All of us know that many acts have come into different sects during the past 1000 years which were not there during the Prophet’s 
time which are called Biddah’s. There are different kind of biddah’s. My question is with regards to the correlation of bidah’s with ijtehad. What are your views about ijtehad in case of confusions in interpretation of things? We know that for a long time, muslims seem to have closed the doors of ijtehad. Anything decided as a result of ijtihad, can we classify that as biddah too?
Re: Bidah's
"tamaam bid'aat gumraahii haiN aur har gumraahii jahannam ke raaste par le jaatii haiN"
yeh ek Hadees kaa maf'hoom hai
dunyaavii aur deenivii alag alag cheezeN haiN aur inko aapas meN Ghalat malat karnaa bhii ek gumraahii hai.
bid'at kii ta'reef:
**"deen meN aisaa koii nayaa kaam karnaa jiskii sanad Qur'aan aur aHaadees se na miltii ho yaa/aur jisko SaHaba e karaam, taabe'iin yaa tab'a ta'beiin ne na kiyaa ho
AUR
jise deen kaa kaam samajh kar kiyaa jaaye aur jisse sawaab kii ummeed rakkhii jaaye yaa jiske karne se sawaab aur na karne se gunaah kaa yaqeen ho aur jannat kii Husooli kaa zar'iiya samjhaa jaaye"
**aise kul naye kaam bid'at kii zumur meN aate haiN...
faisala aap Khud kareN!
ek baat yaad rakhnaa chaahiye k Ijtihaad deen [Qur'aan aur sunnat] ke Khilaaf kabhii nahiiN kiyaa jaa saktaa...jo bhii ijtihaad kiyaa jaataa hai vo Qur'aan o aHaadees kii raushnii meN kiyaa jaataa hai.
wallaho 'aalam bissawaab!
Re: Bidah's
"tamaam bid'aat gumraahii haiN aur har gumraahii jahannam ke raaste par le jaatii haiN"
yeh ek Hadees kaa maf'hoom hai
dunyaavii aur deenivii alag alag cheezeN haiN aur inko aapas meN Ghalat malat karnaa bhii ek gumraahii hai.
bid'at kii ta'reef:
**"deen meN aisaa koii nayaa kaam karnaa jiskii sanad Qur'aan aur aHaadees se na miltii ho yaa/aur jisko SaHaba e karaam, taabe'iin yaa tab'a ta'beiin ne na kiyaa ho
AUR
jise deen kaa kaam samajh kar kiyaa jaaye aur jisse sawaab kii ummeed rakkhii jaaye yaa jiske karne se sawaab aur na karne se gunaah kaa yaqeen ho aur jannat kii Husooli kaa zar'iiya samjhaa jaaye"
**aise kul naye kaam bid'at kii zumur meN aate haiN...
faisala aap Khud kareN!
Do you know that Saudi Arabia announces Ramadan and Eid years before without sighting the moon, and more than half the world follows them. So what can we be said about this? Isnt this Bidah?
Re: Bidah's
Do you know that Saudi Arabia announces Ramadan and Eid years before without sighting the moon, and more than half the world follows them. So what can we be said about this? Isnt this Bidah?
yeh deenii masalah nahiiN hai...Allah jaise jaise ham ko 'ilm detaa hai vaise vaise ham usko apnii zindagiyoN meN laa sakte haiN agar vo Qur'aan o aHaadees ke Khilaaf na hoN...jaise aur bhii iijaadaat haiN vaise ilm e nujoom bhii hai aur usse istifaada karne meN koii qabaaHat nahiiN honii chaahiye.
Re: Bidah's
koii bid'at Hasanah [achchhii] nahiiN hotii...Hadees kii roo se HAR bi'at gumraahii hai aur har gumraahii jahannam kii taraf le jaatii hai.
Re: Bidah's
If all innovations are bidah's (which generally have a negative connotation attached, in any case bidaah e hasna for someone would be sahih for someone else). Is there any role of ijtehad in Islam?
Re: Bidah's
yeh deenii masalah nahiiN hai...Allah jaise jaise ham ko 'ilm detaa hai vaise vaise ham usko apnii zindagiyoN meN laa sakte haiN agar vo Qur'aan o aHaadees ke Khilaaf na hoN...jaise aur bhii iijaadaat haiN vaise ilm e nujoom bhii hai aur usse istifaada karne meN koii qabaaHat nahiiN honii chaahiye.
Sunnat is to sight the moon, any change employed now is a bid'ah.
Re: Bidah's
Sunnat is to sight the moon, any change employed now is a bid'ah.
jaisa k maiN ne 'arz kiyaa k science ko iste'maal kar lene se agar zindagii meN aasaanii paidaa ho to kia Haraj hai? koii yeh to nahiiN kahtaa k lunar calendar ko follow karne meN chaand dekhne ke baraabar yaa usse ziyaada sawaab hai...chaand bhii dekheN magar science se bhii istifaada kareN. yehii 'aql kaa taqaaza hai!
Re: Bidah's
jaisa k maiN ne 'arz kiyaa k science ko iste'maal kar lene se agar zindagii meN aasaanii paidaa ho to kia Haraj hai? koii yeh to nahiiN kahtaa k lunar calendar ko follow karne meN chaand dekhne ke baraabar yaa usse ziyaada sawaab hai...chaand bhii dekheN magar science se bhii istifaada kareN. yehii 'aql kaa taqaaza hai!
pick and choose? Got it.
