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My brothers fear Allah, haughtiness is a charecteristic of satan and the reason for his falling from grace.

Asabiyah (Racism) and Takabur (Arrogance) are two of the deadliest sins in Islam.

Allah :subhanahu: says (intrepretation of the meaning):

“The Faithful are but brothers…” [The Noble Quran 49:10]

“O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has Piety. Verily, Allah is All‑Knowing, All‑Aware” [The Noble Koran 49:13]

“And turn not your face away from men with pride, nor walk in insolence through the earth. Verily, Allaah likes not any arrogant boaster." [The Noble Koran 31:18]

“And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allah, and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allah’s Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allah makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided” [The Noble Koran 3:103]

The Prophet :saw2: said:

“An Arab has no superiority over a Non-Arab, nor has a Non-Arab any superiority over an Arab, nor has a Black man any superiority over a White man or a White man over a Black man except by the criterion of Piety. All of you are from Adam, and Adam is from dust.”

“Allah does not look at your shapes or your colors but He looks at your hearts (intentions) and your deeds. Creatures are the dependants of Allah and the closest among them to Allah are indeed the most useful to His dependants.”

“He is not one us who calls for Asabiyah (racism, tribalism, clanism) or who fights for Asabiyah or who dies for Asabiyah.”

“Leave it (asabiyah). It is rotten."

“No one who has an atom’s-weight of arrogance in his heart will enter Paradise.”

“On the Day of Resurrection, the arrogant will be gathered like ants in the form of men. Humiliation will overwhelm them from all sides. They will be driven to a prison in Hell called Bawlas, with the hottest fire rising over them, and they will be given to drink of the juice of the inhabitants of Hell, which is teenat al-khabaal.”

“There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of the Time of Ignorance with its boast of ancestral glories. Man is but an Allah-fearing believer or an unfortunate sinner. All people are the children of Adam, and Adam was created out of dust.“

Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of (pre-Islamic) Ignorance and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds. Either believers who are aware or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through dung.”

“The believers, in their love, mutual kindness, and close ties, are like one body; when any part complains, the whole body responds to it with wakefulness and fever.”

“The faithful are like one man: if his eyes suffers, his whole body suffers.”

“The Faithful are to one another like [parts of] a building – each part strengthening the others“

“Every Muslim is a brother to a Muslim, neither wronging him nor allowing him to be wronged. And if anyone helps his brother in need, Allah will help him in his own need; and if anyone removes a calamity from [another] Muslim, Allah will remove from him some of the calamities of the Day of Resurrection; and if anyone shields [another] Muslim from disgrace, Allah will shield him from the disgrace on the Day of Resurrection.”

I never said I want to be an Arab.

I’m a Pashtun and Punjabi. My paternal family is from Mardan (Pashtunkhwa) and my maternal family is from Lahore (Punjab) and I love being Pashtun and Punjabi, love the languages, the cuisine, the culture, the land, the colors, the traditions…

I’m not saying we should abandon our languages, no, they are Allah’s gifts to us and they are beautiful, every language is sacred to me, the Muslim world is a bouquet…

…All I said is all Muslims should also learn Arabic (aswell as our own languages) to unite us because it is the language of the Koran, the language of our Prophet :saw2: and the language of Islamic liturgy…

…If Pakistanis can learn English for wordly purposes and communicate in it on a Pakistani bulletin board or have Urdu as their national language which has nothing to do with Punjabi/Pashto then why can’t we also learn Arabic?

I respect Arabs as fellow Muslims and fellow humanbeings but I do not feel inferior to them or in awe of them, I believe we’re all the same.

Some Arabs might be racist but don’t generalise them all, you get good and bad in every group, including our Pakistanis (as is evident from this thread) and Indians (Jatts look down on Rajputs, Brahmins look down on Khatris).

Some Pakis look down on Bengalis, some Arabs look down on Pakistanis but the types who are racist are usually the secular irreligious types.

