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Tariq..all your allegations are OK...but give me some example that Muslims, Christians or Sikhs have fled from India because of torture.
We know the truth and are proud of our democratic and secular system...though this secular system is in fact a pro Muslim system to some extent..that i actually hate.
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Why minorities fled from Pakistan....the fact is that wherever Muslims are in majority..the minority section start looking for a safe place.
It is a common custom. I donot need any weblink to prover it.
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So when Taj Mahal gonna be destroyed for another Mandir,…
BABRI MOSQUE
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/B/Ba/Babri_Mosque.htm
On the question whether Babri Masjid stands at the site of the alleged Ram Janam Bhoomi temple, it is to be noted the renowned historian and son of former president Sarvepally Radhakrishnan, Prof. S. Gopal, in his lecture delivered at Madras May 2004 , said, “So far no evidence has been found to support the claim the Babri Masjid was constructed on the land that had been earlier occupied by a temple.” He asserted, “In Ayodhya to-day there are still about 30 places where Rama was claimed to have been born.” It is also to be noted that the digging made in the vicinity of the masjid proved futile and no remains of any temple were found.
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Atleast,..they have option to leave if they don’t like to stay or they don’t like the laws,..,…not to be killed by Barbarians,..like RSS,..VHP or other extremists,..groups,…
India doesn’t give them this option,…right,..?
BTW,…you didn’t answer my question,…on which number those minorities are in India,..since there are 4 castes,..
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Ajjan,
I enjoy discussing with you,..you seems to have good knowledge of history…
BUT,..you just tell me onething,…Muslims,..sikhs,.or christians,..who are so poor to feed themselves,..how they gonna migrate from India,…to which country,…???
I want India to recognise that,…if majority of hindus try to push them down,..for the time being its gonna be ok,.but this volcano will explode oneday,..
If history is any guide then,..we must learn from it,…
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Ok, Tariq, let us keep aside Babri issue…..there is dispute over KrishnaJanmBhumi vs Auranzeb Mosque…..you don’t need any survey or digging, excavation to find out that half portion of the temple was damaged and a mosque was built over.
You need to have a look at it, and you find the reality…..will you propose Indian Muslims to give up Aurangzeb Mosque at Mathura to Hindus?
Where minority can run away….when the Saddam regime tortured Kurds…. how they found a way to all over Europe?
How did Afghanis crossed over the border to Pakistan, Russia and India…and the rich to America and Western Europe?
You want to say that Hindus have just picked up all minorities by neck so that they do not run away? Any logic?
Kashmiris are under Army rule so they cannot run away…..Tariq, don’t repeat it, because you do not know the geography of Kashmir.
And for your information many Kashmiri Muslims live in Delhi posh areas and many of them study in top most Indian institutes.
A Question….why Hindus had to run away from Kashmir? I have repeated this question many a time here at GS but never got a reply.
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So, what is the cast of minorities…..yes, this is a good question. Sometimes you prove that you have sense.
Frankly, I am answerless….I don’t know if I have to start from the cast problem?
You know we have a central minister, leader of some Lok Shakti party Mr Paswan…recently there were elections in Bihar and to catch the Muslim vote he was carrying with him a duplicate of Bin Laden in election campaigns….none from our media accused him of being communal….and you know you have been using links of the same semi-educated media to convince us that Hindus torture minorities.
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Hindus push them down is your conclusion…but this volcano will explode, because Muslims are never at terms with the majority community in any country.
Name any country where Muslim minority is at rest?
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You must be thinking of Catholics here. Contraception is allowed in Islam.
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any stats on this supposed massacre that Pakistan miraculously got away with?
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Ajjan,
Hindus will some day find an excuse just like Babri Mosque,…to demolish it,…what is your point here,….
