Seems my grasp of what’s Bida’a and what’s not Bida’a has become weak…
**Wa qul-la muh-da-tha-tin bida’ah
Wa qul-la bida’ah atin dalalah
Wa qul-la dalalah tin fin nar **
This is recited in every Friday Khutba as per the Holy Prophet :saw:'s Sunnah…
Can someone translate this for me please?
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I have no grasp on biddah !
Hazrat Umar (ra) added a sentence to standard azaan for fajar prayers ?
good Bidah /bad bidah ?
Hajaj bin yousuf added Aa'raaf to Quran Majeed ?
Biddah ? good bad or what
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Sister this hadith does not mean as some people translated it unfortunately, there are some people who misinterpret a sahih hadith related by Abu Dawud: "كل بدعة ضلالة"
which means: <
Which clearly does not mean: "Every eye gazes the look of the adulterer;" rather, "Most people are guilty of the forbidden look." The person blind since birth would surely not have the forbidden look, and it is known the Prophets would never commit such an abject sin. The word "كل" (kul) as used in both hadiths refers to `most,' although it can mean "every" it does not mean this in all cases.
As a matter of fact, in the explanation of Sahih Muslim, an-Nawawiyy said: "The saying of the Prophet, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, «كل بدعة ضلالة» is among the terms which are: "عام مخصوص" (^am makhsus) i.e., a general statement giving a specific meaning; which is a known field in Islam, and the meaning of the hadith is "most innovations are innovations of misguidance."
This field the"عام مخصوص" is seen in the Qur'an in Ayah 3 of Surat al-Ahqaf: تدمر كل شىء] which means the wind Allah sent as punishment to the people of ^Ad demolished most of the things.
To accept the meaning: "Every innovation is an innovation of misguidance," as the meaning of the sahih hadith related by Abu Dawud would negate the sahih hadith related by Imam Muslim which specifies two types of innovations: the innovations of guidance and the innovations of misguidance. In the rules of the Religion it is not permissible to interpret two sahih hadiths in contradiction to one another, therefore we know the true meaning.
Although most innovations are innovations of misguidance, there are numerous examples of Religiously acceptable innovations. During the Caliphate of ^Umar Ibnul Khattab, ^Umar initiated the gathering of people in Ramadan to pray the Tarawih Prayer in congregation. When he saw the people performing this prayer in congregation he said:
نِعْمَت البِدعَةُ هَذِه"ِ"
"What a good innovation that is!"
The high status of ^Umar Ibnul Khattab is known, thus it is important to point out ^Umar used the explicit term البِدعَةُ "innovation" in his praise. If all innovations were misguided--as some claim--^Umar would not have innovated this practice, nor expressed this praise, yet both al-Bukhariyy and Muslim related this incident. During the era of the followers of the Companions of the Prophet, another praise-worthy innovation took place. Initially, letters like the ba, ta, tha, and ya, did not have dots above or below them. This practice of distinguishing between the letters by using this notation began after the time of the Prophet.
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You are right they were added, and of course they are good to do.
This only means that Imam Omar showed us the Bid^a is of 2 types, good Bid^ah (wich complies with the religion) and Bad Bid^ah (which does not comply with religion).
And he said literally:
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Sister Lajawab, i think both Codey and Ahmad G make very good points.
another interesting (read controversial) “bid’aa” is the pronouncement of three divorces at once, initiated two years into Hazrat Umar’s caliphate. I thought that by and large sunnies believed three divorces to be effective immediately, but it seems there is considerable disagreement about it, to the extent of calling the other “rebel’s against Allah’s law”
A cursory look at google results seems to indicate that there is no clear way to determine what is actually the view of the 4 maz’habs, atleast for me since I dont know the names of sunni scholars. Could the sunni posters here tell me what they think about this, it seems to me that if this is a bid’aa then a whole lot of marriages have either been unjustly terminated or people are living in sin? It seems to be a very necessary issue to address.