I know a lot of Arab boys who are married to Pakistani girls and Pakistani boys who are married to Arab girls.

Just because one person is racist does not mean you should be racist in return, two wrongs don’t make a right and you are not justified to be racist to a whole group because of the actions of a few.

I don’t just believe in Muslim unity, I also believe we Muslims should live cordially in harmony and tolerance with Non-Muslims as fellow humanbeings.

Even if someone is bad to you don’t stoop to their level, forgive those who transgress against you for the sake of Allah and Allah will forgive you your transgressions.

Shamus bro on one hand you talk about looking for a religious girl and then on the other hand you show racism to people of your own religion?

Bro do you know that our religion Islam strictly forbids 'Asabiyah (racism) and Takabur (arrogance)? These my brother are two of the deadliest sins in Islam. Refer to my green and blue post above.

Fear Allah my brother, fear His Wrath because one day you will be held accountable for all your sayings and all your deeds in His court.

Watch what you say to people because he who sins against the people is not forgiven by Allah untill he asks forgiveness of those he wronged.

You never know what you say might hurt someones fellings, cause them depression or cause disunity amongst the Muslim Ummah and for that you might have to burn in the fire of Hell.

Islam isn't about just calling ourselves Muslim, driving flashy cars on Wimmy Rd at Eid, beating up BNP thugs, blasting Islamic rap and acting well hard innit...

Such a shame we are Muslim in name only, we have abandoned all our Islamic values/ethics/morals whilst the Non-Muslims have adopted them, if only we followed the way of our beloved Prophet PBUH and followed Islamic values and ethics like racial-equality, tolerance, charity, animal rights etc. the whole world would become Muslim just like nations use to upon interaction with Muslims and seeing the good charecter of the Muslims but unfortunately we have fallen so low that we have left all the good things our religion teaches and turned to bad things which it forbids like drugs, fights, gangs, bombings, etc. which malign us and our religion.

Islam is so beautiful, we Muslims are so ugly, by calling ourselves Muslim and then going against Islam in everything we say and do we are smearing the image of Islam with mud.

We Muslims are a worser insult to Islam than the blasphemic cartoons and books the Non-Muslim publish.

I feel sick after reading this thread.

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Bro are you Mirpuri or Chachi by any chance?

One of my best friends is a Bengali and he is from Burnley which has a big Chachi Pashtun population, all his friends are Chachis, he can even speak Pashto and Punjabi (Hindko dialect).

I thought he was a Pathan, that's how we got talking, he's blue eyed and creamy skinned but his eyes are oriental and he has a swimmers body instead of the thick-set build Pathans have. He is the most handsomest person I've ever seen Masha Allah.

Bengalis and Gujarati-Muslims have the nicest eyes and hair.

Even in our city Bengalis and Pakis get on well, I have Bengali mates from up north and down south (Ilford etc.) all of who get on well with Pakis.

Banglas are cool ppl man, they're more succesful than us with their multi-million resteraunt chains.

Sad little gagster wannbe faggots who like to fight with anyone different from themselves (whites, bengalis, blacks) give all us Pakis a bad name, they are short-sighted, narrow-minded and know duck-all about the world, scum like that cause disunity amongst Muslims and Brits in general. Who gives a duck about their little cliques? Their vile drug dealing habits? their fake burberry clothes?

This silly racism sh!t has no end, it's like a cancer, you Shamus might only hate non-Pakis... BUT..

...I know Chachis/Pashtuns who gang up on one side and Mirpuris/Punjabis on the other... Do you know how hard that is on someone who belongs to both groups?

Then amongst the Mirpuris you'll have Rajey and Chaudhari hating on each other, amongst the Chachis you have different tribes... Then you get some Pashtuns who don't consider Pashtuns from certain areas Pashtun enough..

Best soloution to this racism problem is the Islamic one, ban racism altogther.

