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Well,…BJP in the center,…and BJP chief Minister in Gujrat,…now your arguement is :

I agree,..But how you can deny these facts,…as follows:

"The Gujarat carnage was especially coloured by state complicity in the violence, in premeditation and planning behind the attacks on the lives, dignity, livelihoods, businesses and properties of a section of the population-Muslims-and a selective assault on their religious and cultural places of worship. Muslim women were targeted as objects of their community and similarly abused with an inhuman level of violence and sexual crimes. An economic and social boycott of the community was openly encouraged and continues in many parts of Gujarat to date. Agricultural land holdings of Muslims, small and large, have been taken over by dominant community and caste groups. A livelihood for Muslims has been snatched away, and there is a clear-cut and ongoing design to economically cripple the community.

The chief minister of Gujarat, Shri Narendra Modi, has been held by this tribunal to be directly responsible, along with cabinet colleagues and organisations that he leads and patronises-the BJP [Bharatiya Janata Party or Indian People’s Party], RSS [Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh], VHP [Vishva Hindu Parishad] and BD [Bajrang Dal]. For all these reasons together, there is no way that the post-Godhra carnage in Gujarat can escape being called squarely what it was-crimes against humanity and genocide. "


Also,..the following is not from khalistan sites:

**GUJARAT GENOCIDE VICTIMS DEMAND JUSTICE - April 18, 2005

**http://archives.zinester.com/76029/45799.html


Vineshvk,

Do you know**,…"JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED "**

I was reading in the paper about one female witness was harrassed by MODI and co,…to keep mouth shut,…or not to testify…:eek:

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http://www.twf.org/News/Y2002/0316-IndiaPogrom.html

5,000 Killed, 50,000 Homeless in India ‘Pogrom’

Former Indian Navy Chief Demands Ban on Extremists, Dismissal of Chief Minister.

An [email=“[email protected]”]independent reporters group claims 5,000 Muslims killed, 50,000 made homeless, hundreds of mosques, and dozens of hotels, shops, and villages destroyed during riots in the Indian province of Gujrat.

Former Chief of the Indian Navy, L. Ramdas, in an open letter to the Indian Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, has condemned the anti-Muslim violence in India describing it as genocide and a “pogrom.” Mr. Ramdas demanded that the Chief Minister of Gujrat be dismissed for his involvement in the anti-Muslim riots, and a ban on “extremist rightwing organizations like the VHP, Bajrang Dal, and the RSS.”

“Clearly this appears to be the culmination of a planned series of attacks on our minority communities by the extremists within the Sangh Parivar,” wrote Mr. Ramdas. “The entire list is too long to cite here, but to name only a few, the past decade has witnessed the destruction of the Babri Masjid in 1992, which led to the Mumbai bomb blasts and the subsequent massacre of innocent Muslims; the burning alive of Father Staines and his sons in Orissa; and the attacks on Christians and their places of worship in Gujrat and elsewhere.”

Hindu](Vaoroi TV – Link xem trực tiếp bóng đá Vào Rồi TV full HD miễn phí)** extremeists, armed with swords and rifles, are reported to have “exploded houses and mosques” with LPG and oxygen cylinders, and are reported to have been supplied with trucks loaded with gasoline and gas cylinders. They are also reported to have been paid Rs 500 ($12.50) per day, and provided food, water, wine, and medical aid. If arrested, their legal expenses were to be covered by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, and if they were killed, it is reported, their families would be given Rs 200,000 ($5,000). **

Based on “actual field surveys and counts in the state of Gujrat,” the independent reporters group estimates the toll of death and destruction as follows:

-** More than 5000 dead, 40 to 50 thousand homeless in 25 relief camps, including 72 people burned inside their homes in Gulmarg society, 29 people killed in Mehsana village, 46 people killed and burned in a truck on Lunawada highway, 18 people burned in the “Best Bakery” in Baroda, 350 Muslim dead thrown in a well near Naroda Patiya, young girls and women molested and raped before burning. **

  • Mosques destroyed: 12 in Baroda, 10 in Ahmedabad, all in the villages affected by riots, and several converted into Hindu temples.

