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You indians must punish those fanatic extremists,..and politicians who are encourage & commit communal violance,…

I want India to be secular in the real sense,…where minorities feel proud to be an Indian citizen,…and should not be side-lined by extremist groups,…

Yes,..I have solution,…that is,…address the root cause issues of those minorities,…who feel deprived and helpless by majority,…Those minorities are your own citizens,… Past is gone,…future needs undivided attention from everyone to meet the challenges ahead…

I know,..Its not puzzling for me,..but if you are getting an idea,…that I don’t know then,..its puzzling for you…:slight_smile:

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Tarq-- sikhism is a minority religion in India.. and our prime minister is a sikh..Manmohan singh is a sikh..:) .
No muslim pm till this day. But it cannot be ruled out..

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Ajjan,

Past is Gone,…work for better future,…if we start digging past again,..then we may argue and counter-argue for whole life,…still there will be no end in sight…

BTW,… About your **6th puzzling question: **

My ancesters came from Afghanistan,…and lived all their lives in NWFP province of Pakistan. And we don’t live in the past,..we live in present and future.

We must rise above these things and look around,..where the world is going and what we are doing,…


Here in New York,…I work for one company,…where we have Indian engineers too…we are so closely working together,…everyone thinks we are from same country,…we discuss Pakistani politics,..as well as Indian politics too more openly…we see so many problems being faced by people on both side of the border,…Can we fix those problems,…YES we can,…for that we have to change our way of thinking…on both side of the border,…which is happening slowly,…and must stay continue…

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We can wait,…:slight_smile:

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Tariq, what a nice start….you advise us thorough idealism!

  1. Tell us how we shall punish our extremist and communal politicians. Shall we adopt the same cleansing ways which are in practice in your ideological states?

  2. Do you include Lalu Yadav and Paswan in the list of communal extremists, including BJP, RSS etc?

Lalu Yadav manipulated a Godhra enquiry to win the Bihar elections.
Paswan was carrying a duplicate of Bin Laden to attract the Muslim vote bank during Bihar elections.

  1. Shall we arrest Shahi Imam Bukhari of Delhi Jama Masjid? 27 cases are pending against him; some of them are communal in nature.
    This Imam instigated Indian Muslims to join Talebans…..we are happy that our Muslims are matured and no one went to Afghanistan to obey his fatwa.

  2. Frankly I cannot help you if you think that the Hindu majority has sidelined the minorities.
    This is actually an ideological burden, that nothing can convince you.

  3. So we must forget the past. Why?
    The problem is that our minority section Muslims have actually forgotten the past and believe that they ruled over India in mid centuries. They have forgotten their forefathers and instead they have changed them with Babar and Aurangzeb.

Christians are not such stubborn and never associate themselves with the British…..Do you understand the difference?

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Like,..???

Any politician,..or group whose actions are,…causing minorities to suffer,…or contradictory to secularism of India,…must be punished,…simple is that,…

If he is involved,…then why not,..set an example,…I shall be happy to see that…I don’t side with those muslims who are on the wrong side…whether they are in Pakistan or in India or elsewhere,…

My ideology is,..to treat everyone same way,…even-handedly,…no exceptions…

Well,…find some common grounds and work out your internal problems,…in a civilized way,…

Yes I do,…

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Dear Tariq,…Idealism is one thing….it is very easy to say…must be done this, must be done that…..you tell me how?

Ayattollah Khomeiny made an over all cleansing in Iran…….this ideological way can eliminate the opposition, but is neither civilized nor ideal.

And for your information in India it is easy to arrest a Hindu religious leader, but no one can touch Imam Bukhari.

Here is a report from today’ news papers…

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=47115

Indian Muslims burn US flag over Koran report

‘The cleric asked protesters to tear two US flags, stamp on them, and told a young boy to urinate on the flags before burning the pieces.’

Can you ask these Muslim clerics to adopt some civilized and ideal way to protest?

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I think the hindu extremists have a guilty conscience as the number of posts and responses in this thread suggest!

