiating between them in terms of superiority is a fitna.
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4) Umar calls HIS new found method A BIDDAT.
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The Rightly Guided Caliphs knew Rasool Allah and his wishes. By the hadeeth quoted above, I have given evidence, that Rasool Allah wanted to pray taraweeh in congregation, but did not for a maslahah. If any of the Rightly Guided Caliphs started a practice, it is bidat hasana.
Now my question to you
If it was an incorrect practice, why did Ali (radhi Allaho anh) your first imam continue with it. Was he guilty of continuing the bida in your opinion?
**
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5) The holy prophet (pbuh) desires only what Allah (swt) commands. Your childish implication that just by stopping prayers in congregation, the holy prophet (pbuh) tried to avoid making tarawiah farz is demeaning to our holy rasul (pbuh) - and is the talk of the ignorant.**
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Ignoring your adjectives (underlined by me for emphasis). I trust a reading of the hadeeth # 229 enlightened you.
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FF,
I am not going to waste time with you on this.
The fact is that the holy prophet (pbuh) STOPPED this practise. It is clear in the sahih hadith I posted. Abu Baker obeyed it. Umar did not.
Your support for Umar initiating this practise DOES NOT CHANGE THAT FACT.
The holy prophet (pbuh) told you not to pray in jammat, whatever his (pbuh) reasons. Period.
You praying in a jammat is NOT THE HOLY PROPHET'S (pbuh) last instructions.
You can conjure up any story to satisfy yourself. It has come to us through our holy imams (as), the first being Imam Ali (as), that Tarawiaah in juma is not allowed. Imam Ali (as) never led any such prayers in congregation. You would be wise to show your proof, since your whole argument lies on this assumption.
We, as in all our actions, practise the sunnat of our holy prophet (pbuh) and pray Nafl individually.
[Shakir 59:7]
and whatever the Messenger gives you, accept it, and from whatever he forbids you, keep back, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is severe in retributing (evil):
You would be wise to heed what the Almighty (swt) is saying.
And Allah (swt) knows Best.
ws
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Originally posted by ThandyMazaq:
as far as i understand, utham RTU did gave an explanation of his act. that is...when prophet SAW went to hajj or umra to makkah from madina, he was a traveler and he prayed 2 rakats, abu bakar RTU, and Umar RTU also considered them selves to be travelers in makkah because their houses were in medina so they prayed 2 rakats, now when the imam prays 2 rakats, even if you are not a traveler, you pray 2 rakats just as the imam (as far as i know, which is very little)..so uthman RTU prayed 2 rakats behind all those imams..but when he became khalifa, he was the imam of the prayers. since he was very rich, he had lots of real state and lands around makkha, and thus he considered makkah to be his second home and so he was not a traveler to makkah but was basicaly at his second home, so when he became imam of the prayers, he decided to pray 4 full rakat. it shows that sunnahs have a purpose behind them and we should use our head when following them to really understand why prophet SAW used to do a certain act...**
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Thandaq,
Please brush up on your Islamic jurisprudence.
If you are not a traveller, YOU PRAY 4 RAKATS. You pray shortened prayers only if you are travelling.
As far as your reason as to why Usman prayed 4 rakats instead of two, I ask Allah (swt) to protect you if you believe in such fictictious stories.
Please refer to the next hadith in Sahih Muslim:
Volume 2, Book 20, Number 190:
Narrated 'Abdur Rahman bin Yazid:
We offered a four Rakat prayer at Mina behind Ibn 'Affan . 'Abdullah bin Masud was informed about it. He said sadly, "Truly to Allah we belong and truly to Him we shall return." And added, "I prayed two Rakat with Allah's Apostle at Mina and similarly with Abu Bakr and with 'Umar (during their caliphates)." He further said, "May I be lucky enough to have two of the four Rakat accepted (by Allah)."
As you can see, there was a sense of anguish by some of the companions on Usman's decision to pray 4 rakats instead of 2.
If Usman was a RESIDENT of Mina, this would have been common knowledge.
