Betrayal Of Sikhs In The Hindu Empire ...

[rvikz]

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@TARIQ786USA

Here in USA,..we don’t see bloodbath or killings or anything like that,..while worlds 3 big religions are living together,…
Whether its a more ideal form of Govt,…I think its debatable…

united states accepts india as largest scular democratic country
degree of difficulty to practise democracy is more in india considering
the gnp,level of literacy and industrilisation .

[TARIQ786USA]

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@rvikz

united states accepts india as largest scular democratic country
degree of difficulty to practise democracy is more in india considering
the gnp,level of literacy and industrilisation .

And blames India too in their US state department Reports and ,…on the floor of US congress,..by Pro-Indian Congressmen,…

Difficulty to practise democracy is,..there,..I know,..that’s what we are saying here,..
How we can work for brighter future,..if we ignore or not discuss today’s faults,…???

[rvikz]

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@TARIQ786USA

And blames India too in their US state department Reports and ,…on the floor of US congress,..by Pro-Indian Congressmen,…

Difficulty to practise democracy is,..there,..I know,..that’s what we are saying here,..
How we can work for brighter future,..if we ignore or not discuss today’s faults,…???

united states also arrived at present stage after 200 years going through
slavery civil war.

[TARIQ786USA]

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@rvikz

united states also arrived at present stage after 200 years going through
slavery civil war.

Yes it did,…I hope India can learn from US history too…and try to avoid pitfalls and takes less time than US…

[anjjan]

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How many non-Islamic temples have vanished in your ideological country since 1947? Why don’t you contact your cities municipality archive people? You will get the answer.

Here are some links showing how your ideological country deals with the minorities…..I hereby say that I am not a party to the links, if you believe your garbage links, like dalit, khalistan org, you must accept these….

http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/dhruvajyotibarua/mip.html

http://www.minorityrights.org/admin/Download/pdf/MRGPakistanReport.pdf

http://www.cswusa.com/Reports%20Pages/Reports-Pakistan.htm

http://www.thepersecution.org/ai/amnst01_5.html

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030702/main8.htm

@TARIQ786USA

[think even you don’t know what you are trying to ask me,…Babri Masjid issue is interconnected with other masjid’s issues…How you can leave one and answer other,… Babri Masjid was bulit by BABIR,…AurangZen Masjid was built by AurangZeb,…who built the third mosjid,..???can you give us the name,…???,..So this time krishna mandir theory is being used now,…who says that,..??? :

Again for your information I write that Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi….these are three sites in the agenda of VHP….only 3 religious sites out of 30000 demolished by Muslims in India. These are centuries old disputes, not taken place just yesterday.

I don’t ask you to forget Babri…you believe that there was no Hindu temple at this site. OK.

What about Mathura? You don’t need any survey or digging…….just have a look at it and find the reality.

Islam is against the demolition of worship places; Islam does not allow offering prayers at a disputed site. (Muslims have told me; do they lie?)

1. So, as a good Muslim, will you ask the good Muslims of India to follow Islam to resolve the disputed Aurangzeb Mosque? Will you ask the good Muslims of India to hand over this religious site back to Hindus?

2. Do you agree that Muslims destroyed Hindu temples in India in mid centuries? (Another puzzling question for you)

Kashi dispute….
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/miscarticles/wdadtkv.html

@TARIQ786USA

[For 58 years Hindus did nothing:

…Yes, we Hindus do not follow your culture. Our fault.
Shall we follow your ideology….remove them from where they have removed you?

@TARIQ786USA

[You are asking a question without giving out the reason,..why you need it

…
Reason is that Aurangzeb destroyed a Hindu temple and built this mosque.
Why we need it…….Never came across such a silly question….Babri Mosque is no more….why do you need it?

@TARIQ786USA

Are we talking about Indian-held Kashmir or,..Pakistan Kashmir,..answer me,…???then you will get your answer,

…

A Hindu is living in POK…..a good joke against all common sense of Muslims.