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^ It's interesting what u said about Muslims learning Arabic, I've always wondered why it's never taught to us as a language, I know the Qur'an is written in classical Arabic but still it would be so useful to at least have a gist of the understanding of what so many of us have only ever learnt parrot fashion.. Imo it's kind of ridiculous that we're often reciting lines and we don't even know the** meaning** of what we're saying..

It's wrong to generalise entire sects just as it's wrong to generalise entire religions.

The Taliban are not Salafi/Wahabi, they happen to be Deobandi but Deobandi like any sect is not monolithic, most Deobandis have no alleigance or affinity with the Taliban.

This country has a lot of Deobandi/TJ Mosques and they are staunchly opposed to all forms of terrorism.

The head/center Mosque of Deoband is in India and it is tolerant and respectful, they have issued Fatwas asking Indian Muslims not to eat beef (not because it is Haraam but because it is insensitive towards the religious sentiments of the Hindus), the Deobandis have also declared India Dar Al-Aman (Land of Peace) and forbid any attack on its soil after the Mumbai attacks...

Not all Salafi (Ahle-Hadees in Pak) are terrorist or terrorist sympathisers either, it's so retarted to blame entire sects and cause disunity, that alienates people and pushes them towards terrorism...

...Salafi's have no religious heirachy, there are sub sects within Salafism, everyone intreprets the religion how they see fit, yes some Salafis do bend the religion to support their retarted views (and I have seen some ugly fatwas by some of them which only show the ayat/ahadith which support their retarted agendas) but not all Salafis are like that.

And just because someone is conservative or wears a veil or grows a beard does not equate them to terrorist or extremist...

...Ismailis today put on the most liberal and tolerant facade but even they have some extremely ugly episodes in their history as do Catholics.

Just as you can't call all Catholics extremists and terrorists based on the actions of a few who carried out the inquisitions, crusades, IRA bombings you can't blame all Muslims, Deobandis or Salafis for terrorism...

...All religions and sects need to work togther to root out terrorism from their respective communities.

Alienating and marginalising entire sects worsens the problem because it pushes more ppl towards terrorism..

Exactly sis.

We need Arabic because it is the language of liturgy for us, we have to understand what we say in prayer and translations although good are just not good enough because they seize to be the literal Word of God and they loose a lot of the meaning of the original.

Not just that, it's important as a lingua franca: language of inter-ethnic communication amongst the different Muslim groups: Bengalis, Urdudans, Pashtuns, Punjabis, Gujaratis, Arabs, Sindhis, Kurds, Turks, Chinese-Hui, Somalians etc.....

Our own languages such as Pashto and Bengali are beautiful and we need to retain those as our ethnic languages but we also need to learn our religious language Arabic.

India has lots of languages, each state has its own but they have one constitutional language Hindi uniting them all... In Pakistan we have many regional languages but we also had to pick one national language Urdu as a language of inter-provincial communication... People all over the world have their own regional languages but they also learn English regardless of wehther they're in Bangladesh, Pakistan or Arabia.

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Just as you can't call all Catholics extremists and terrorists based on the actions of a few who carried out the inquisitions, crusades, IRA bombings you can't blame all Muslims, Deobandis or Salafis for terrorism...
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Sorry but the IRA aren't terrorists. You're going to have to use a better example to highlight Catholic extremists, such as Ngo Dinh Diem, the Maronite Phalangists, or the Ustase. The IRA is a liberation group that aims to kick the British out of Northern Ireland.

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:no: pashtun, arab, punjabi, misri, blablabla ! horrible! and we claim to be the best united religion in the world … i think NOT! there are so many thoughts jumbled in my head, i dont even know what to write. what shear racism!
what’s with all this identity crisis drama? why cant we live with one another? and those who are putting a question mark to the arab culture/land … do you want to be muslim or pakistani? because obviously it seems like you are dieing to make a choice, and people just wont let you! while there clearly isnt a distinction. pakistan is home to 96%+ muslims .. and islam didnt come out of the himalayas you know!
i was talking about marriages between two distinct races … like indians and caucasians for example … but whooooaaaa … people dont even want to marry outside their XYZ pashtun or kashmiri tribe!
i wonder what religion they belong to … obviously not islam!
or perhaps religion is not a question to be made here … they r pure atheists … and their god is their big ****ed up ego!

p.s. i think i will stop asking henceforth for why the world is so bad. i got my answer.