The fact is, the holy prophet (pbuh) prayed 2 rakats AT MINA and Usman prayed 4.
This was bidaat on Usman's part.
May Allah (swt) guide us to the right path.
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Originally posted by a1shah:
** FF,
I am not going to waste time with you on this.**
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Are you trying to avoid the discussion because you know you hve no legs to stand on?
**
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The fact is that the holy prophet (pbuh) STOPPED this practise. It is clear in the sahih hadith I posted. Abu Baker obeyed it. Umar did not.**
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I believe you have either not understood the subtle difference or are ignoring it. For your benefit, I honestly hope it is not the latter. Rasool Allah (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) did not STOP. He DISCONTINUED for reasons given. Othman (radhi Allaho anh) started as he felt that this was what Rasool Allah wanted. It has continued since then. If you disagree, you are deep in trouble as you have shot your self, literally.
If you claim that Ali (radhi Allaho anh) did not continue, you have to bring the evidence as a practice is considered to be present, unless proven otherwise. TAraweeh has not been discontinued since, if yo say otherwise bring proof. Secondly, if Ali (radhi Allaho anh) discontinued it again, who restarted it and why blame Othman (radhi Allaho anh).
**
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The holy prophet (pbuh) told you not to pray in jammat, whatever his (pbuh) reasons. Period.**
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Where. Anybody attributing things to Rasool Allah is in grave trouble. By not continuing, he has told us not to. Do you undersatnd the difference?
**
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It has come to us through our holy imams (as), the first being Imam Ali (as), that Tarawiaah in juma is not allowed. Imam Ali (as) never led any such prayers in congregation. You would be wise to show your proof, since your whole argument lies on this assumption.**
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As satetd above, the onus to produce daleel is with you.
**
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We, as in all our actions, practise the sunnat of our holy prophet (pbuh) and pray Nafl individually.
[Shakir 59:7] and whatever the Messenger gives you, accept it, and from whatever he forbids you, keep back, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is severe in retributing (evil):
You would be wise to heed what the Almighty (swt) is saying..**
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Another lie. You do not follow the sunnah of the Prophet as you do not even pray Farz in congregation. So heed to the Allah's instructions.
**
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And Allah (swt) knows Best.**
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No doubt about it. And He will certainly question those who disobey the Message and Messenger, malign the wives and Companions of
the Prophet.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
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Originally posted by a1shah:
** As far as your reason as to why Usman prayed 4 rakats instead of two, I ask Allah (swt) to protect you if you believe in such fictictious stories.
As you can see, there was a sense of anguish by some of the companions on Usman's decision to pray 4 rakats instead of 2.
If Usman was a RESIDENT of Mina, this would have been common knowledge.
The fact is, the holy prophet (pbuh) prayed 2 rakats AT MINA and Usman prayed 4.
This was bidaat on Usman's part.
May Allah (swt) guide us to the right path. **
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Any person who doubts an action of any of the Prophet's Companions is, in my honest opinion, more dangerous to Islam than the kuffar.
Quoting hadeeth when one does not even believe in their authenticity is nothing less than fitna.
Ijtehad of Qur'an and hadeeth is not something laymen can do.
Your statement that there was a sense of anguish is nothing but conjecture. Even where there was disagreement, there was no anguish. The books of hadeeth are full of examples to prove how wrong and misled you are. If you want me to prove your lies, start a new post stating what you have stated here and i shall reply, Insha Allah.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
La Hawla wala quwata illa billah.
I request from the admin to delete this forum, unless he/she thinks that Praising the Prophet after the azan is shirk or bid^a.!!
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Originally posted by a1shah:
**
On that, *'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; *
but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night."
** THE FACT **
1) The hadith specifically states that the holy prophet (pbuh) prayed individually - not in congregation. PRAYING IN CONGREGATION IS BIDAAT - NO MATTER WHAT EXCUSE YOU CONJURE UP.
2) Abu Baker, WHO STATUS IS HIGHER THAN UMAR'S, also prayed the Ramadan prayers INDIVIDUALLY - not in CONGREGATION.
