Brothers/Sisters,
I have found out that many people don’t understand that word. They misuse it and abuse it.
The word Bidaa was mentioned in more than one hadith, and it had 2 interpertations in both hadihts. One that was a general interpertation and the other certain interpertation.
And Since I have learned Arabic language, I will put the meaning of that word according to the Arabic syntax and according to the Islamic Law.
I ask Allah to benefit us.
Bismillah,
Al Hamdulillah wa sallallahu Ala Rasulillah,
Some people consider any innovation an innovation of misguidance!.
Thus, it's important to clarify this concept, by the hadith of the Prophet that never EVER contradicts.
Those who consider any innovation an innovation of misguidance have been misled, because there are two sahih hadiths which support celebrating such an event. Imam Muslim related, through the route of Jarir Ibn ^Abdullah, the Prophet said: which means:
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There are two types of innovations mentioned in this hadith:
**the innovations of guidance (Bidaatu Hudda) **and
the innovations of misguidance (Bidaatu Dalal).
*As Imam Ash-Shafi3i said.
What complies with the Qur'an, the Sunnah, the Ijma^ (scholarly consensus), and the sayings and practices of the Companions is an innovation of guidance.
What contradicts the Qur'an, the Sunnah, the Ijma^, and the sayings and actions of the Companions is an innovation of misguidance.
This definition of the two types of innovations was given by many knowledgeable and trustworthy scholars of Islam; among them:
Imam ash-Shafi^iyy, (Leader of Shafi3i school)
Imam an-Nawawiyy,
al-Bayhaqiyy, and
the Hafidh, Ibn Hajar al-^Asqalaniyy (Whom interperted sahih al-Bukhariy the best interpertation)
It is apparent Muslims have not gone astray in doing things that don't contradict the Islamic teachings. Such as celebrating the birth of the Prophet, they do it based upon the aforementioned hadith, because the deeds practiced during this event are considered rewardable by the standards of the Religion, and in line with the definition of innovations of guidance.
Unfortunately, there are some people who misinterpret a sahih hadith related by Abu Dawud: which means:
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The hadith in arabic: "Kullu Bidaatin dalala".
Those who are misguided interpret the word (kul) as 'every' and thus claim this hadith means: "Every innovation is an innovation of misguidance. Their claim is unfounded for two reasons. Linguistically, this hadith is similar to the hadith related by al-Bayhaqiyy: which clearly does not mean: "Every eye gazes the look of the adulterer;" "kullu aynin zania" rather, "Most people are guilty of the forbidden look." The person blind since birth would surely not have the forbidden look, and it is known the Prophets would never commit such an abject sin.
The word (kul) as used in both hadiths refers to "most" although it can mean "every" it does not mean this in all cases. As a matter of fact, *in the explanation of Sahih Muslim, an-Nawawiyy said: "The saying of the Prophet, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, is among the terms which are (^am makhsus) i.e., a general statement giving a specific meaning; which is a known field in Islam, and the meaning of the hadith is "most innovations are innovations of misguidance." *
This field is seen in the Qur'an in Ayah 3 of Surat al-Ahqaf: which means [The wind Allah sent as punishment to the people of ^Ad demolished most of the things..]
Insha'llah we can put some examples on the Good bidaa and the bad bidaa.
Allah knows best.
If I'm correct, actually if I'm relating the talks of Imam Shiekh Hamza Yusuf correctly, then Bid'ah means "innovations" and there is assumed to be both good and bad bid'ah. He uses exact terms for each-example of good Bid'ah is given to be the adding of dots/lines to the Qoran so non Arabs could read it more accurately. A good innovation.
Its only really the hardline sects of saudi-pertol money laced muslims that oppose any innovation, and thats usually cos there small minds cant comprehend the flexibility of this deen we were bestowed with.
here is an interesting site about WAHABI BIDAH TRUTH:
haha.. shia website..
The site is not about “WAHABI BIDAH TRUTH” as per the general understanding and application of the term “Wahabi”. Rather the site throws into the melting pot everyone who, in the site owner’s distorted view, hates the noble companion Ali ibn Abi Talib (r). The site is about Nasibi Wahabis (whoever they are?) and they define a Nasibi as those “who hate Ameer ul Momineen Ali bin Abi Talib (as) and take that enmity as part of their faith” and see this as justification for vilifying Wahabis, Hanafis (including Abu Hanifa himself), Deobandis, ibn Taymiyya, ibn Kathir and many others. The site owner either has a lot of hatred in his/her heart or he/she is very confused.
