Bidah's

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Re: Bidah’s

@ButtSb

Peace syah..

Why are you getting so pissed off?? I am just asking questions…

now tell me this..

1. Where was this definition derived from?
2. Can there be difference of opinion among the learned ones regarding its definition? For example if someone just takes point number 1 and 2 for both good and bad biddaa’h…or adds point 3 and 4 to it? Is that possible?
3. The criteria that you mentioned for determining the nature of biddaah… does everyone have to have same conclusion drawn about every issue? or people can actually draw different conclusions too?
4. Can the determination of something being a good/bad bidaah at one point in time (lets say the your current determination of mixed congregation being bad) be reinterpreted later on?

The definition of bid’a is a simple matter … It is a straightforward translation of “new matter” … The reason why it was given complicated definitions is because of the other camp … Those who claim that “all things need to be taken from Qur’an and Sunnah and nothing else is allowed to be taken” they then modify this definition when it is brought to their attention that many new things are being done … They then say it is only new things in the religion, and so on, then these are also brought to them that new things in Religion have happened, then they further make modifications to the definition and so on … But then the final arrival of their definition requires them to be able to demonstrate that their definition is from Qur’an and Sunnah too … But they cannot demonstrate this …

So to answer number 1. The definition of bid’a I gave does not need a basis since there is no claim inherent in it that all things of religion need to be documented. The reverse however is true … The definition of bid’a given by the people who accuse others of it don’t realise that they need to hold themselves with internal consistency against their own framework … To keep the definition of bid’a simple … One does not need to then explain how it was come by … It is just understood as a new matter. Umar (RA) called Taraweeh a beautiful bid’ah … People have tried to classify this statement … As something linguistic and not the bid’ah that is referred to in the sense they want it to refer to regarding the practices of other groups … They get themselves into a problem because they cannot explain bid’ah internally … It is something they have derived.

2. Yes bid’ah has a difference of opinion. Some people do argue it to be used as a stick to void all new practices … Because they take the Sunnah to be something that should be absolutely followed and they are more likely literalists and often zealous towards others. Others view all new matters through the prism of benefit and concur a practice to bring the same benefit in its outward form or not … For example inviting a friend to your house every week for the basis that you will encourage each other to pray in jamat, is a new matter, but it’s not reprehensible since it sets out to increase the chances for two Muslims to pray in jamat. However, any definition acquired for this needs to be internally consistent … That is the better way to behave for the sake of logical consistency otherwise it will always be a game of opinion … Without rules one cannot self-check … Rather those who think they can dictate to others what the rules are cannot define them for others to arrive at the same conclusion … So they keep themselves in a position where others are subjected to their interpretation.

3. We are not interpreters of bid’ah … We follow the scholars … And do so with the majority … Petrodollars and modern printing press has eclipsed the world into believing what is a minority opinion as a majority opinion.

4. If a practice changes … Like the bid’ah of Mawlid itself becomes subject to innovation then this is innovation upon innovation … Just like marriages today … It is better to revert to the form that was accepted rather than throw the baby out with the bath water … The purpose of the mawlid has always been to bring the love of RasoolAllah (SAW) into our hearts and it is a testable proof that it achieves this end … Now I would argue this practice should only be stopped if RasoolAllah (SAW) is back physically so that connection and love can be re-gained in the original way that the Sahabah (RA) obtained it … Since that is impossible … Then this is the best way it can be done. You see certain bid’aat are done to bend us back to the middle path after changes have happened. And changes happen due to the course of time anyway … Those who don’t adjust to those changes will be going away thinking they are staying the same.