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Ajjan,

Iranian religious revloution was the biggest surprise of the 20th Century,…
As they say about Iran " Religious revolution came in non-religious country"

what Khomeini did during his time…by having killed 100’s of top to bottom leadership…was not right. It doesn’t solve the problem…but creates new one. History will be the best judge after all…

About Imam Bukhari,…I heard too much about him already from my indian colleagues,…I didn’t like his stand during Afghan war,…while pakistani Mullahs were doing the samething…they must think about the image of their country too,..before making any firey speechs,…The whole world is watching now,…Old days are long gone,…

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AK, when your people are stubborn against knowledge and information, no one can help it.

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ak47,
We are discussing issues on both side of the aisle,…with the best knowledge we have…

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Ajjan,

In discussions,..we challenge and be skeptical of eachother’s knowldge and information,…that’s how we learn from eachother,…nothing personal.

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Ajjan,

Here are some statements: what do you think,…can you please put those in proper perspective for us…:slight_smile:

  • Muslims are like a lemon squirted into the cream of India. They turn it sour. We have to remove the lemon, cut it up into little pieces, squeeze out the pips and throw them away. - Sadhvi Rithambara

  • Let the Muslims understand that their real safety lies in the goodwill of the majority - RSS declaration (March 2002)

  • If [Narendra] Modi stands from any constituency in India, Hindus will vote for him. - **BJP leader Manohar Parrikar (April 2002) **

  • We were successful in our experiment of raising Hindu consciousness, which will be repeated all over the country now … People say I praise Gujarat. Yes I do! -VHP General Secretary Ashok Singhal (September 2002)


Here is TribuneIndia.com site,…for you too,..to check it,…for the following headline news:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050118/main1.htm

Godhra fire an accident, says report
Rules out conspiracy
Tribune News Service

Cong: Modi govt engineered riots
Involvement proved, says Laloo

And when BJP is caught in the middle of this fiasco then look whom they blame now,… :rotfl: …look what they say:

Godhra report attempt to help Laloo: BJP
Tribune Reporters


Godhra report nails BJP’s lie, says CPM
**Tribune News Service **

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U guys are sick now.. can somebody close this thread.. this is just mud slinging. and only two people fighting it out here..then can as well do that in PM.:D

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Vineshvk,

We are not fighting here,…wake up..
These kind issues are discussed openly not through PM,…:rolleyes:

BTW,..I welcome you too,..to discuss it …as you been doing before…:slight_smile:

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aye dharati ke chaand sitaron,aye dharati ke chand sitaron

** ke ****** patthar na maro:D

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That sounds like a racist comment or is that the brainwashing education u got from your days in the RSS and BJP training camps.

Why you making racist comments on a regular basis against muslims?

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Read this Tariq
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3733271.stm

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As I read it,..can you please tell us,..what is this,..???

Here are some statements: what do you think,…can you please put those in proper perspective for us…:slight_smile:

  • Muslims are like a lemon squirted into the cream of India. They turn it sour. We have to remove the lemon, cut it up into little pieces, squeeze out the pips and throw them away. - Sadhvi Rithambara

  • Let the Muslims understand that their real safety lies in the goodwill of the majority - RSS declaration (March 2002)

  • If [Narendra] Modi stands from any constituency in India, Hindus will vote for him. - **BJP leader Manohar Parrikar (April 2002) **

  • We were successful in our experiment of raising Hindu consciousness, which will be repeated all over the country now … People say I praise Gujarat. Yes I do! -VHP General Secretary Ashok Singhal (September 2002)


Here is TribuneIndia.com site,…for you too,..to check it,…for the following headline news:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050118/main1.htm

Godhra fire an accident, says report
Rules out conspiracy
Tribune News Service

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^ one sentence..

all bs. They can say as much as they want..They had the BJP govt. they couldnt get the temple built in Ayodhya. They couldnt pass the uniform civil code..they couldnt repeal the special status given to Kashmir. U know these people entertain certain part of the population. But they are in minorities. I think even the muslims doesnt care much about them.
All said and done.. what happened in the general election even Modi couldnt hold on to his bastion. That is the beauty of democracy..u can make some people fool some times.. but not all the times.:D