Afghan refugees,..crossed the border to Pakistan,..or Iran ,…which was funded by UN,..even still Pakistan is getting financial help from UN,..for 1.5 Million afghan Refugees,..who never returned to Afghanistan ….Sameway,.. Iran is getting too,…
Pakistan and Iran opened their arms for those afghan refugees,… There is no international law,…to force any country to accept refugees,..If Russia,..India,..Pakistan,..Iran accept them,..then its their goodwill,…
A small of percentage of refugees who are rich,..they always leaves,..quietly,..I hear the stories from Indian Muslims here in US,..
No logic,…where they gonna go,… Pakistan ,…Which is not willing to accept any from India ,…same goes for bengladesh,… China won’t accept either,..then you tell me,..where,…
What percentage of kashmiris live in Delhi posh area,…can you give me some percentage here,….? Let me guess here,…May be 0.5%,..1% or 1.5%…
Hindus ran away from Kashmir ..because hindu barbarian army created a situation for them to leave ,..so that can convince Kashmiris by raping their mothers,..sisters,..and wives,..killing innocent young people in execution style to stay with India,…
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BTW,..I know the geographical location os kashmir,…too:)
Now you got the answer on GS,….
I always ask questions which makes sense,..if it doesn’t make sense to you then,..can’t help it,….
I appreciate your honest & straight answer,…being answer-less.
Politicains,..do anything to get votes,..I have seen this kind behavior in US too,..
Semi-educated media links are actually from Indians,..who knows better than them about India,…
Remember USSR right,..? if still can’t see the parrallels,..then better read history again,…
About Muslims minority ,…
So that’s the reason,…which is keeping this momentum going in India ,..to kill minorities,…not just Muslims,..Sikhs,..Christians and others,… etc,… My topic was about all the minorities,..not just muslims,…if muslims are trouble-makers,..then what about,…other minorities,…what did they do wrong,..other than being Indian…..
BTW,….Can you give me the list of links,..which you think are not trustworthy,…..???
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oh really… can some of u tell that to ur Indian friends.. If that was the case then India should not have thought a second to impose the two child norm.
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I am also a Hindu.. and do u think Ram cares if the temple is bulit on the Mosque or beside it.
Well to be honest Modi cannot be held responsible till the cases against him till proved. But there is hardly anybody in India who feel the other way. Just read how the supreme court directs him in all the cases.He allowed the riot to take place. He was interested in getting re-elected. That done he was back to his normal self again. I think there are better persons in BJP to replace him. Even the top level of BJP is disgusted with his autocratic style of functioning.
Yes ofcourse of majority of Muslims if they think that they did the right thing by killing innocents.. then ofcourse they will pay the price.. and actually they are paying. .
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Where did u get the USSR analogy tariq.:D . Should i teach u history..USSR was an authoritarian govt. India is a democracy.. and ur own congress guys would be willing to accept that .. wont he..:D .
And if u think that just like USSR , India is going to break up.. ha.. its not going to happen. If that was the case as i told u.. that would have happened long back. No state has the tendency to move out. If even a group tries it then we know how to handle them...:p .
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lol…you really don’t know what i’m talking about? 1971 Bangladesh liberation war…google it.
btw, whether or not they “got away with it” is debatable…most of the individual rapists/murderers (Pak soldiers) probably did, for the most part. however, the country and army both paid heavily in terms of reputation and negative legacy…and of course, the country was split in half.
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Vineshvk,
Its not the democratic system,..or authoritarian govt issue here,..The reason I compare India and USSR is,..the same mind set of using force to press their minorities,…and feeling good about it…
Do you know USSR had the mightest Army in the world,..even better than US,…They used to do same things,…instead of addressing the root causes of the problem,..they used force,..which was a temporary solution,…but in the long run,..what happened…we can see that,…
BTW,..as you just said:
This kind a mentality is a recipe of disaster,..find out why that group is trying that,..what are the root causes,…
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nikhil25,
Sooner or later it was bound to happen,..so it happened in 1971,…
I wish all the best to bengladesh,..and shame on pakistan,…wrong is wrong,..no one can defend it,…
BTW,..Indian army is doing samething in Kashmir,…what do you say about that,…???