Kashmiri Hindus were given three options…1. Accept Islam…..2…. Face death…3. Leave Kashmir.
Again I inform you that your religious Jihadi groups gave this ultimatum to Hindus in 1989-90.

@TARIQ786USA

[OK,…tell me,..how many christians, Muslims,..Sikhs,..Dalits,..and other minorities are,..?
You will get my answer,.

…
Hindus 84%, Muslims 13%, rest 3% is shared by Sikhs, Budhists, Christians etc….is a rough idea, for correction check some Indian or anti-Indian site. Muslim population has increased a little as per the ratio since 1947.
So you tell me…..

3. Why minorities do not migrate from India if Indian state is so repressive? This question you have escaped.

@TARIQ786USA

In north America,…Canada,..USA,..I know,..Because I live here,..that’s why, I gave you these names,…don’t be so excited here…calm down…

…
In these countries there is no native ethnic majority. Hence, here you have conflicts direct with the law. As a result all Asians are scrutinized.
So you have still to answer me….

4. Name any country where Muslims are at rest with the majority community?

Tariq…you must be ashamed, that you could count only three States, which actually do not belong to any particular ethnic majority.
I think there are at least 179 countries….Muslims are living in all Asian, African and European countries…, everywhere Muslims are problematic…what is wrong with your people?

Yes, we are proud of our system, democratic norms…….since 1950 no one from Muslim community crossed over to Pakistan, our minorities are not escaping….we have problems, we have conflicts….though the static says the reality.

[anjjan]

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I have four puzzling questions for you…….

1. So, as a good Muslim, will you ask the good Muslims of India to follow Islam to resolve the disputed Aurangzeb Mosque? Will you ask the good Muslims of India to hand over this religious site back to Hindus?

2. Do you agree that Muslims destroyed Hindu temples in India in mid centuries? (Another puzzling question for you)

3. Why minorities do not migrate from India if Indian state is so repressive?

4. Name any country where Muslims are at rest with the majority community?

I again challenge that you can go around, find funny replies, excuses, but will never be able to answer a sensible reply ……….your ideology is a burden.

[anjjan]

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Today…India a majority Hindu nation….has a Sikh PM, a Muslim President, a Sikh Army Chief and a Christian President of largest political party of India.

Can any one show me a single article or a demonstration by any Hindu circle against the appointments at top posts of these people of minority communities?

(Some sectors opposed the appointment of Sonia Gandhi as Party President not for her religious faith but for her foreign origin only)

[TARIQ786USA]

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@anjjan

How many non-Islamic temples have vanished in your ideological country since 1947? Why don’t you contact your cities municipality archive people? You will get the answer.

Here are some links showing how your ideological country deals with the minorities…..I hereby say that I am not a party to the links, if you believe your garbage links, like dalit, khalistan org, you must accept these….

http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/dhruvajyotibarua/mip.html

http://www.minorityrights.org/admin/Download/pdf/MRGPakistanReport.pdf

http://www.cswusa.com/Reports%20Pages/Reports-Pakistan.htm

http://www.thepersecution.org/ai/amnst01_5.html

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030702/main8.htm

I think if you consider Khalistan.com,..or Dalits sites garbage then,..the above site are pure garbage too,…
BTW,..if it happened then its not like as happening in India,…on regular basis,…care to read the following again,…

http://www.hrw.org/press/1999/sep/christians.htm
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/123/24.0.html

Bl****asphemy law: Is the one they complain the most,…nothing can be done about that,…

Again for your information I write that Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi….these are three sites in the agenda of VHP….only 3 religious sites out of 30000 demolished by Muslims in India. These are centuries old disputes, not taken place just yesterday.

I don’t ask you to forget Babri…you believe that there was no Hindu temple at this site. OK. What about Mathura? You don’t need any survey or digging…….just have a look at it and find the reality. Islam is against the demolition of worship places; Islam does not allow offering prayers at a disputed site. (Muslims have told me; do they lie?)

