Being used and destroyed

Please read this ak47!!!!

Altogether i have dtayed in the uk for about 13 mnths. PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:

My stay in the uk + My arab friends stay in the uk+My uk friends who live in the uk and are currently or just left uni or college in the uk+My Arab Friends friends who live in the UK=== 135 years of experience.

i said 135 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, CAN U READ THAT , I SAID 135 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND SEEING THE UK's SO CALLED MUSLIMS. SO is 135 YEARS COMPARED to 27 years of experience enough for you. PLase reply!!!!!!!

So ARE 7 PEOPLE WRONG, Remenber the 135 years does NOT account for people who i just passivly spoke in the uk mosques. And believe me i SPOKE to alot of these guys. So surely we all cant be WRONG.

Thank you , please reply quickly!!!!!

super.....
"Im dumbfounded" So what your telling me that ( please answer this) that those seven people, and all the people that you met in the mosques, have the same views as you, then how comes Ive never come across such people before and I too GO to mosque ( btw Im glad you mentioned that uk pakistani go to mosque too,so you prooved we are not all bad muslims ,thats a step in the right direction) is this a secret under cover society that makes the same claims as you do.is there some sort of conspiricy, towards the pakistani youth ( especially our pakistani sisters). super... no matter how far you carry this , I will disagree your (exaggerated) claims, & I stand by mine.
ps tell me what exactly I said to offend you, because your very rude towards me in yor replies.

Members,

It is impolite to post in upper case letters. It denotes that you are yelling. It's also very annoying to read even a kind message in upper case.

Please refrain from doing so else your post will be deleted.

admin- that sounds silly and sounds like censorship where there is no reason to do so!!
capitals are used in every paper in the whole universe , mannnnn so whats gone on. i thought u a were democratic dude. do u want a prescription for mentallness!

testing testing ONE TWO THREE. CAN U HEAR THAT I AM SHOUTING

I think SuperSonicKid is 100% right!!!
I personally think girls who watch alot of indian movies, tend to dream of find their love at the ages of 13yrs or older, its just really phathetic. I personally blame the indian movies.

What kind of freedom do muslim(living in west or not) women want? Islam offers all kind of freedom. Except the freedom that western women have. Like sex before marriage, sex with animals, sex with brothers, sex with all sorts of things, etc. I think they who rave about womens freedom knowing that Islam offers same thing in better and safer choices and ways look for THAT kinda freedom highlighted above.
I agree with toronto guy and many others in this thread that indian movies do play a role corrupting the young ones, and they go on looking for REAL love at the age of 13 thats some stupidity.

Fe amaan allah.

Zar Leo


thanks for agreeing. when i went to uk i stayed ina city called glasgow (where my friends cousins live) . one friday prayer the imam gave a speech. he begged the muslim community to not get an indian channel called ZEE TV. he said this was destroying the moral values which the pk community had and he stressed the parents not to get this tv channel.
u may say its the parents fault. but when the children beg their parent to get it cos their pk friends have it what can the parents do???
i actually saw this channel at a friends house who im et in the central mosque. i saw it and it was pathetic ,sensless,morally disgusting(portraying the woman as an objet) and a waste of money.

Supersonick..

     I have read all your posts and from them I have realised you are a narrow minded and gutless individual. Do not tar all muslim girls with the same brush.  I have lived in Your pakistan and the girls there are even worse, what with their liaisons in cinemas and what not, so dont you DARE sit there and throw unfounded accusations.

IF (and it is a very BIG IF) you had a brain you would have sat down and thought about why things like this happen, not only in England but everywhere else also. It has been mentioned by other members and if you have not read what they said I will just have to reiterate it.

Firstly the majority of Pakistanis living in this country beleive it is a sin to marry of your own choice.
According to Islam this is not so.

Therefore if the parents do not agree then they are sinning. They must allow their children to marry of their choice.

Secondly the majority of Pakistani parents feel that their kids are their property, therefore they can do whatever they like with them and they shouldnt say a word.
They fail to realise we have feelings also.

Thirdly Islam has not been drilled enough into these kids for them to understand why something is right and why something is wrong.
The parents will tell them not to do something, but will fail to give them a reason as to why this is so.