Hazrat Umar initiates three divorces as one:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/009.smt.html#009.3491
Against three divorces at once:
For three divorces at once:
http://www.jamiat.org.za/ttalaaqs.html
Please ascertain as to the credibility of these sites, I have no clue if islamonline.net is a good resource, jamiat.org would certainly seem to be one.
Edit: I found this article to be very instructive
(apologies if I’ve veered too far offcourse)
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Some people sight Umar and Uthman as adding new things to the religion... they did not add anything new to the religion. They were the closest people to the prophet and only made enhancements to something already being practiced and nor was way of worship or reading or its meaning changed. Sighting their example as a justification for YOUR (today's brailvies and bidaties) to add more stuff and wrong stuff to the religion is wrong and that is the true bad bidah. You can't even compare today's muslims to the dirt of those who lived at the time of the Prophet... don't justify your satanic additions / innovations to the religion because you think if Umar can do it, you can do it too?
Ahmed G you left out some more that Brailvies do (and bad bad "wahabis" don't do):
Worshiping graves
Worshiping dead saints
Milaads
Urss Sharifs ? lol
Asking dead saints for help
Asking dead saints to ask Allah to help you
Peeri Fakeeri
Taveeez Ganda
KHatam SHarifs
Ghiyaarween Sharifs (honoring Hazrat Abdul Qadar Jilani... who was a Wahabi by definition as he didn't do most of the stuff that brailvies have invented under the label of "good" innovation.)
Saying that Prophet MOhammad was made out of NOOR (light) like Angels and was not human. (people of pre islamic era admited that the prophets that came to them were humans but said that they don't believe them to be prophets.... yet these fools believe that prophet mohammad was a prophet but he was not a human. Lol)
Superstitious Beliefs much like Hindus
These are all "good" bidahs according to Brailvi Scholars. Want more? Btw folks, anybody who DOESN'T do the stuff listed above is a "wahabi" according to these Brailvi bidaties.
Uthman and Umar were and still remain SAHABA of the prophet, they did not CHANGE the basic concept or meaning of the religious practices that we do, only made additions or improvements where they thought it was needed... WHO gave Raza Ahmed or Brailvies the right to create new ways of worship and new ways in Islam? ON WHOSE authority?
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- Salat on the prophet after Adhan - all Muslims do it, except wahabies.
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Wrong, only BRAILVIES do it. Tell us if it was perscribed by the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), his sahaba, tabiyeeen or taba-tabiyeen? NO, it was not and this innovation of yours was created and invented by Raza Ahmed for only Brailvies.
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-Miladun-Nabiy, celebrating the birth of the Prophet. Billion Muslims do it. Suyootiy and many many others confirmed it’s authenticity and that it’s a righteous act of obedience. Even Ibn Taymiah (the source for wahabi creed) he says it’s a good deed to do it, yet wahabies consider Miladun-Nabiy as an act of misguidance.
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Again, you speak without reference, without proper source and you attribute something to "wahabi" scholars just because... in which book did Ibn Tehmiya said that? Your source? Reference?
And,
Tell us if Milad was perscribed by the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), his sahaba, tabiyeeen or taba-tabiyeen? NO, it was not and this innovation of yours was created and invented by Raza Ahmed for only Brailvies.
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Azaan is a call to prayer…It is not a part of faith…In its absence the practice of Islam is neither affected nor changed…Hence it can not be classified as a Bida’a…Plus, it was approved by the Holy Prophet :saw:…
A’raaf were added for the benefit of non-Arabic speakers otherwise you or me would not know how to pronounce words in the Quran…There are still Quran in Saudi Arabia like the Kufi script Quran which has no A’raaf…Its introduction does not alter the practices of Islam hence it is not a Bida’a…
Bida’a means introducing something as a practice in Islam which is neither perscribed in the Quran or practiced in the Sunnah…Like wearing black in Muharram which is neither in the Quran nor the Sunnah…Yet, it’s practice usually performed in the name of showing respect…
Where is wearing black as a sign of respect to anyone perscribed anywhere? Hence, it is a practice introduced in Islam and hence it is a Bida’a…
And for those that support it saying it’s quite harmless, well, as Mirza Ruswa said in the other thread, the supporting of sin is sometimes worse than the sin itself…
It’s just a caution…
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Uthman and Umar were and still remain SAHABA of the prophet, they did not CHANGE the basic concept or meaning of the religious practices that we do, only made additions or improvements where they thought it was needed...
