Believer Ask Forgiveness Of Non-Believer (Polytheist)

[Sa1eem]

Re: Believer Ask Forgiveness Of Non-Believer (Polytheist)

@khamosh_girl

As far as i know we can pray for their guidance but not for their forgiveness. The Quran says “It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to pray for the forgiveness of the polytheists, even though they may be near kin (to them) after it has become clear them that they are the people of Hell.” (Al-Tawbah: 113)

At another place Quran says “And do not pray [the funeral prayer, O Muhammad], over any of them who has died - ever - or stand at his grave. Indeed, they disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger and died while they were defiantly disobedient.” (Al-Tawbah: 9:84)

So would a muslim even bother going against Quran…

Sister, both ayahs are about asking forgiveness of those who died. So, praying for their guidance is immaterial, as it is useless for soul to get guidance after death.

As for praying for their forgiveness after their death:
Ayah 9:84 is about Munafaqeens.
Ayah 9:113 is about Mushrakeen.

Important message in this ayah 9:113 is … ‘’after it has become clear about them that they are the people of Hell.” … Now, tell me how it could become clear to anyone, that the person who died is surely a hell dweller?

It is obvious that if we know for certain that one died is of hell-dweller regardless of anything one can do for them, than praying for their forgiveness is (in theory) meaningless … as one is praying against what Allah has already decided to do.

Prophets get wahi so they may know. Believers who are Saints may get ilham and thus may know, but what about Muslims in general?

How we know with certainty that person died, especially who is close to us and we wish or like to see best in them, is surely a hell-dweller (regardless of anything)?

I wrote above (post 2) that … we do not know the state of a person’s belief at the time of death, because we do not know belief of a person in their heart, or in what belief that person died (as he could have changed his belief even a second before death). So, it is best to hope for the best, and assume that dead person may have died with belief on Allah, so one can pray … leaving rest on Allah and his mercy.

Second: whatever the situation, if one loves someone, one should not leave hope of mercy from Allah for them (however odd that seems). When one prays for something, however odd, then it is not necessary that prayer would be fulfilled, but one thing is certain, that praying with hope and belief has its own rewards. Hoping for mercy and forgiveness from Allah, for oneself and for anyone close, regardless of all odds and however desperate situation maybe, is belief itself and form of worship.