Iqbal
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*Originally posted by Ahmad G: *
**Imam Muslim related, through the route of Jarir Ibn Abdullah, the Prophet said: which means:
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I think it is important to consider this hadith in context. The report of Jarir ibn Abdullah (r) as recorded in Sahih Muslim tells us that certain Bedouin came to the Prophet (s) who were poor and facing difficult circumstances. So the Prophet (s) encouraged people to assist them if they could but those around him were initially slow to respond and this saddened him, so much so that the disappointment could be seen on his face. Eventually, one man came forward with some silver. This spurred the others on as well and one by one more donors came forward, following the example of the first man. It is at this point that the Prophet said: "The one who innovates a good innovation in Islam has its reward and a reward similar to those who follow him in it... etc."
So in this story what the Prophet (s) termed "good innovation" was nothing more than an act of charity that one person performed and which was then emulated by others. Giving charity, in this sense, is not at all an "innovation" and in fact forms part of the Prophet's (s) own example. So i don't see how this report can be used to justify other "innovations". Actually, what this incident seems to lend evidence to is that a person is rewarded abundantly for "reviving" and "encouraging" a religious activity that was no longer being practiced or that people had become lax in applying. This is just what the man in this hadith did, he found others around him not coming forward to give charity and so by his own actions he revived and encouraged that particular good deed. A "good innovation", in this context, would be something already legislated in Islam, such as giving charity to the poor, but its enactment has been forgotten or has lessened so someone encourages it once more among the Muslim community.
In contrast, an "innovation of misguidance" would be something that was never legislated in Islam and which people introduce as something entirely new, using the term "good innovation" as justification. In this regards is the hadith: "Whoever innovates something into this affair of ours (i.e. Islam) that is not part of it will have it rejected." (Bukhari)
And Allah knows best.
Iqbal
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So in this story what the Prophet (s) termed "good innovation" was nothing more than an act of charity that one person performed and which was then emulated by others. Giving charity, in this sense, is not at all an "innovation" and in fact forms part of the Prophet's (s) own example. So i don't see how this report can be used to justify other "innovations".
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The real question that should be asked here is 'Why does our Holy Prophet Consider acts of Giving Charity (sadaqa) as innovations?'
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*Originally posted by mo_best: *
If I'm correct, actually if I'm relating the talks of Imam Shiekh Hamza Yusuf correctly, then Bid'ah means "innovations" and there is assumed to be both good and bad bid'ah. He uses exact terms for each-example of good Bid'ah is given to be the adding of dots/lines to the Qoran so non Arabs could read it more accurately. A good innovation.
Its only really the hardline sects of saudi-pertol money laced muslims that oppose any innovation, and thats usually cos there small minds cant comprehend the flexibility of this deen we were bestowed with.
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You are Correct.
Saudi-pertol, yes, wahabies are alone in that ideology.
Millions of Muslims are aware the methodology of the Prophet.
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we dont' need shia to tell us who wahabies are.
www.wahabies.cjb.net tells it all.
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*Originally posted by google: *
The real question that should be asked here is 'Why does our Holy Prophet Consider acts of Giving Charity (sadaqa) as innovations?'
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You are right brother, It's not an innovation to give a sadaqa.. it's a matter that is taught in al-Qur'an.. an Innovation is like building Mihrab in the Mosque.. or Saying Salat (darood) on the Propeht after azan. Which is a good innovation, because it complies with the Qur'an and sunnah.
So, Let us just understand that:
There is a good Bidaah.
and a Bad Bidaah.
When the Prophet said Good innovation, he had opened the door for us to good inovations and the reward for it.
Here are some of the good innovations:
Second Athan
Prophet Muhamamd neved did that.
Making salat on Prophet Muhammad after the athan
Prophet Muhamamd neved did that.
Adding in shadah when you say ..Wa Ashadu anna Muhammada-Rassaulullah, Sayiduna ^Umar added "wahdahu la sharika lah" and he said: "Ana zidtuha" meaning I have added that.
Prophet Muhamamd neved did that.
Praying taraweeh in congragation, Our Master ^Umar made that and oredered Muslims to pray it together while Prophet did not.
Prophet Muhamamd neved did that.
Making a Mihrab (Where the Khateeb, Jumu^ah speaker stands) for the the Khateeb in Jumu^ah prayer. It was not done on Prophet Muhammad's time.
Prophet Muhamamd neved did that.
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The first man who added that was Yahya bin Ya^mur as he was a great Man and has done a great innovation otherwise we would not be able to read Al Qur'an.
Miladun-Nabiyy sallallahu ^layhi wassallam is a good innovation as well.