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Bida'a means introducing something as a practice in Islam which is neither perscribed in the Quran or practiced in the Sunnah...
And for those that support it saying it's quite harmless, well, as Mirza Ruswa said in the other thread, the supporting of sin is sometimes worse than the sin itself...
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Lajawab and Jaan-Leva in context of this could you address my post on the three divorces? That changes the nature of Divorce, which is something that has been addressed in the Quran and Hadith. And has much more bearing on Muslim society than whether or not graves should be visited or salawat should be said, because it isnt a personal belief, personal practice. easily millions of couples since the time of our Prophet have been affected by this Bid'ah. either injustice has been carried out to millions of people if they were regarded divorced when they were not (leave aside the question of women who went on to remarry after such a divorce..), or they have been in living in sin if they were divorced and continued living together. I cannot imagine any Bidah that has such a drastic impact on two people's lives as something that determines whether or not they are married.
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Ravage, I would love to but I'm afraid my islamic knowledge is not deep enough to say anything about that and most importantly question why Umar decided to do what he did or what is the whole story behind it. I don't want to say something about an issue which I don't have any Fiqh background on.... as it is a serious issue.
As far as other topics like graves... we are not talking about visiting graves but WORSHIPING graves like you worship Allah in prayer. The main thing is AQEEDAH, if you don't have that you are pretty much out of circle of Islam and at that point no divorce or three divorces or 9, it doesn't really matter.
Aqeedah is the foundation, once that is strong understanding other areas of Islam becomes an easy task.
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i don't know any shias that *worships *the graves
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As far as other topics like graves... we are not talking about visiting graves but WORSHIPING graves like you worship Allah in prayer. The main thing is AQEEDAH, if you don't have that you are pretty much out of circle of Islam and at that point no divorce or three divorces or 9, it doesn't really matter. Aqeedah is the foundation, once that is strong understanding other areas of Islam becomes an easy task.
JL,
You claim amnesty by virtue of ignorance, yet feel no qualms in passing judgements on issues of deep faith for others? What is it, indoctrinated hatred or ability to pass judgement? If it is the latter then u sud be knowledgable enough to respond to the above stated querry.
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Sheraz, we’re sort of jumping into a debate between barailvi sunnies (Ahmad G i believe) and deobandi/salafies…shia abhi tak zadd main nahi aye, why jinx a good thing 
Jaan Leva thank you for your civil reply. I disagree with you about whether the question of whether one “worshipping” graves takes a Muslim out of the fold of Islam. That is a very serious allegation and you should know about the many sahih ahadith about how those who cast fatwas of kufr should be careful, one states to the extent that in doing so atleast one of the two is a Kafir. Whether one is merely visiting a grave through potentially misguided ideas of intercession or actually regarding it worthy of worship is a matter of what they believe, and you cannot claim to know what they believe better than them. Given that their stated niyat is not to worship a grave, they are not attributing partners to Allah and are at worst misguided, not Kafirs.
fg :k: . Lajawab I await your response.
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Niyat? Worshipping graves is KUFER... people worship graves just like a Muslim would worship Allah when facing towards kaba. Niyat doesn't have anything to do with this. Your action speaks louder than any niyaat...
If it was all niyaat then what is the importance of Aqeedah? Why did EVERY SINGLE prophet said to his people WORSHIP ONE GOD ALONE and ASK him for help? Why does one need to say There is no god but Allah and Prophet Mohammad is his messenger? Say someone rapes a girl and then says "oh I didn't mean to rape her.... that wasn't my intention..." by the "niyat" logic he is free to go. You can apply this to any other sinful situation and you are free to go as your niyat was good omen.