**- Completely burned areas of Ahmedabad: Ansar Nagar, Chamanpura, Nutan Mill, Gulmarg Society, Maryambibi’s Chawl, Barasancha’s Chawl, Darji’s Chawl, Anupam Cinema’s area, Lent Wada, Pannalal’s Chawl, Niranjan’s Chawl, Jhalampura’s Chawl, three societies of Vatwa, three societies of Narol, Guptangar (Juhapura), Naroda Patiya, Mai Fatehshah (Shahpur), Premdarwaja. **

- All the property of small Muslim villages, approximately 200 hotels, two cloth markets (Nawa Bazar and Mangal Bazar with 163 shops) were destroyed.

“The entire nation is shocked at the callousness and inefficiency displayed by the law and order machinery of the Government of Gujarat,” said Mr. Ramdas, “which not only failed to perform its duty to its citizens, but also stood by and in several cases actually incited what can best be described as a ‘pogrom’. Compare this to the scene indelibly imprinted on my mind, when I saw Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India, hop out of an official car and chase away looters and rioters, who were killing Muslims and looting their properties in Connaught Place in August 1947.”


Joseph Kay, “Report exposes role of government in communal violence in India,” WSWS, May 8, 2002

Rukmini Callimachi, “The scars of nationalism,” Daily Herald, May 7, 2003

“‘Babri Masjid demolished at Advani’s behest’](http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=11514),” Times of India, June 7, 2003

**"The primary message of speeches by Acharya Dharmendra and his colleagues was that the holy duty of Hindu youths was to kill and finish off the Muslims . . . **

“Muslims breed like rabbits and their population would soon overtake that of the Hindus. Until now, we Hindus had been moderate in our demands but now we will be demanding all the 30,000 masjids.”–Rajmohan Gandhi, "**Blah, blah, blood](http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_298030,00120001.htm)," Hindustan Times, July 4, 2003]**

After completing a five-month excavation, government archeologists say they have found no evidence of an ancient Hindu temple under the ruins of a 16th century mosque in the northern Indian town of Ayodhya.–"**No Hindu Temple Found Under Ruins of Mosque](http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/384752441.html?did=384752441&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&desc=Religion%3B+IN+BRIEF)," Times Wire Reports, August 16, 2003] **

Javeed Akhter, “Muslim Legacy In India: Do Muslims Deserve The Hatred Of Hindus?,” Media Monitors, November 25, 2003

Copyright © 2002 The Wisdom Fund - Provided that it is not edited, and author name, organization, and web address (www.twf.org) are included, this article may be printed in newspapers and magazines, and displayed on the Internet.

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I didnt deny that Gujarat chief minister Modi is a guy whom every Indian should be proud of. And I didnt deny that the state govt have acted in a way that could have saved thousands of life by bringing the people who commited Godhra under costody.. He neither did that or did controll the riots. People from the subcontinent including desis like u and me are very much bhadkaavu when it comes to religion. And sprinkle some ignorence thrown over it then it is a recipi for disaster. Thats what happened in Gujarat. Yes the lady whom u r talking about .. ha she is now become a laughing stock.. she is changing her stance every second day. She was given full state protection.. her cases were shifted out of gujarat.. and the central govt intervened to make sure that she gets a good hearing.. but she herself is changing her stance everysecond day.. terrible..with that case Modi would have been behind bars.. but this lady is bent upon having him outside.

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Vineshvk,
Thanx for the response,..I just posted about Gujrat above your post,…can you please read it and tell me what’s happening here,…:slight_smile:

BTW,…I am not surprised by that lady,…Coz,.if someone threatens to kill her loved ones,..etc,..then every woman will do the same,…as she is doing,…

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*The entire nation is shocked at the callousness and inefficiency displayed by the law and order machinery of the Government of Gujarat," *


Yes thats my point too.. Modi should have been behind bars.. and he will surly get the punishment he deserves.

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Not Just him,..all others who were in the central govt too,…all big wigs,…you know what I mean here:)

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She is given full protection.. and her family members as wel.. she is gone completely out of mind.. She was supported by many women organisation.. and she started to blame them for all this. I mean its just so ridiculous. She is not living in Gujarat anymore neither are their families.. all Modi related cases have been tried elsewhere..where a non-BJP govt is in place.

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Vineshvk,
what do you think about this,...

**"The primary message of speeches by Acharya Dharmendra and his colleagues was that the holy duty of Hindu youths was to kill and finish off the Muslims . . .

