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I'll tell you guys what betrayel is - the act of a man who worked the crowds systematically to break his own MOTHERland up for personal gains - that is betrayel
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If Indian Muslims don’t know that contraception is allowed in Islam, that their problem, not mine. The government of India should have said something about that.
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Nope. Try again. All the websites that talk about this so-called massacre are biased and do not have a shred of credibility. And even if it did happen, Pakistan must be smarter than Nazi Germany if Pakistan got away with it and not one soul went to trial. As for reputation and legacy, that’s total BS with no proof what so ever.
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a) whether or not there was a massacre is not up for debate by ANYBODY…the debate is about how many people were murdered…whether it was 300,000, 3 million, or even the allegation of 30 million, etc.
b) your argument that “if there was a massacre, there must have been tons of trials and convictions to show for it” would perhaps be valid in a dream world…but not in this world. there are currently hundreds of world politicians and military officers that presided over genocides that were not only unpunished, but are still in power today, and most of the others died unpunished too.
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Ajjan,
Actually, Its good to discuss and see both side of the picture…
Don’t worry,…you will get links which will be verifiable.
I think I gave my answer quite candidly,…before,….the answer of my this question,..will be the answer of your question as well…..
Do you think VHP or others involved @ Ayodhya Fiasco will listen to muslims before destroying Mosques ? What reason they have this time,..that there used to a RAM mandir as they had an excuse last time ? for which there was no conclusive outcome or proof,….
They did in 1992 and they can do again anytime they want….Since they claimed last time that there was a RAM mandir there,..but there were 30 other places in the same area where they could have found it…..The Day they demolished that Babri Mosque,..to win the Hindu majority vote at the expense of this historical site demolition ,..since then India’s secularism in the world has a big question mark…..Alongwith indian way of democracy,….Win the majority hindu votes @ the expense of Minorities.
I think I know the geography of Kashmir,…Pakistani side and Indian side……
My question was,..where they can go,…???Pakistan-China-Bengladesh won’t take them,..may be Bhutan or Nepal,…..right,..
Therefore,…there is nothing to be stubborn about any information…..facts are facts,…
It was your response,..I just asked the question,…I don’t want you to count them any way..
So you are telling me that Farooq Abdullah,..who was New Delhi’s puppet in Indian Kashmir, actually gave notice to Indians there,..you could have come up with something better than this buddy….Do you know,…Indian Held kashmir’s chief minister is new Delhi puppet…..or no ?
If this kind facts you are getting from bollywood then,..stop watching bollywood movies man,…..LOL
Good…one thing at a time,…then….
Ajjan,…Your own,..retired naval chief wrote a letter to President of India,….your own higher govt official are united with one voice about MODI,…who killed muslims to get majority Hindu votes,…are you defending him here ??? I can give you the site,..even from your own Indian papers,……wanna see in detail,…
Again one more time,…………The only thing common between India & USSR is to use force to keep different religion/culture etc down….I am not discussing,..political systems here….Do you know,..USA even has dozens of militias fighting against Govt,…even though they have democracy for 200 plus years now,…you must address the root causes of trouble,..and solve it,..because,..minorities are your citizens ,….don’t abuse them to get majority Votes….I hope you know what I am trying to say here……
I agree 100%…with you on this.
Country is USA,..where there are 6 plus million Muslims are living. 3 Big religion are here,..JEWS,…Christains who are in majority and MUSLIMS. Muslims are at rest with JEWS,..and CHRISTIANS. There may be other countries too,..but I don’t know much.
About minorities unrest in India,….Welcome to 21st century buddy,…old days are gone,..informations comes out in many ways,…So you believe they are resting good in India,..right,..?
Why should I escape,…BTW,…if the links point out to something,..which we don’t like then we can give our side of the facts,…
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Vineshvk,
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Hei look u cannot have one billion of people happy all the time. U need to have a strong father or mother to even keep 10 of the siblings together. We need a strong centre who can take decision with larger India into consideration than small groups. And my dear.. that is why India need to be democratic. It will lead to a way to to express the disire of the people in a peacefull way. But if certain groups resort to violence.. then ofcourse they will be crushed.
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Vineshvk,
A country who saw,…one family rule for like 4 decade,….like dictatorship,…a democracy where,…you need blood from your minorities to get majority votes,…I am wondering,..what’s gonna happen when all the minorities are killed and exterminated,…how you guyz gonna get majority votes,……did you ever think of that,…???????