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Oye, don't call Pashtuns ugly! You're just as bad as the idiots on here who are against mixed race marriages.

I'm Pashtun and read my posts, I'm as vehemently opposed to racism as you are.

I don't think Shamus is a Pashtun or even of Pashtun descent.

There is nothing wrong with identifying by our nationalities such as Pashtun or English, or by our tribes such as Khattak or Windsor...

What is forbidden is to feel arrogant, proud and haughty because of these labels, to feel we are better than others because of these labels and to support our own kind regardless of whether they are right or wrong simply because they are our kind...

It is God who made us into various nations and tribes so we don't have to shed these labels but what we have to realise is that we are all equal and concepts like racism and racial purity are evil and condemnable, Allah hates people who are racist and who believe in racial purity.

Allah Almighty says in the Noble Koran (intrepretation of the meaning):

"O Mankind! Most certainly, it is We (God almighty) who have created you all from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and it is We who have made you into nations and tribes, that ye may recognise each other (Not that ye may despise each other). Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most Righteous." (The Noble Koran 49:13)

"And mankind is naught but a single nation." (The Noble Koran 2:213)

"And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colors; verily in that are Signs for those who know." (The Noble Koran 30:22)

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nosherwan … i wasnt talking about you … what is this shamus/dhj? isnt kashmiri pathan … or is it different? sorry … but that’s why i put in enclosed brackets that it’s not meant for offending, just making a point. i am really disgusted by shamus’ and dhj’s posts … SERIOUSLY …
but i like your posts … i didnt mean to hurt you. sorry :frowning:

nobody is ugly … but shamus and dhj have just hit a new level of internal ugliness :frowning:

who compared pathans to bengalis as angels to dogs here? :mad3: they should be totally chucked off!! how inhuman!

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Salaam 'Alaykum all,

Sorry sis for misunderstanding you.

Is Shamus Kashmiri? Kashmiri people are not the same ethnic group as Pashtuns. Kashmiri people speak Koshur, we speak Pashto.

Bro Shamus you are not Brahmin anymore, racial purity or shudh ashudh has no meaning in Islam, all are equal in Islam.

I disagree with those that say we should only marry people similar to us.

The Prophet :saw2: had Companions from different ethnic backgrounds e.g. Abdullah the Hebrew, Bilal the Abyssinian, Shuaib the Roman, Salman the Persian and he did not forbid them from marrying Arabs, rather the Prophet :saw2: encouraged his Arab Companions to marry their ladies to them.

The Prophet :saw2: himself married our mother the lady Juwayriyah the Hebrew.

The Prophet :saw2: also married his cousiness a lady belonging to the influential high class Quresh tribe to Zaid a freed-slave boy he fostered.

The Noble Koran also encourages people to marry their believing slaves.

If Arab married Ajam, and Black married White we Muslims would become so much stronger.

People of the European Union are intermarrying, English-German, English-Spanish etc. Why can’t people of the Islamic Union (Ummah) also do the same?

Salaam 'Alaykum all,

Sorry sis for misunderstanding you.

Is Shamus Kashmiri? Kashmiri people are not the same ethnic group as Pashtuns. Kashmiri people speak Koshur, we speak Pashto.

Bro Shamus you are not Brahmin anymore, racial purity or shudh ashudh has no meaning in Islam, all are equal in Islam.

I disagree with those that say we should only marry people similar to us.