3) Umar says that praying in congregation is better IN HIS OPINION. There is no regard to the prophet's (pbuh) practises.
ABU BAKER RESPECTED THE PROPHET (PBUH) ENOUGH TO PRAY INDIVIDUALLY.
4) Umar calls HIS new found method A BIDDAT.
5) The holy prophet (pbuh) desires only what Allah (swt) commands. Your childish implication that just by stopping prayers in congregation, the holy prophet (pbuh) tried to avoid making tarawiah farz is demeaning to our holy rasul (pbuh) - and is the talk of the ignorant.
Next time you pray tarawih in jumaat, just remember, the holy prophet (pbuh) prayed individually.
Wal humdo lillah hay rabil al amin.
(edited December 06, 2001).]**
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On that, *'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; *
Well said!.. Only wahabies are the ones whom always oppose the majority of Muslims.. Their signs of hatred to the Prophet are not only shown in them declaring salat on the Prophet after the azan as bid^a, but also and mainly on declaring the one who visits the grave of Prophet Muhammad as a Mushrik!!!!..
Allahu Akbar!.
Bissmillah wassalla llahu ^ala Rasulillah.
Brothers and sisters in Islam, Assalamu ^alaykum, I will clarify what innovation is based on the sayings of the scholars, and topic is specificly about the permissbility of making Salat and Salam on the Prophet after athan.
Allah said in Al Qur’an which means: [Allah and his angles make salat and salam onto the Prophet, o you who believed Make salat and Salam onto him]
Brothers in Islam, know that making Salat on the Prophet (To say May Allah’s peace and blessings be onto the Prophet) after the Athan is a good innovation and not unlawful rather rewardable. What Mu’athins do from making salat and salam after the athan is from the good innovations and it is conducted from the religion as the Prophet Sallallhu ^Alayhi wassallam said in the Hadith related by Muslim: “If you hear Al Mu’athin say as he says than make salat on me” and this is enough to prove that it’s permissible for the Mu’athins to make salat and salam on the Prophet after the athan.
Salat on the Prophet and salam has been initiated by the Mu’athins after every athan at the time of Sultan Haji bin al-Ashraf Sha^ban, Imam As-Suyutiyy said in his book “Al Wasa’il Ila Musamarat Al ‘Awa’il” page 9: “Salat and salam on the Prophet after the athan was initiated in the white minaret at the time of As-Sultan Haji bin Al Ashraf Sha^ban bin Husain bin an-Nasir bin al-Mansoor Qalawoon by the command of Al Muhtassib Najm Ad-Deen at-Tanbady and that was on Sha^ban of 791 H, and before that, at the time of Sultan Salahud-Deen bin Ayoub they used to make Salam on the Prophet every night before the athan of Fajr in Egypt and Sham (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan..) and that continued until the year 776 H and on it by the command of Al Muhtassib Salahud-Deen al Barlasy added: Salat and Salam onto you o Messenger of Allah (Peace and blessings onto you Messenger of Allah) than it was done after every athan year 791 H.
This matter is permissible by Ijma^ (Unanimous agreement) according to the four Mathahib. This also proves that there are good innovations and bad innovations which is the base of our topic.
And here are the sayings from the four schools in the permissibility of the Salat and Salam on the Prophet by the Mu’thins.
The Maliky Mathhab:
Sheikh Shams Ad-Deen Muhammad ^Urfah ad-Dasuqiy Al Maliky said in his Hashiah on As-Sahrh Al Kabeer 1/193: “And for the Salat on the Porphet after the Atahn, it’s an innovation of guidance it was first done at the time of Salahud-Deen Yousuf bin Ayoub”. And here I would like to clarify that the saying of Ad-Dasuqiyy was during the time of the victorious fighter Salahud-Deen Al Ayoubiy who freed Al Aqsa, The salat on an-Nabiy happened prior to athan Al Fajr, but when it became as it is now, done at every athan of the prayers, it was done during the time of Sultan Hajy son of Al Ashraf Sha^ban as we took it from As-Suyoutiy.
