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So where do the mixed congregation and female Imam fit in?

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commin generations will take care of these inventions.

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If you don't know what is or is not a bid'a, then why accuse people of it. You should know instantly if something is a reprehensible bid'a or not and able to explain why it is and being unfamiliar with it does not count as something reprehensible.

Female Imam leading prayers while men are behind her is not an acceptable thing and is considered a reprehensible bid'a for the reason that it directly conflicts with an instruction that was made by RasoolAllah (SAW) to a woman that she may lead the prayers ... Scholars have said this was done while women were not standing in the front and to her own mahram. So the nature of what is being done and the spirit of the message and the compounded effect this has with the various other aspects such women in the back and men not seeing them from behind, etc adds weight to the idea that women should not be seen physically in postures that could be alluring to men. This will be in direct conflict with the idea of her taking the lead in prayer from the front.

The greatest woman is Maryam (AS) and her greatness was in her khalwa (seclusion) ... Imam is a position inherent to men ... RasoolAllah (SAW) The best example of man ... is Imam al Mursaleen.

Even then I don't spend any time wasted arguing this point ... I give my reasons and move on ... I don't bring it up as a point to make towards others ...

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Peace Ali Syed,

For two reasons:

1- It is not directly related to our Prophet PBUH like on His name PBUH.
2- That following is at least I think is not bidah because it is said choose among u any one and make him ur 'Khalifa or Imaam' and all should agree on what that 'Khalifa or Imaam' says. So those who found correct 'accept' it and those who don't may 'disagree'.

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Peace syah..

Why are you getting so pissed off?? I am just asking questions......

now tell me this..

  1. Where was this definition derived from?
  2. Can there be difference of opinion among the learned ones regarding its definition? For example if someone just takes point number 1 and 2 for both good and bad biddaa'h.......or adds point 3 and 4 to it? Is that possible?
  3. The criteria that you mentioned for determining the nature of biddaah...... does everyone have to have same conclusion drawn about every issue? or people can actually draw different conclusions too?
  4. Can the determination of something being a good/bad bidaah at one point in time (lets say the your current determination of mixed congregation being bad) be reinterpreted later on?

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A bid'a that is reprehensible is that new thing done because:

a) it is said to have been advised by RasoolAllah/salaf, etc, when in fact it was not.
b) it attempts to re-prioritise or negate the original Islamic message and spirit of the message.
c) it leads one away from Allah (SWT) and/or RasoolAllah (SAW) and towards the nufs.

A bid'a that is not reprehensible rather good is that new matter which:

a) does nothing to hide the fact that it is a new matter in form, but not in content.
b) It facilitates the remembrance and love of Allah (SWT) and RasoolAllah (SAW).
c) Facilitates other approved aspects of Islam through it observance, without re-prioritising or artificially inflating its own importance.
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biddah means innovations, doesn't matter who initiated it. The sunnah is to see the moon, simple. Due to following the Saudis blindly half of the world has two eids, one as per sighting and another due to following Saudis. By not following this sunnah we are dividing ourselves.

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In the past people used to depend on Quran, Sunnah, Ijmah and qayas for interpreting things. Ijmah is almost impossible now due to the attitude of putting each other down and increase in sectarianism. As far as qiyas is concerned that's also dead, because anything that comes out of qayas (ijtehad) will be taken as bidah.

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The definition of bid'a is a simple matter ... It is a straightforward translation of "new matter" ... The reason why it was given complicated definitions is because of the other camp ... Those who claim that "all things need to be taken from Qur'an and Sunnah and nothing else is allowed to be taken" they then modify this definition when it is brought to their attention that many new things are being done ... They then say it is only new things in the religion, and so on, then these are also brought to them that new things in Religion have happened, then they further make modifications to the definition and so on ... But then the final arrival of their definition requires them to be able to demonstrate that their definition is from Qur'an and Sunnah too ... But they cannot demonstrate this ...

So to answer number 1. The definition of bid'a I gave does not need a basis since there is no claim inherent in it that all things of religion need to be documented. The reverse however is true ... The definition of bid'a given by the people who accuse others of it don't realise that they need to hold themselves with internal consistency against their own framework ... To keep the definition of bid'a simple ... One does not need to then explain how it was come by ... It is just understood as a new matter. Umar (RA) called Taraweeh a beautiful bid'ah ... People have tried to classify this statement ... As something linguistic and not the bid'ah that is referred to in the sense they want it to refer to regarding the practices of other groups ... They get themselves into a problem because they cannot explain bid'ah internally ... It is something they have derived.

  1. Yes bid'ah has a difference of opinion. Some people do argue it to be used as a stick to void all new practices ... Because they take the Sunnah to be something that should be absolutely followed and they are more likely literalists and often zealous towards others. Others view all new matters through the prism of benefit and concur a practice to bring the same benefit in its outward form or not ... For example inviting a friend to your house every week for the basis that you will encourage each other to pray in jamat, is a new matter, but it's not reprehensible since it sets out to increase the chances for two Muslims to pray in jamat. However, any definition acquired for this needs to be internally consistent ... That is the better way to behave for the sake of logical consistency otherwise it will always be a game of opinion ... Without rules one cannot self-check ... Rather those who think they can dictate to others what the rules are cannot define them for others to arrive at the same conclusion ... So they keep themselves in a position where others are subjected to their interpretation.

  2. We are not interpreters of bid'ah ... We follow the scholars ... And do so with the majority ... Petrodollars and modern printing press has eclipsed the world into believing what is a minority opinion as a majority opinion.

  3. If a practice changes ... Like the bid'ah of Mawlid itself becomes subject to innovation then this is innovation upon innovation ... Just like marriages today ... It is better to revert to the form that was accepted rather than throw the baby out with the bath water ... The purpose of the mawlid has always been to bring the love of RasoolAllah (SAW) into our hearts and it is a testable proof that it achieves this end ... Now I would argue this practice should only be stopped if RasoolAllah (SAW) is back physically so that connection and love can be re-gained in the original way that the Sahabah (RA) obtained it ... Since that is impossible ... Then this is the best way it can be done. You see certain bid'aat are done to bend us back to the middle path after changes have happened. And changes happen due to the course of time anyway ... Those who don't adjust to those changes will be going away thinking they are staying the same.

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can you plz explain how Taraweeh is bidah same as Mawlid?