Why invent a practice/ritual, which isn't found in the Quran and the Sunnah.
Are we trying to say that Prophet (SAW) forgot to introduce some of the rituals and practices (by the Allah's (SWT) will) or that Allah (SWT) forgot to mention'em in the Quran, thus we introduced'em on our own? (Astaghfirullah)
As far as I can remember, it's been mentioned in the Quran that Allah (SWT) has completed His (SWT) favour upon us and blessed us a complete deen, Islam.
Why this obsessions with Bida?
If something is not contradictorily to Al-Quran and Prophet Sunnah why do we consider that as Bida?
Since Islam is a way of life it should be applicable in all division. If you try to dismiss something as innovations..You would then have to dismiss many things from modern world as innovations. But we don’t do that..People’s life progress and not regress.
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If I'm correct, actually if I'm relating the talks of Imam Shiekh Hamza Yusuf correctly, then Bid'ah means "innovations" and there is assumed to be both good and bad bid'ah. He uses exact terms for each-example of good Bid'ah is given to be the adding of dots/lines to the Qoran so non Arabs could read it more accurately. A good innovation.
Its only really the hardline sects of saudi-pertol money laced muslims that oppose any innovation, and thats usually cos there small minds cant comprehend the flexibility of this deen we were bestowed with.
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DEAR FRIEND IT AMUZZEZ ME THAT WITH HOW WITH SUCH AN EEZZ YOU HAVE LABELD THE SCHOLERS OF THE SAUDI ARABIA,,,TO BE NARROW MINDED... first of all ALLAH HAS GIVEN THEM THE PETROL...so dont feel soory if they have money. 2 I BELIVE SO YOU NEVER LIVED IN SAUDIA..i did and how much ALL MY LIFE... and you are talking about our religions felxiiblity right??? well tell me that..adding something like...my other friend...said good bidda..i never heard such a thing...2 why the hell we need to add new stuff to islam...is or has it been gobne BOSOLUTE or a NEW AND IMPROVED VERSION XP is out!!! FOR GOT SAKE DONT DO THAT....why cant you simply follow what ever is orderd to follow and not to do what ever is told not to do...and stop making fun of the great ULLAMAS who have a HELL MORE KNOWLDEGE ABOUT ISLAM THAN YOUR own pitty full mind..
i pray to allah to bring me and you and every one on the right path
allah hafiz
moaz
zalmon kazi agaya hai
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*Originally posted by mo_best: *
If I'm correct, actually if I'm relating the talks of Imam Shiekh Hamza Yusuf correctly, then Bid'ah means "innovations" and there is assumed to be both good and bad bid'ah. He uses exact terms for each-example of good Bid'ah is given to be the adding of dots/lines to the Qoran so non Arabs could read it more accurately. A good innovation.
Its only really the hardline sects of saudi-pertol money laced muslims that oppose any innovation, and thats usually cos there small minds cant comprehend the flexibility of this deen we were bestowed with.
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DEAR FRIEND IT AMUZZEZ ME THAT WITH HOW WITH SUCH AN EEZZ YOU HAVE LABELD THE SCHOLERS OF THE SAUDI ARABIA,,,TO BE NARROW MINDED... first of all ALLAH HAS GIVEN THEM THE PETROL...so dont feel soory if they have money. 2 I BELIVE SO YOU NEVER LIVED IN SAUDIA..i did and how much ALL MY LIFE... and you are talking about our religions felxiiblity right??? well tell me that..adding something like...my other friend...said good bidda..i never heard such a thing...2 why the hell we need to add new stuff to islam...is or has it been gone OBSOLUTE or a NEW AND IMPROVED VERSION XP is out!!! FOR GOT SAKE DONT DO THAT dont follow the christians and the jews....why cant you simply follow what ever is orderd to follow and not to do what ever is told not to do...and stop making fun of the great ULLAMAS who have a HELL MORE KNOWLDEGE ABOUT ISLAM THAN YOUR own pitty full mind..
i pray to allah to bring me and you and every one on the right path
allah hafiz
moaz
zalmon kazi agaya hai
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
Those who consider any innovation an innovation of misguidance have been misled, because there are two sahih hadiths which support celebrating such an event. Imam Muslim related, through the route of Jarir Ibn ^Abdullah, the Prophet said: which means:
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Allah knows best.
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
^ incorrect translation... the hadith talks about reviving sunnahs, not innovations!
look it up... here's the start in Arabic to help you out... "Man sanna fi al-Islam sunnatan hasanah fa lahu ajruha..."
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
Yes, and from this Imam Shafi3iy classified "Bid3a" into two types using this hadith as a reference.
Because the prophet said:
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Thus:
There are two types of innovations mentioned in this hadith:
the innovations of guidance (Bidaatu Hudda) and
the innovations of misguidance (Bidaatu Dalal). As Imam Ash-Shafi3i said.
What complies with the Qur'an, the Sunnah, the Ijma^ (scholarly consensus), and the sayings and practices of the Companions is an innovation of guidance.
What contradicts the Qur'an, the Sunnah, the Ijma^, and the sayings and actions of the Companions is an innovation of misguidance.
This definition of the two types of innovations was given by many knowledgeable and trustworthy scholars of Islam; among them:
Imam ash-Shafi^iyy, (Leader of Shafi3i school)
Imam an-Nawawiyy,
al-Bayhaqiyy, and
the Hafidh, Ibn Hajar al-^Asqalaniyy (Whom interperted sahih al-Bukhariy the best interpertation)
I ask Allah to guide us to the right path always.
Ameen.