I think you are getting hyper here,…I told you,..if there is any valid proof,..then go ahead and destroy it,…If you guyz have another proof down the road about Taj Mahal,…then destry that too,…Because these historical things reminds you guyz about Muslims rulers,…Since you guyz can’t change the history,..why not destroying anything which reminds you those old days…

1. So, as a good Muslim, will you ask the good Muslims of India to follow Islam to resolve the disputed Aurangzeb Mosque? Will you ask the good Muslims of India to hand over this religious site back to Hindus?

2. Do you agree that Muslims destroyed Hindu temples in India in mid centuries? (Another puzzling question for you)

I said before,…You destory 3 mosques or 30000,…history will still remind you guyz,…which you can’t escape,…Although,..**Hindus never Ruled the whole country,..before,..**since 1947,..you guyz have the chance to do that,..and now,..you guyz even don’t know how to rule or,..how to change the past,…

Don’t forget,…India claims to secular,..not Pakistan,…don’t forget,..India claims to be democratic not Pakistan,…therefore,…India is your country,…Do as you wish,..what pakistan couldn’t do diplomatically,..you guyz did on your own to destroy the image of secularism,…in the case of Ayodhya,..Gujrat,..and other incidents,…Carry on,…

Kashi dispute….
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/miscarticles/wdadtkv.html

…Yes, we Hindus do not follow your culture. Our fault.
Shall we follow your ideology….remove them from where they have removed you?

No one wants you guyz to follow our culture/Ideology,…it goes both ways,…

…

Reason is that Aurangzeb destroyed a Hindu temple and built this mosque.
Why we need it…….Never came across such a silly question….Babri Mosque is no more….why do you need it?

I think you are losing your mind here,…one more time,…destroy anything/everything related to your past,…I mean everything,…

…

A Hindu is living in POK…..a good joke against all common sense of Muslims.

Kashmiri Hindus were given three options…1. Accept Islam…..2…. Face death…3. Leave Kashmir.
Again I inform you that your religious Jihadi groups gave this ultimatum to Hindus in 1989-90.

You are talking about rumors,..which have no base,…You are telling me,..in Indian Held Kashmir,…which is controlled by India,…Hindus were told to accept Islam,…**Face Death **,..or Leave,…
You could have come up with better joke,…buddy,…no wonedr as they say,..Rumors have their own legs,…
If it would have happened in Pakistani controlled Kashmir then,..I may accept it,..but on the other side,…comon man,…wake up,…

…

Hindus 84%, Muslims 13%, rest 3% is shared by Sikhs, Budhists, Christians etc….is a rough idea, for correction check some Indian or anti-Indian site. Muslim population has increased a little as per the ratio since 1947.
So you tell me…..
3. Why minorities do not migrate from India if Indian state is so repressive? This question you have escaped.

So 3% sikhs,..have their own Khalistan,..which they declared back in 1987,…what about northeast and,..other movements for independance,…I can post sites and details if you want,…how come they don’t wanna stay with India ( **The land of Milk and Honey **)

In these countries there is no native ethnic majority. Hence, here you have conflicts direct with the law. As a result all Asians are scrutinized.
So you have still to answer me….

4. Name any country where Muslims are at rest with the majority community?

Tariq…you must be ashamed, that you could count only three States, which actually do not belong to any particular ethnic majority.
I think there are at least 179 countries….Muslims are living in all Asian, African and European countries…, everywhere Muslims are problematic…what is wrong with your people?

I think you have some comprehension problem,…!,..I gave you the name of USA,..and Canada,..Because,..I live eher,..I know better than any other country,…Now,..I could have given you the name of European countries,…but, every country has different laws and ways to treat their minorities,..therefore,..I didn’t give any other name,..Although Muslims are living in every country of the world,…But not every country is the same,…I think this much you have the sense,..right,..Agree or not ?
Muslims facing problems in Thailand,…may not face same problem in European countries,…etc,…Understand,…This question was totally,…useless,..as you asked,.I think now you must be ashamed of yourself,..Coz,..you even don’t know what you are asking me,…

Yes, we are proud of our system, democratic norms…….since 1950 no one from Muslim community crossed over to Pakistan, our minorities are not escaping….we have problems, we have conflicts….though the static says the reality.