Why those group resort to violence,….are you depriving them of their rights,..or are you doing any unjustly things with them,…????what is it,…????
If you are democratic and secular,..then act like one too,..not the way you been doing in the past…..How many muslims blood was needed by MODI to get elected,..????
In the world,..everybody is watching with their own eyes,..you can say million things to the world about your democracy or secularism,…do they believe it,….I don’t think so,..?????then who is fooling whom,….think about it,…????????
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Now tell me which govt. doesnt do that.. . Will of the people is will of the majority of 1 billion of the people. . not the few thousands who wants to leave even if those thousands extends to couple of millions too it does not affect.If India has to break up then there should be millions on the street. Which is near impossible.Because i know India more than u do
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First of all,…Breaking of India or not breaking of India,..is not the point,…here,…I agree you know more,…but my point is,...If you claim to be secular and democratic,…then show it,….Indian democracy is different than the rest of the world’s democracy……sameway,…Indian secularism is different than others,….having just different minorities is not a secularism,…its much more than that,…Hindus just started ruling on their own,..like 58 years now,..before they never had an opportunity to rule,….even way back in the past,..they never ruled as a whole country,..other than small states etc….
If you need Military force to hold down your minorities then something is wrong with your democracy and secularism…. Simple is that…
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Tariq…once again you escape the moral issue…you are again stubborn on Ayodhya. Do me a favor, check the Pakistan cities municipal archives and find out how many non-Muslims worship places have just vanished since 1947…..sorry for that you have a good answer that yours is an ‘ideological country’, hence anything against minorities is logical.
Can you for the time being keep aside Ayodhya? I am asking you about Mathura Mosque…….
Mathura mosque….It is adjoining to Krishna temple, half portion of the temple was destroyed and a mosque was created.
- Do you as a good Muslim favor Indian Muslims to hand over the Mathura Mosque site to Hindus? This question you have escaped.
Minorities don’t prefer to leave India. You have completely extraordinary answer, contrary to common norms of life.
- Why minorities do not migrate from India if Indian state is so repressive? This question you have escaped.
Muslims in America are good citizens. I think ‘nations of Islam’ is a yanki boy of America and 9/11 is the most favorable historical event of USA.
- Name any country where Muslims are at rest with the majority? You have no answer to this question.
Kashmiri Hindus were given three options…1. Accept Islam…..2…. Face death…3. Leave Kashmir. Yours is the first and most funny reply to this answer. How far you can go to defend your folk!
I challenge that you can go around, find funny replies, but will never be able to answer a sensible reply, your ideology is a burden.
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^ critical points being made here. we all keep hoping that the extremist islamist sobs are misinterpreting the Quran. But it does get tiresome. Why do we hear more not less, of virulent mullahs and bombings!
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read the following
There is also over-emphasis on the military dimension of the Kashmir policy to the neglect of the political and economic aspects. This is not surprising, considering Pakistan’s internal political history in which the military has played a predominant role that is still as regrettable as it is counter-productive. Obviously, our policymakers have not drawn the right lessons from history and world events such as the disintegration of the Soviet Union.
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Ha.. its clear u do not know much about Indian politics.. the Muslims and minorities are the biggest supporters of the congress..:D . If u dont believe me.. ask any Indian friends of urs.. he will tell u the same thing.
Well everybody is seeing.. and nobody ever told me that in India minorities are at risk...other than a pakistani guy..:D . The world knows..that and does everybody else.. only Pakistan wants to deny it what they are seeing. because that will defeat the whole purpose of their creation right. :D . Ok buddy.. have a nice time. Some occasion somethings might happen.. But that is only a passing trend not the tred in itself.
So u think US has no problem with Muslims.. :D . Ok good for u. But many in this forum feels otherwise..
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anjjan
In sindh hindus have all their temples,..and in other cities all the christians have all of their churches,..alongwith their missionary schools,…since we have 3% left in Pakistan,…they have all their worship places,…if you have any information about demolished places then bring it out in the open,…
I think even you don’t know what you are trying to ask me,…Babri Masjid issue is interconnected with other masjid’s issues…How you can leave one and answer other,… Babri Masjid was bulit by BABIR,…AurangZen Masjid was built by AurangZeb,…who built the third mosjid,..???can you give us the name,…???,..So this time krishna mandir theory is being used now,…who says that,..???