Using Tasbeeh, or (Masbaha).. the line of beads to mention Allah, is also another good innovation. Imam Abu Bakr used to use small stones to for tasbeeh. And there is a da^eef (weak) hadith for the propeht which means: "As-Subaha (The tasbeeh, the beads..) is a great innovation" and weak hadiths are used for the good deeds.
And all of these innovations comply with the Religion.
Among the bad innovations:
So for respect, I tell the brothers to put the whole salat and tasleem. Prophet Muhammad said which means: "The greedy person is the one who does not praise me when my name is mentioned"..
So Sallallahu ^la sayyidina Muhammad wa ^ala 'Alihi wa Sahbihy wa sallam.
It's not haram, but it's bad innovation to do that. It's rewardable to put the full Salat and Tasleem on the prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam).
Allah knows best.
unlikely that a Prophet of God would call anyone greedy for not sending "tasleem" on him...
btw where did u get that "Tasleem" = Praise??
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*Originally posted by Ahmad G: *
*You are right brother, It's not an innovation to give a sadaqa.. it's a matter that is taught in al-Qur'an.. *
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Exactly. So the hadith cited from Sahih Muslim has nothing to do with introducing new innovations. The context of the hadith shows that what the Prophet (s) encouraged was the "revival" of a religious activity. Otherwise, the Prophet's (s) words at the end of the hadith bare no relation to the incident he was commenting on.
And Allah knows best.
Iqbal
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*Originally posted by Ahmad G: *
**Here are some of the good innovations:
Do you mean the second adhan for the Friday prayer? 'Uthman (r) asked that an adhan be delivered in the market place when the size of the Muslim community increased greatly so that everyone was aware that the Friday prayer was approaching. It's interesting how many of those who adhere to two adhans don't do this at all, they make both adhans from the same place, usually within the mosque, which completely defeats the purpose that Uthman (r) had in mind.
In any case, Uthman's (r) introduction of this practice falls within the bounds of the Prophet's (s) instruction to: "Adhere to my sunnah and the sunnah of the rightly-guided Khalifas after me." (Abu Dawud). If the Prophet (s) asked us to adhere to Uthman's (r) sunnah, then this action of his can never be termed an innovation or used to justify innovations.
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- Making salat on Prophet Muhammad after the athan
Prophet Muhamamd neved did that.
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Again, this is perhaps not an innovation in the true sense of the word, rather it arises from a difference in interpreting the import of specific Prophetic hadith. For example, the hadith:
"When you hear the Mu'adhin, say what he says, then send blessings upon me. Whoever sends blessings upon me once, Allah sends upon him ten mercies... " (Sahih Muslim)
So the Prophet (s) positively encouraged us to send blessings upon him after each adhan. How such blessings are to be pronounced may be open to interpretation.
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- Adding in shadah when you say ..Wa Ashadu anna Muhammada-Rassaulullah, Sayiduna ^Umar added "wahdahu la sharika lah" and he said: "Ana zidtuha" meaning I have added that.
Prophet Muhamamd neved did that.
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I'm assuming that you are referring to what ibn 'Umar (r) would recite during the Tashahhud. But this is not an addition he invented since Abu Musa al-Ashari (r) reports this form of Tashahhud directly from the Prophet (s) himself.
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- Praying taraweeh in congragation, Our Master ^Umar made that and oredered Muslims to pray it together while Prophet did not.
Prophet Muhamamd neved did that.
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The Prophet (s) did lead Tarawih in congregation for a few days as cited in Sahih al-Bukhari, Muslim, at-Tirmidhi and elsewhere. 'Umar ibn al-Khattab (r) didn't invent this, he "revived" it.
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- Making a Mihrab (Where the Khateeb, Jumu^ah speaker stands) for the the Khateeb in Jumu^ah prayer. It was not done on Prophet Muhammad's time.
Prophet Muhamamd neved did that.
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This has more to do with design and architecture than religious practice. Interestingly, Prophet Zakariyya (as) prayed in a kind of mihrab: "While he was standing in prayer in the chamber (al-mihrab), the angels called unto him..." (3:39) so mihrabs are not completely unknown.
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- Also Putting dots for the Qur'an, a dot under the Ba' letter, a dot above the Fa' letter.. that was not done during Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam. So if it's a Bid^ah tell your sect to remove all the dots and let them read the Qur'an without the dots!!. ;-)
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The system of diacritical points and vowels didn't exist at that time so of course the Prophet (s) himself didn't do it. An innovation is something that the Prophet (s) could have done but chose not to do it. In any case, their purpose is so that the written Qur'an matches the recited Qur'an since all the vowels are already inherent in the recital.