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
Ahmad G - You wrote a Definition of Biddah' - which is as follows:
"What contradicts the Qur'an, the Sunnah, the Ijma^, and the sayings and actions of the Companions is an innovation of misguidance."
How and from where you get this definition of Innovation. What if i say, its, itself is biddah and those scholar who made this definition did a biddah in, it, itself, while defining it. then? Kindly explain. Why should we rely on scholars; cant they mislead us.
The term “kullu” you interpreted; needs more explanation; How would we justify taking its meaning "the most" not "all" or "every".
The hadith in arabic: "Kullu Bidaatin dalala".
Pakistanee - Why you laugh if somebody gave a reference from a Shia website.
Iqbal1089 - in other words the "innovations" are not always "new". some innovations are "new innovations" but some can be "old innovations". If it is revival then why did they used innovations?
Re: Bidaa… What do you understand from that word?
still persisting with the same incorrect translation… read the full hadith, you’ll see it’s about reviving sunnahs
Re: Bidaa… What do you understand from that word?
To know about the Good or Bad innovation in Islam is not necessary to know about Islam (its boundaries, limitations, its laws etc)completely first? If we don’t know about Islam completely then how can we say, in case if you see a new thing (in our eyes) that this is a good or bad innovation in Islam. Think about it. If we claim that we are Aalim; infect we are Jahil as per Prophet’s (PBUH&HF) Hadith.
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
Bidah is direct tampering with the Islamic Shariah(Law). If for example someone adds another rakat to a salat, it is known as Bidah, you innovated something.
The above definition therefore implies that there is no such thing as GOOD bidah or BAD bidah. A bidah is only a bidah, a sin.
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
(1) what is Islamic Shariah(Law) and what is not?
(2) Is there anything out of it (Islamic Shariah(Law)) for a momin's life?
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
innovations.
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
Ahmad G, when i hear the word Bida'a,, i just think "Wahabi Alert"....
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
Brother, It's simple.
Wahabies do abuse that word and they declare anything that was not used by the Prophet as "Bidaa" meaning misguidance. They don't understand the saying of Prophet Muhammad.
Islamic Law are alsunna, the teachins of Prophet Muhammad that are taken from al-Qur'an.
Let me derive for you the word Bidaa from al-Qur'an.
Allah said in Quran about the followers of Prophet Issa, Jesus "Wa Rahbaniyyatan ibtada^ooha".
It means they innovated (Ibtada^ooha from Bid^a). They innovated "Rahbaniyyah" which is what the followers used to do. That is they left marriage and detached their hearts from worldy interests. Allah said: "Ma katabnaha ^alayhim" We did not make it a must upon them, rather they innovated it. And it was accepted by Allah.
So, for those who say Bidaa only means misguidance, tell them go learn Islamic information from real people of knowledge, and not fromm flipping pages.
Allah knows best.
Re: Bidaa… What do you understand from that word?
To me it’s unclear as to whether it was in fact “accepted by Allah” as you say. How do you derive this understanding?
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
Ibtada^ooha means they innovated it.
Ibtada^a=somone innovated
Yabtadi^o=someone innovating
Bid^a=innovation
It means they innovated (Ibtada^ooha from Bid^a). They innovated "Rahbaniyyah" which is what the followers used to do. That is they left marriage and detached their hearts from worldy interests. Allah said: "Ma katabnaha ^alayhim" We did not make it a must upon them, rather they innovated it. And it was accepted by Allah.
If you need me to collaborate more the linguistic side of it, pleaes don't hesitate to ask, knowledge is not something that anyone should be shy or ashamed to ask about.
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
^ I can read Arabic thank-you... but you obviously can't read English... my question was asking from where do you understand that their innovations were "accepted by Allah"... do you need me to elaborate?
Re: Bidaa... What do you understand from that word?
Hi!
It is easy to solve the problem being posed by different-----^^^
If Bidaah is ??? doing something which prophet did not do; then we should restrain from even celibrating his birth day and many more things, such as using all facilities of technical importance such as aeroplane etc etc wearing coat, pents etc etc
But if it is something not related to him (pbuh) then it is optional. Forget it, if you want do it , if you do not want do not do it.?
Quran tells almost every bit which is prohabited to do by muslims or mankind. Every thing which is not written prohabited or makrough; then it is allowed and is left on every individual to decide; as God has made different categories of mankind depending upon the wisdom HE has besdowed to them.
Re: Bidaa… What do you understand from that word?
If you knew Arabic and you knew the Qur’an, you would have known that the followers of prophet Issa (^alayhi assalam) were true believers in Allah and were true Muslims.
The Ayah in the Qoran was:
وَجَعَلْنَا فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُ رَأْفَةً وَرَحْمَةً وَرَهْبَانِيَّةً ابْتَدَعُوهَا مَا كَتَبْنَاهَا عَلَيْهِمْ إِلاَّ ابْتِغَاء رِضْوَانِ اللهِ فَمَا رَعَوْهَا حَقَّ رِعَايَتِهَا فَآتَيْنَا الَّذِينَ ءامَنُوا مِنْهُمْ أَجْرَهُمْ وَكَثِيرٌ مِّنْهُمْ فَاسِقُونَ
After the word “Ibtada^ooha” (Innovated it) Allah said what means: we did not make it an obligation upon them. They did that clearly for the sake of Allah and His acceptance.. the ayah..
And Allah said about his followers that Allah filled the hearts of the followers of Issa (Jesus) mercy for being obedience to Allah.
Hence, Bid^a is of 2 types: Innovation of Guidance: which is what complies with the Quran, alsunna, Ijma^.
Innovation of Misguidance: which does not comply with the Quran, alsunna, and Ijma^ of the scholars of Islam.
Allah knows best.