"Muslims breed like rabbits and their population would soon overtake that of the Hindus. Until now, we Hindus had been moderate in our demands but now we will be demanding all the 30,000 masjids."--Rajmohan Gandhi, "Blah, blah, blood," Hindustan Times, July 4, 2003]**

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Vineshvk,
I thought you know India & Pakistan better than me,…:slight_smile:
Use carrot or stick,…whichever works,…:slight_smile:

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I dont know and i dont care.. if people have commited crime.. then they will be punished.. and i believe that. Thats the only time i believe god. :D . U and me can pass judgment on whatver written.. but there are cases going on ... if proven guilty modi will go in.. i want some of the top brass of the police also to be punished for their negligence..

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Who is this acharya.. i never heard of him..
And u should know Tarq.. we hindus have no spiritual head.. We are our own head. He can say many things..let him say..

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Ok,..check this out now,…:slight_smile:

**Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) general secretary Praveen Togadia and its sant samiti president Acharya Dharmendra **

Case against Acharya Dharmendra in Rajasthan

March 24, 2003 21:55 IST

A case has been registered in Rajasthan against Vishwa Hindu Parishad leader Acharya Dharmendra, who is currently under arrest in Madhya Pradesh for making an inflammatory speech.

Acharya Dharmendra’s speech at a “Trishul Deeksha” ceremony in Badnaur town of Bhilwara district in Rajasthan on March 1 was objectionable and capable of causing communal disharmony, police sources said.

A case was registered against him with the Badnaur police station after reviewing cassettes of his speech, the police said.

However, a VHP spokesman said the case was registered under political pressure from the Ashok Gehlot government.

"There is no justification in registering a case after 20 days of the delivery of the speech, which caused no law and order problem, the spokesman said.

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One think i should say is that Muslims are breeding too much. I dont understand why dont they do some family planning.. Most of the muslims are poor because of too many children..Too many madrasas and too many mullahs. Who gave them whatever i dont know but hardly give them a proper education.

In kerala for egs.. its now becoming a big issue.. as the most no. of seats in state legislature is getting increased from the areas where Muslims are in majority.

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Even Bal thackerey was put in Jail for some of his comments instigating violence against muslims during an election compaign.

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Those Indian Muslims,…who proudly call themselves,..INDIAN first and Muslim later,…Must face the consequences now,…right,..?

You agree with those extremists now,…:eek:

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The reason,..I posted about that "Acharya Dharmendra " was to show you who he is,..I don’t care if he goes to jail or not,..now you know,..how we know about these things,..while living thousands of miles away…:slight_smile:

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Hei come on.. i am not saying to terminate muslims.. terrible..:eek: .
what i am saying is that there should be reforms in Muslim faith as to the use of condoms and practice of family planning and also about giving scientific education.

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Hei, India is not one or two persons.. there are a billion and u can find a few like these people also. I am not surprised by that as well.
And if u want to know.. one of the most revered acharyas is now behind bars now in the state of tamil nadu. He could have instigated a large riots.. :smiley: . Nothing happened though thankfully.
Thats my point.

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Check this too,…

http://www.dailyherald.com/special/passagefromindia/hindu.asp

The scars of nationalism
**Suburban Hindu nationalists say their shakhas promote pride, but in India similar groups are linked to atrocities **


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A mass grave in Ahmedabad, Gujarat, in which sixty-one bodies — thirty-four of women and twenty-seven of children — are buried. Since February 27, 2002, more than 850 people have been killed in communal violence in the state of Gujarat, most of them Muslims. Unofficial estimates put the death toll as high as 2,000. The attacks against Muslims in Gujarat have been actively supported by state government officials and by the police. Police told Muslims, “We don’t have any orders to save you.” © 2002 Human Rights Watch

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/india/

“We Have No Orders To Save You”

State Participation and Complicity in Communal Violence in Gujarat

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well i read.. .. the shakhas he is talking about is RSS shakhas.. again i dont like religion getting into politics.. but RSS also do some good services.. they are a quite disciplined paramilitary organization. They helped extensively in the earthquake in Gujarat and also in Tsunami. Yes ofcourse they are like the madrasas.. brain wash people too. I think if u allow madrasas to be in India then RSS would also stay.. that is the problem.. Muslims doesnt want that to close then how do one stop the RSS. After Babri Masjid demolition RSS was banned.. and also some Islamist fundamental organisation as well. But later after few years they were brought back to lifec only for political gains.. any way these are political problems.....