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- Miladun-Nabiyy sallallahu ^layhi wassallam is a good innovation as well.
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Those who ascribe to this view cite as evidence certain statements and practices of the Prophet (s) himself, such as the fact that he would fast on Monday's because that was the day he was born. If that argument is accepted, Milad would have a precedent and so wouldn't be an innovation in the sense that you are trying to portray. Those who disagree do so on the basis that Milad as it is known today was unheard of in the time of the Prophet (s) and his companions. That is the safest approach, to leave whatever the Prophet (s) himself left.
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- Using Tasbeeh, or (Masbaha).. the line of beads to mention Allah, is also another good innovation. Imam Abu Bakr used to use small stones to for tasbeeh.
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If Abu Bakr (r) did use them it would again fall within the address of the hadith previously cited where we are asked to follow the sunnah of the rightly-guided Khalifas.
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And there is a da^eef (weak) hadith for the propeht which means: "As-Subaha (The tasbeeh, the beads..) is a great innovation" and weak hadiths are used for the good deeds.
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I've seen this hadith but with the wording "What a good reminder is the subhah" without mention of "great innovation" as you've presented it. Perhaps you can cite a reference.
Weak hadith, according to a number of scholars, may be used as encouragement to do good deeds. They can't, however, be used to introduce "new" good deeds. Having said that, Yahya ibn Ma'in (d.233H), Bukhari, Muslim, ibn Hazm (d.456H), Qadi Abu Bakr al-Maliki (d.543H) and others held the view that weak hadith may not be used under any circumstance. Furthermore, there are conditions set by those who agree to using weak hadith which are often ignored, among them is what Hafidh ibn Hajar (d.852H) said: "That there be a general legal basis for it *. This excludes what is invented and has no legal basis to start with."
In conclusion, the examples you've cited in order to give validity to the "good innovations" argument are certainly all open to debate. In some cases, as i've tried to highlight, what you've mentioned as a good innovation was actually practiced by the Prophet (s) himself or it was carried out by people whose example he had instructed us to follow so they don't lend any weight to your view as i see it.
And Allah knows best
Iqbal*
Every Innovation is a Misguidance
SAHÂBAH ATTITUDE TOWARDS INNOVATIONS
More on the topic:
http://www.islamicity.org/dialogue/Q281.HTM
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&CR=249&dgn=3
http://quraan.com/Bidah/Bidah.asp
http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?secID=BDH&loadpage=displaysection.cfm
The Danger of Bid’ah (Innovation)
Bidah - its Evil and Refutation
If you want to learn more about other Islamic topics:
The only difference here is that “wahhabiya” don’t like to ADD things into Islam and on the other hand you being the “modern mullah” think you have the authority to add anything by labeling it “good.” Sort a like US justifying attacks on anyone by labeling them “al-qaeda” or “evil.”
Islamic world is already devastated! It does not need more division and certainly it does not need more baseless lies from power hungry “i am rightly guided person” mullahs like your self AG!
We should be following Islam that was followed by Prophet Muhammed and his companions and we should STOP thinking about adding new “good” things that were never part of islam when God completed it. (surah maidah verse 3) Unless we have bigots like the guy who started this thread and whose mullahs think they have the authority to add anything into islam and who ever stops them, criticises them based on facts from ahadeeths and quran is doomed!
This discussion is turning to Sunni versus Salafi thread.
Proceed with caution.
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*Originally posted by Rangeela Guppy: *
*Islamic world is already devastated! It does not need more division and certainly it does not need more baseless lies from power hungry *"i am rightly guided person" mullahs like your self AG!
Unless we have bigots like the guy who started this thread and whose mullahs think they have the authority to add anything into islam and who ever stops them, criticises them based on facts from ahadeeths and quran is doomed! **
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Is this harshness really called for (see Qur'an 3:159 & 4:148)? Differences of opinion, particularly in jurisprudence, do not always lead to "division", unless, that is, one vehemently lambastes anyone and everyone that disagrees with a point of view that one personally holds. That, i feel, is a more likely recipe for division.
Iqbal
Iqbal,
Even though I agree with you on the explainations of the so called innovations, Muslims do not agree upon who are included in being "rightly guided". And by that I am not talking only of the Shia/Sunni rift but also about other Khalifa later on who claimed to be rightly guided & their followers tend to believe them as such for the right or wrong reasons. And that gives a totally new meaning to the Hadiths you mentioned & its implications.
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Differences of opinion, particularly in jurisprudence, do not always lead to "division", unless, that is, one vehemently lambastes anyone and everyone that disagrees with a point of view that one personally holds. That, i feel, is a more likely recipe for division.
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MashAllah! :)