The Shafi^y Mathhab:
Al Hafith as-Sakhawiy ash-Shafi^iyy, and he is the student of Al Hafith Ibn Hajar Al ^asqalaniyy, he said in his book: Al Qawl Al Badi^ fis-Salat ^ala Al Habib Ash-Shafee^ (His book: the brilliant say on making Salat on the beloved interceder – Prophet Muhammad) page 92: “The Mu’thins have innovated the salat and salam on the messenger of Allah after the athan for the five prayers except the fajr prayer and Jumu^ah, for they forward that in it on the athan exept al Maghrib they did not do it originally due to it’s limited duration”… Until he said: “and scholars had differences on if it’s recommended or not, bad innovation or lawful, but its permissibility was proven by the saying of Allah which means: [and do the good deed] and it’s clear that making Salat and Salam on the Prophet for being a good deed knowing that the news has confirmed and encouraged on doing that as making the Du^a’ after the athan and the last third of the night and near Fajr time and the fact is that it’s a good innovation and its doer is rewarded with the his good intention” End of the saying of Shafi^iyy.
Hanbaly Mathhab:
In the book “Muntaha Al Iradat” for Al hanabilah 1/113-114: “and it has been a good innovation for the Mu’athin and the one who hears athan to make salat on the Prophet sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam when done and to say: Allahumma Rabba Hathihee-Da^watitammah wassalatil al Qa’imah ….” End of saying.
So these sayings that are from the books of four schools prove that such a doing, making salat and salam on the Prophet is from the good innovations. For, the scholars of the four Mathahib permitted this matter after they saw it happen and they were not silent in clarifying it’s judgment according to Islam.
So the four schools all agree on the permissibility on making salat and salam on an-Nabiyy after the athan and they also proved that not every innovation is a bad one, rather there is good innovations as they mentioned and bad innovations.
One might say: according to the aforementioned hadith making salat and salam is only for those who hear the mu’athin not for al Mu’athin himself!
We say what imam an-Nawawiyy said in his book Rawdat At-Talibeen 1/2.3 under the title: “description of the mu’athin and his manners”: “It’s recommended for characteristics of the mu’athin to have a good voice …” till he said “and to make salat and salam on the Prophet sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam by al mu’athin and whomever hears al athan after the athan” end of saying of Nawawiyy.
Also Imam Shams ad-Deen Ar-Ramly, whose known as the small shafi^iyy, in his book :Nihayat Al Muhtaj Ila sharh Al Minhaj” 1/422 he said: “and it’s sunnah for al-Mu’thin and listener to athan as well as stated by hadith related by ibn As-Sunniy and has been mentioned by Al-Musannaf (Meaning Imam An-Nawawiyy) in his Athkar to make salat and salam on the Prophet peace and blesings upon him” end of his saying.
And the hadith indicated by Imam ar-Ramliy is the hadith that we are talking about, so ar-Ramliy used this hadith to prove that it’s permissible to make salat on the Prophet by the mu’thin which denotes that it’s a good innovation that was not done on the time of the Prophet. Al Mawlid and other innovations are similarly proved by the scholars for being good innovations, but let it be clear that bad innovations are the most.
So for those who say that every innovation is evil and says that Making salat and salam on the Prophet is unlawful needs to provide the proves for that. Brother/Sister do not look nor care for those who oppose all of these scholars and make it unlawful to make salat and salam after the atahn, for, this matter is good and Muslims have accepted it for more than 600 years. We do not say that it’s obligatory but it’s a good matter it’s unlawful to deem it impermissible.
O Allah raise the rank of the Prophet and grant us his intercession.
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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
** On that, *'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; *
Well said!.. Only wahabies are the ones whom always oppose the majority of Muslims.. Their signs of hatred to the Prophet are not only shown in them declaring salat on the Prophet after the azan as bid^a, but also and mainly on declaring the one who visits the grave of Prophet Muhammad as a Mushrik!!!!..
Allahu Akbar!.**
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You have missed the point or have not read the thread before making the statement.
Shahjee is saying that taraweeh is against the instructions of the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam). Do you accept that?
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.