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Tariq, I think that now we are friends…after all we are tolerating each other while roaming around one and the same scenario.
First, I want to assure you that I find no reason to use links from semi-educated media, as it is your first love. Do me a favor…when you post a link…make some efforts to find out if some important names are used…like a Professor of University said so and so….just make an enquiry if such Professor really exist
You escaped this question. I repeat that this mosque structure does not need any survey or digging….just a look is enough to find the reality that a temple was demolished to create it.
You know the problem only in surface. VHP demands three temple sites…Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi….
Official stand of VHP ….It demands only three Temple sites out of 30000 demolished during Muslim rule in India.
Tariq, you are stubborn against information. I repeat, it is a common outcome of repression that people run away for refuge…it does not depend if some one is ready to accept them or not. And during repression the migration takes place in large numbers and not just one or two stories you came across in US.
But for some strange reasons I find that minorities are staying in India…at least from Kashmir they could run for refuge. Again, don’t make a claim that you know the geography of Kashmir!
How many Kashmiri Muslims are living in Delhi? I never had any reason to go and count them.
May be you are right…but it actually happened in 1989-1990…still army was not positioned there.
Hindus were given a notice with three options…1. Accept Islam, 2. Leave Kashmir, 3. Face death.
(Make some digging in Kashmir Pundits official sites and you will find the answer. My source of information are the direct sufferers…I mean Hindu migrants from Kashmir.)
No friend….first of all it will take time to understand, what actually you want to know. You open another thread, as I would like to know what other Indians say on this topic….in fact it is a question directly related to Indian culture, and politics comes later.
Yes, this (Indian) semi educated media is a real problem. It provides you a base to prove that behind all Islamic atrocities there is a design. This media will create an uproar if Modi or Acharya Dharmenra says something, but it keeps quite when Paswan uses a Bin Laden look like to allure the Muslims.
So, you decide whose links you are using to create a garbage mess in your mind!
USSR was not an ethnic entity. It was artificially created with the idea of a self-sufficient internal dependent economy.
Moreover, the global economy disintegrated it, and not an internal revolt.
(And between you and me…the top Communists of communist party had enough money, collected thru illegal means, to enter the world market individually, hence they were getting bore in the boundaries of USSR….to understand this fact you have to thoroughly scrutinize what actually happened after Brezhnev’ death.
Though one point we cannot ignore that Afghanistan is also one of the major reasons.
Yes, you cannot name any country where Muslims are at rest with the majority. In fact is a base problem of Islam…..
Where did you get an idea that all minorities are at unrest in India?
I am still under impression that you want to study about India. Good…don’t run after your favored links like www.dalit.org or www.khalistan.org (you know that thousand of sites are roaming around particularly against Muslims….will you accept them as final truth?)
Better you go to some library…pick up some 20 or 25 books of different writers and read them thoroughly…may be you will get answer to many of your confusions.
I am putting up all questions together in my next post for your ease…may be you prefer not to escape…
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will you propose the Indian Muslims to hand over Auranzeb Mosque site to Hindus?
Why minorities of India do not follow the general trend and run for refuge against repression?
Name any country where Muslims are at rest with the majority community?
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Hei look u cannot have one billion of people happy all the time. U need to have a strong father or mother to even keep 10 of the siblings together. We need a strong centre who can take decision with larger India into consideration than small groups. And my dear.. that is why India need to be democratic. It will lead to a way to to express the disire of the people in a peacefull way. But if certain groups resort to violence.. then ofcourse they will be crushed. Now tell me which govt. doesnt do that..
. Will of the people is will of the majority of 1 billion of the people. . not the few thousands who wants to leave even if those thousands extends to couple of millions too it does not affect.If India has to break up then there should be millions on the street. Which is near impossible.Because i know India more than u do.