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i can tell you where your reasoning is wrong, i cant change what you will think though.
one could extend your argument about the unimportance of niyat to saying that Muslims worship a stone (Kaaba) and run between mountains thinking that will bring them good. That is often an argument Hindus make to justify idolatory, and the only answer to that is that the Niyat of Muslims is to perform those actions for Allah, and those actions do not have any inherent significance except for that granted by the single Allah and his last Prophet. These actions do not invalidate those beliefs. Thereby you too perform actions for which there is no inherent justification against justifiable allegations of "stone worship" except niyat. from the outside, anyone seeing thousands of Muslims milling around a stone and throwing pebbles at three stones as stone worship.
First off you cannot compare rape and grave "worship" as that is a crime against another human being. Secondly it is very hard to offer plausible alternative niyats for a crime like rape. If however, there is an action that is not a legislable crime against another person and that does have plausible alternate intentions, I would have to take the other person's stated intentions as the truth when casting judgements of Kufr about his beliefs. You cannot call people liars to their face, and then call them Kaffir, because here you're going on a limb guessing what their beliefs are, and IF you are wrong, you are wrong on an extremely, extremely serious thing, and according to Hadees, risk being a Kafir yourself.
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Worshipping graves is SHIRK. If you take shirk lightly, I don't know what can help you, sorry. I do not believe such useless BS that I have to worship dead saints and their graves. Niyaat shiyaat is just an excuse to do something which you think is right in Islam but according to sunnah of the prophet and Quran it is not. If Niyat had anything to do with it, then prophet would have asked us to worship his grave, then we would see sahaba worshipping Prophet's grave.... not a hard concept to understand. It is SHIRK. I guess, you should look what shirk is before trying to understand what it means to worship graves. By your logic that when we pray towards kaba, we are basically facing a stone and it is our niyaat.... so did Kufaar of Makkah and pre islamic era? They thought there was Allah in those 360+ statues they had in kaba... yet their niyat and they were wrong. Comparing GRAVE WORSHIPPING with worship of Kaba is not a good idea.... defending GRAVE WORSHIP by using worship of Kaba as an example is stupidity and supporting shirk against tauheed.
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try and read what i've written again, i dont think all of it got through. it is shirk if you know that their worshipping the grave. they deny it, you claim it, beyond that is you building on what you percieve to be their intentions. Im not asking you to stop considering the practice wrong, im asking you, for your own benefit, to not call other Muslims Kaffir based on YOUR statement of their beliefs and NOT theirs. and in your haste to call others Kafirs based on your qiyaas of what their faith is, you risk being a Kafir yourself.
Khuda hafiz
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Sajdah is only for Allah... to anything else it is shirk, period. If grave worshipping was good and we can go by our Niyat... what grave could be better than that of the Prophets? Allah sent 125,000+ messengers just to teach humanity about Tuaheed and ONE God yet we have people today going to graves for help... for worship. They sacrifice animals there so their women will give birth or they will get better job or what not.
Sahaba wanted to do sajdah to Prophet but he told them NOT to do that as it is shirk and it is only for Allah... and they just wanted to do like people use to do sajdah to kings of that time, yet Prophet did not allow that. Why do you think pictures and statues are not allowed in Islam? It can lead to shirk.
You are here trying to explain and looking for answers on major fiqh issues yet your aqeedah and concept of tauheed is so weak that any dumb fool can make you worship dead horses grave and you would think you are paying respect to some good ol saint from old times.
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so that makes farishtay Kafir nauzubillah? couldnt resist :D.
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Allah asked Farishte to do sajdah to a HUMAN... Allah didn't ask us to do sajdah's to dead saints and peers and their dead old graves. He didn't even allow Prophet's sahaba to do sajdah to his last prophet when he was ALIVE or when he died.