BTW,…1950,..figures reflects the minorities,..in East and West Pakistan,…after 1971,…we are not responsible for minorities living in Bengladesh,…therefore,..save you speech and be real here…
Pakistan has like 3.5 % minorities,…ask bengladeshis,..how many they have,..you may find you missing relatives there,…

[TARIQ786USA]

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anjjan

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1. So, as a good Muslim, will you ask the good Muslims of India to follow Islam to resolve the disputed Aurangzeb Mosque? Will you ask the good Muslims of India to hand over this religious site back to Hindus?

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I told you,..if there is any valid proof,..then go ahead and destroy it,…If you guyz have another proof down the road about Taj Mahal,…then destry that too,…Because these historical things reminds you guyz about Muslims rulers,…Since you guyz can’t change the history,..why not destroying anything which reminds you those old days…

2. Do you agree that Muslims destroyed Hindu temples in India in mid centuries? (Another puzzling question for you)

which temples,..can you name those here,…???

3. Why minorities do not migrate from India if Indian state is so repressive?

So 3% sikhs,..have their own Khalistan,..which they declared back in 1987,…what about northeast and,..other movements for independance,…I can post sites and details if you want,…how come they don’t wanna stay with India ( **The land of Milk and Honey **)

4. Name any country where Muslims are at rest with the majority community?

I think you have some comprehension problem,…!,..I gave you the name of USA,..and Canada,..Because,..I live eher,..I know better than any other country,…Now,..I could have given you the name of European countries,…but, every country has different laws and ways to treat their minorities,..therefore,..I didn’t give any other name,..Although Muslims are living in every country of the world,…But not every country is the same,…I think this much you have the sense,..right,..Agree or not ?
Muslims facing problems in Thailand,…may not face same problem in European countries,…etc,…Understand,…This question was totally,…useless,..as you asked,.I think now you must be ashamed of yourself,..Coz,..you even don’t know what you are asking me,…

I again challenge that you can go around, find funny replies, excuses, but will never be able to answer a sensible reply ……….your ideology is a burden.

You have got all the responses,.people with little IQ,..can read and understand those,..you are kidding yourself here,..don’t humor me,…
But still my ideology is better than,..your Secularism,..and Demon-Crazy

[TARIQ786USA]

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@anjjan

Today…India a majority Hindu nation….has a Sikh PM, a Muslim President, a Sikh Army Chief and a Christian President of largest political party of India.

Can any one show me a single article or a demonstration by any Hindu circle against the appointments at top posts of these people of minority communities?

(Some sectors opposed the appointment of Sonia Gandhi as Party President not for her religious faith but for her foreign origin only)

What is your point,…here:)

Will it stop christians,..complaining about their sufferings ,..will it stop muslims complaining about suffering,…will it stop sikhs complaining about their betrayal,..???

It means nothing,…DON’T LOOK AT THE SHOW CASE,…LOOK BEHIND IT,..WHERE LIES THE TRUTH,…,…Kapeesh.

[ak47]

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wow 209 posts and its still going bottom line secularism cannot protect any minorities or groups and India is a classic example where sectarian violence is headline news around the world on a yearly basis.

[vineshvk]

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I challenge u.. even for show cases.. make a hindu president of America.. i am not even talking about pakistan here..Do u think that secularism is so vibrant in US that people in US could make a hindu president. :D. Answer me honestly ok.!!!!:)

[anjjan]

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Tariq, very frankly I could get nothing what you want to say in your last posts. Can you explain it in few words?

My 3+1 puzzling questions....please go back and read all your replies in different posts...you may find how you have twisted your answers.....this I mean that you will go arround, find funny replies, excuses...but will never give a sensible reply.

The fact is that your religious ideology is a burden...it does not allow you to accept the truth.