The Prophet :saw2: had Companions from different ethnic backgrounds e.g. Abdullah the Hebrew, Bilal the Abyssinian, Shuaib the Roman, Salman the Persian and he did not forbid them from marrying Arabs, rather the Prophet :saw2: encouraged his Arab Companions to marry their ladies to them.

The Prophet :saw2: himself married our mother the lady Juwayriyah the Hebrew.

The Prophet :saw2: also married his cousiness a lady belonging to the influential high class Quresh tribe to Zaid a freed-slave boy he fostered.

The Noble Koran also encourages people to marry their believing slaves.

If Arab married Ajam, and Black married White we Muslims would become so much stronger.

People of the European Union are intermarrying, English-German, English-Spanish etc. Why can’t people of the Islamic Union (Ummah) also do the same?

Nosherwan just quit trying to impress me about Bengalis, they are fugly period. Im kashmiri from Neelam Valley, Pakistan. Yes we do speak Koshur and we have nothing in common with our dear Pathans brother and secondly my ancestors were buddhist who converted to Islam when one of my grandfathers brother spent time with an Iranian sufi saint. Seriously Pakistani and Bengali are extremely different, we have nothing in common at all bar religion.

Farrah go marry you white bf and stop looking to people to see if they will accept you as a couple. Truthfully I find most Indians and Bengalis fugly, most Pakistanis who ancestors come from the Northern regions of Pakistan who are based in the UK that i've met say the same.

P.S : Pakistani girl dont model unlike bengaz because they would be disowned by their families and maybe even honour killed, our girls have izzat and ghairat. There was a programme about Asiana models in which nearly everyone of the models was using some sort of skin whitening lotion and now knowing they are Bengalis, it explains alot.

^ The average half-intelligent Muslim doesn't even believe in honour killings and other bits of outdated tribal CR*P, only backward thinking fools do this sort of thing, I can see what sort of ppl you live around and amongst, the very fact that u think this is a majority thing says a lot about u lol and no, there are more Pakistani and Indian girls trying out for Asiana mag then Bengalis, there are far fewer numbers of Bengali girls around than other desis anyway in the UK (check out the Asiana Facebook group asking girls and guys to come forward, HUNDREDS of UK Pakistani + Indian girls and guys have joined it) and as for 'Fair & Lovely' I think you'll find there are just as many if not more Pakistani girls using it (there are enough threads on here from girls asking how to lighten their skin).. Obviously nice features and clear skin is better than super white skin and ugly oversized features, if u need to think otherwise to feel good about urself that's down to u.. I didn't watch that programme u mentioned, I'm not obsessed with race and colour to the point you seem to be.. Seriously, I wonder what happened to u to become so bitter and twisted and end up with that huge chip on ur shoulder to the point u literally have to go into EVERY thread on the forum that is discussing race or mixed marriages & relationships and pollute it with ur bullsh*t..

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Shamus ... YOU need to quit. This thread was not aimed to acquire acceptance from anyone, and as for people like you, i really don't even care 2-****s! i can be with whoever i want, white, brown, black, yellow ... it's my choice, and Alhamdullilah i dont hold prejudice against anyone. as for you ... just wish for yourself to find a good enough girl within your tight circle .. and pray that your life and hereafter are blissful. whats goes around, comes around! so goodluck my atheist brother!

It is as simple as this .. someone who thinks that his race is superior to any other, and that they are more beautiful than someone else, explains a lot about them. if you dont get this, there is obviously something wrong with your head. Nosherwan has done a good enough job in trying to get the enlightenment across, apparently the darkness surrounding you is a bit too thick!

So anything that i might add, is useless, as unfortunately .. your brain is a dead end.

besides i highly appreciate you coming here and posting your crap, it has served my purpose. if it was not for you, my purpose would've been left a tad bit bland.

i'm beginning to think you're just a troll ... nobody can be that stupid.

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^ He was in Life1 earlier on the thread about 'dating Arabs' (what a surprise).. how is it that a person can become sooooo obsessed with race??