Re: Bidah's
pick and choose? Got it.
Or cherry-picking....
I think the Mennonites or Amish had it right - the ultra-orthodox shun science and live their lives in the same way their Prophet did - no issue of cherry-picking.
Re: Bidah’s
Some information about taraweeh’s. The way they are being carried out today was introduced in Hazrat Umar’s time :razi: , and he himself called it a good innovation. We have turned it into something like farz. Personally I dont have an issue with it. As at the end of the day one is praying to Allah in the month of Ramadan, but if you take it literally it is also an innovation.
Taraweeh 20 or 8 Rakaats! | Masjid e Umar - Mt Roskill, Auckland, New Zealand
Re: Bidah's
dunyaavii aur deenivii alag alag cheezeN haiN aur inko aapas meN Ghalat malat karnaa bhii ek gumraahii hai.
*"deen meN aisaa koii nayaa kaam karnaa jiskii sanad Qur'aan aur aHaadees se na miltii ho yaa/aur jisko SaHaba e karaam, taabe'iin yaa tab'a ta'beiin ne na kiyaa ho *
Peace KKF
Ye bidat ki definition ... Kya Qur'an ya Hadees mein shaamil hai?
nahein, to ye definition hi apney criteria ke mutabiq apney aap ko bidat karar de rahee hai.
For this reason the definition if bid'a has to be different.
aur ye dunyavi aur deenvi alag cheezen kis ne kaha hai?
Re: Bidah's
At the end of the day it is what everyone personally believes. In my opinion, there is no harm in discussing these issues with logical arguments and references from authentic texts, as long as one does not start declaring others kaafir or start fighting.........
I have another example, for the supporters of Bidd'ah......
Female Imams and mixed congregational prayers. That can be considered a good Biddah' too right?
When you say its the intention that matters and as long as it leads the practioner closer to God....it need not be opposed....... So do the supporters' support mixed congregations?
Re: Bidah's
At the end of the day it is what everyone personally believes. In my opinion, there is no harm in discussing these issues with logical arguments and references from authentic texts, as long as one does not start declaring others kaafir or start fighting.........
I have another example, for the supporters of Bidd'ah......
Female Imams and mixed congregational prayers. That can be considered a good Biddah' too right? When you say its the intention that matters and as long as it leads the practioner closer to God....it need not be opposed....... So do the supporters' support mixed congregations?
Where are female imams? And what do you mean by mixed prayer? In the same mosque or hall?
At the end of the day there are no mixed congregations in Pakistan, you can find them in the Middle East and other countries though.
Re: Bidah’s
Something like this…
Re: Bidah's
At the end of the day it is what everyone personally believes. In my opinion, there is no harm in discussing these issues with logical arguments and references from authentic texts, as long as one does not start declaring others kaafir or start fighting.........
I have another example, for the supporters of Bidd'ah......
Female Imams and mixed congregational prayers. That can be considered a good Biddah' too right? When you say its the intention that matters and as long as it leads the practioner closer to God....it need not be opposed....... So do the supporters' support mixed congregations?
You are jumping the gun ... If you want to have a serious discussion on bid'a I would like to take you through every hoop that I had to painfully uncover before I reached my decision ...
coming back to the definition of bid'a where is it stated in Qur'an or Hadith ... That x,y,z is bid'a whereas a,b,c is not?
Re: Bidah’s
I have not seen anything like this.
As far as women praying in mosques is concerned, according to Zakir Naik they are allowed as per ahadith. If they are not allowed in Pakistan we can at best call it another bidah.
Re: Bidah’s
Bhai mere… from what i know women have been attending mosques…but with separation from the men…
the ‘biddah’ question is about a mixed gathering and a female leading the prayers.
LOL… why don’t you answer the question asked? What gun did i exactly jump?
Coming to your deflectory (is that even a word??) question…I will accept whatever the definition of Bidd’ah you put forward…lets save all the ‘difficult hoop’ time that we can…
Re: Bidah's
^ read the ahadith in the link I have above, anyways there are no mixed prayers in Pakistan. Infact I have never seen them in any mosque there.
Re: Bidah's
Bhai mere..... from what i know women have been attending mosques...but with separation from the men.....
the 'biddah' question is about a mixed gathering and a female leading the prayers.
LOL..... why don't you answer the question asked? What gun did i exactly jump?
Coming to your deflectory (is that even a word??) question.........I will accept whatever the definition of Bidd'ah you put forward.......lets save all the 'difficult hoop' time that we can........
Peace ButtSb
A bid'a is a new matter ... Simple as that ... Classification of bid'a are brought out of analysing the Sunnah ...
A bid'a that is reprehensible is that new thing done because:
a) it is said to have been advised by RasoolAllah/salaf, etc, when in fact it was not.
b) it attempts to re-prioritise or negate the original Islamic message and spirit of the message.
c) it leads one away from Allah (SWT) and/or RasoolAllah (SAW) and towards the nufs.
A bid'a that is not reprehensible rather good is that new matter which:
a) does nothing to hide the fact that it is a new matter in form, but not in content.
b) It facilitates the remembrance and love of Allah (SWT) and RasoolAllah (SAW).
c) Facilitates other approved aspects of Islam through it observance, without re-prioritising or artificially inflating its own importance.
This is a more wholesome guideline ...
As you can see Qur'an collection, Taraweeh, Mawlid and Niqab fit in the last category nicely.