[TARIQ786USA]

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Ajjan,

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Tariq, very frankly I could get nothing what you want to say in your last posts. Can you explain it in few words?
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Which part,..????????? Why you don’t like the answers,….while everybody else knows what I said,…We are discussing politics here,.. comon...

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My 3+1 puzzling questions....please go back and read all your replies in different posts...you may find how you have twisted your answers.....this I mean that you will go arround, find funny replies, excuses...but will never give a sensible reply.
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I think,…I gave all the answer in detail,…Nothing much can be added @ this point,…if you can’t get it, then,..can’t do anything about it….you better go back and read more carefully,..may be you get an idea….:)

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The fact is that your religious ideology is a burden...it does not allow you to accept the truth
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Neither I am a religious person,..nor I share any extreme views,.....I don’t know even which truth you are refering to here,..But anyhow, anything is better than Indian style secularism,…and Indian style *Demon-Crazy.... *

BTW,...No one is asking you to follow it,..stay away from this imaginative burden of yours….:)

[TARIQ786USA]

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I challenge u.. even for show cases.. make a hindu president of America ,..I am not even talking about pakistan here..Do u think that secularism is so vibrant in US that people in US could make a hindu president.. Answer me honestly ok.!!!!
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Vineshvk,

I am answering honestly here,….Do you know,.in Parliamentarian system,..President is just a ceremonial Post,..which is selected by ruling party,…which is Prime Minister…:) and President serves at the pleasure of the ruling party….like a rubber stamp…..as Indian president is….Ruling party can select any XYZ from the street even….:)

But in USA ,..we have Presidential system,..where President is elected by the whole country,..means,..50 states. Here in USA,...,..President is an elected post,..not selected,..as in India ,… Therefore, nothing to be excited about secularism in India calm down buddy ,….:)

Now what was your question again,……?????? :)

[vineshvk]

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^ lol.. i know that my dear.. look at the starting topic of urs.. and look at the prime minister of India..he is elected.. and he has all the execuatable powers wrested on him. US doesnt have a prime minister but a president yes and elected one too...i am talking about that analogy rather than the post itself.

[anjjan]

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Tariq....you must tell what shell we do? I find no logic in your replies, but you are so stubborn that there is no way out.

What shall we Indians do? You must tell us how should we treat our minorities so that Indian remains integrated, and you become cooperative?

You have decided everything including history...you must have a solution to the issues raised by you.

(Btw...do you know what is an ideological burden? This is my fifth puzzling question.)

[anjjan]

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@TARIQ786USA

BTW,..Taj Mahal was bulit by Shah Jahan,…so when its gonna be demiloshed,…??? Is this a Masjid vs Temple issue or,..Demolishing the mosques,…which reminds you guyz about muslims rulers,…???give me the Answer…???
:

As per your above utterances I can understand that you are sure that you were a ruling class in India in mid centuries.
Can you tell me if your forefathers ruled over India or they accepted the religion of the invaders and your conception is that by changing the religion they became a party to the ruling class? (This is my sixth puzzling question.)

Actually this a base problem of Indian Muslim that he is sure that he ruled over India in mid centuries
(For your information the India Christians never think that they were a party to the ruling British in India.)

[ak47]

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^ hmmm base problem of indian muslims sounds like a soundbite from RSS or BJP rally!

Watch out another culling of the muslim population of India is around the corner.

[TARIQ786USA]

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@vineshvk

^ lol.. i know that my dear.. look at the starting topic of urs.. and look at the prime minister of India..he is elected.. and he has all the execuatable powers wrested on him. US doesnt have a prime minister but a president yes and elected one too…i am talking about that analogy rather than the post itself.

Vineshvk,

I think my answer to your question was,…a detailed one,…which clearly addressed your point ..Where as this analogy is concerned,..you could have rephrased your question in a different way,…Indian President is a non-elected post,..US president is a elected post,…if you know then rephrase your question again…Then you will get my answer,…

BTW,…my question to you,…??? did India have any Muslim PM,…since 1947 ?
which is an elected post in India ?,…while majority elects the ruling party,…?