All of sudden,..like 58 years later,…you guyz just suddenly remembered,..No wonder BJP has good prospects of winning this time,…
BTW,..Taj Mahal was bulit by Shah Jahan,…so when its gonna be demiloshed,…??? Is this a Masjid vs Temple issue or,..Demolishing the mosques,…which reminds you guyz about muslims rulers,…???give me the Answer…???
You are asking a question without giving out the reason,..why you need it,…Just like Babri Masjid,..where whole world knows,..you guyz screwed up,…
My answer is still the same,…Demolish it,..whenever you feel like it,..who are the indian muslims to stop you guyz,…
Don’t play childish here,..you are given this answer like 3 times already,…if still you can’t understand then,..have somebody translate it for you:)
OK,…tell me,..how many christians, Muslims,..Sikhs,..Dalits,..and other minorities are,..?
You will get my answer,…
Nation of Islam ,…has just islamic name,…it has nothing to do with Islam,…they have different prophet and different theology,…find out about it,…your knowledge seems to be limited here,…
MISCONCEPTION : The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group.
Islam and the so called “Nation of Islam’” are two different religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its members are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain. The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used by both. “The Nation of Islam” is a misnomer; this religion should be called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propogator, Louis Farrakhan.
Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example, Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the ‘black man’ was the original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of God, the only difference being in one’s piety. There are many other theological examples that show the 'Nation’s teachings have little to do with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim are 1. the Quran and 2. authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings under the label of “Islam” which contradict or at variance with the direct understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam form the Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a religion should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult. In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam. such an example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.
In north America,…Canada,..USA,..I know,..Because I live here,..that’s why, I gave you these names,…don’t be so excited here…calm down…
Are we talking about Indian-held Kashmir or,..Pakistan Kashmir,..answer me,…???then you will get your answer,…
Depends,..to you what sensible reply means,..If for some reason,..you can’t answer my questions raised with my answer then,..I can’t help you,..
We never claimed that we are better than others,..but,.India,..Tirelessly trying its best to portray itself as Secular and democratic,…Neither its Secular,…nor its Democratic,…
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Vineshvk,
Thanx for the response,…US has no problem with Muslims,…as I said earlier,… if many in this forum feel otherwise then they may have their own reasons,..which I don’t know,..until we discuss it,…
My pointed remark and answer was,..about MODI and Company,…that how many muslims blood is needed to get re-elected…If muslims like congress then,..good for them…
BTW,..will be looking forward to discuss issues with you,…anytime,..
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An additional nine countries Freedom House rates as “Not Free” enjoy membership on the Commission: Bhutan, Egypt, Guinea, Mauritania, Pakistan, Qatar, Russia, Swaziland, and Togo. Together, “Not Free” countries comprise just over one quarter of the Commission’s membership. A breakdown by Freedom House ranking of CHR members available
The report, “The Worst of the Worst: The World’s Most Repressive Societies 2005,” includes detailed summations of the dire human rights situations in Belarus, Burma (Myanmar), China, Cuba, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Laos, Libya, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, and Zimbabwe. Chechnya, Tibet, and Western Sahara are included as territories under Russian, Chinese, and Moroccan jurisdictions respectively.
The report is available online.
Significantly, six of the eighteen most repressive governments–those of China, Cuba, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Zimbabwe–are members of the Commission on Human Rights (CHR), representing nearly 11 percent of the 53-member body
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Rvikz,
Pakistan saw democratic and Army rule since independance…down the road they screwed up,… and paid for it too…
Pakistan and India must learn from History,…not long ago,..we used to be one big sub-continent…now three countries,…what’s next,…depends upon,..how much lesson is learned from the past…I think now they realize it,…how to take different approach and solve outstanding issues,…which is good sign,…
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Can we have their definition of Freedom,…
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On these GS forums,…I think I openly fought with my fellow pakistani pro-mullah fanatics,…I wish ,..either they must be exterminated or given a crach course like those russians,..who served time in Siberia,…during USSR time,…
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Ajjan,
Remember,.....India claims to be Secular and Democratic country here,...Not Pakistan,....that's why,..you have to put up with all the questions being raised or asked,...
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so you agree democratic and secular goverment is most ideal form of goverment?
do you like the system where you live now? why pakistan does not want this
system?
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Here in USA,..we don’t see bloodbath or killings or anything like that,..while worlds 3 big religions are living together,…
Whether its a more ideal form of Govt,…I think its debatable…