If they actually bothered to sit down with their children once in a while and talk to them about their feelings and thoughts relationships would be alot easier. I feel this is more important for the girls as they are living in two different worlds. They go to school, and be themselves, they come back home and are expected to do all household chores and not go out anywhere. Where in Islam is this written?? Most of the time they are not even allowed to have friends around the house. They are bought up to beleive that this is their religion.

The lads on the other hand are treated like kings. Dont you think they are gonna have a bit of remorse?

Usually girls in their mid teens do runners cuz they have not had access to the education that is important.

Fourthly many parents do not seem to form an understanding bond with their children because they do not understand the culture, therefore do not understand what the child is trying to say.

You must understand that i am not condoning the actions of these girls who run away but YOU must understand why this happens,it is not always their fault.

There have been many case where girls have run away because of physical and sexual abuse by close kin. Do you really think they wanted to run away? I dont think so.You gonna blame that on the girls too?

IF you had bothered to research this topic properly and not just listened to what others said then you may have realised many run away because of “Majboori” not that they think they are living in Bollywood.

And they are in the minority not in the majority.

Finally I would like to say, the major problem is the lack of education in Islam. These parents dont know much about Islam (Though many do) and therefore cant teach their children anything.

As for womens rights, that is a load of rubbish that you lot go on about.

Islam gives women every right they need, the sad fact is that not many know about this.

Why dont you try and educate your muslim sisters instead of slagging them off just to get attention?

Finally you can sit there and blame it all on western society but at the end of the day a child learns what it is taught, be it good or bad. Good muslim parents have the Farz of giving their children a good grounding in Islam and if they fail to do this their child is gonna be preyed on by the Kuffar.

Do you really think that if these girls knew what their religion was really about and if their parents practised it they would run away?

In future THINK before you speak.

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Thank you designer, a very well written reply, however I doubt Mr supersickid will give up his views, Ive also challenged him on this topic, but in the end I gave up, I realized, mr s/kid simply has a hatred for westerners, and especially the Female gender,and no matter what reply, fact or statistic is pushed under his nose, he will carry on ranting aboat how "supersonickid sees the western society destroy the pakistani girls", and still fails to come to any solution to a problem which he wrongly interpreted...
In the past one year I have heard of three such cases two of them were girls/young women running away from abusive husbands, and one case was a girl and a boy running away, from home, eventually there families did get them married,

[This message has been edited by the real AK47 (edited August 08, 2000).]

Ak47,

   he just has no idea. If he cant be bothered to go out and find the REAL facts about why things like this happen in our communities, he isnt worth arguing with..

It is people like him that keep our people from progressing in Islam and keep them in their islamically unprogressive culture.

Dont u think i know that parents have a role to play. i am just pointing out the fact what happens. if i hate the west why do i have many contacts and many friends their? considering you are in the past and not in the present it might be good to actuall visit a school or college full of pk girls. maybe u will learn whats happening in this new generation!

u said most pk girls in pakistan are worse. considering your parents are 95% chance coming from pakistan . do they act the same as these girls?? i think not. also pk girls in pakistan have many boys looking at them. all what they do is put their head down and walk away. these days its the girls that look at the boys and if the boy is sensible he looks down. this has happened to me in the uk and i simply went away. i didnt even know them!!

is it also very rare to see these girls full of makeup and holding white and asian boys hands. it wasnt so rare to me. maybe u should look at the streets of BIRMINGHAM at night and SEE what happens.

case closed once again. think of what u can do to help your poor fellow muslims and convet then to the real islam. also teach ur parents what it actually says in the quran. dont make up your own nonsence which happens in pk everyday.

Dont you dare bring my parents into this you pathetic individual..Maybe you should go check what your own sister is doing, she is probably one of those girls also and even worse. It will show how your parenst have bought her up. But then i suppose you dont have one which is why you so eagerly attack other sisters.

You just are totally THICK, havent read a word I said and cuz you cant admit that what i am saying is right you try personal attacks, how low can you get, not lower than YOU.

And what were you doing in the back streets of birmingham at night when you saw these girls? Pimping for them??

Just crawl back into the odious orifice you climbed out of you neanderthal.

[This message has been edited by designer (edited August 09, 2000).]

is this how u try to win u pathetic piece of crap. everperson in the world has gone out at night. I WENT OUT AT NIGHT COS I HAD TO GO AND READ ISHA PRAYERS AT THE MOSQUE. i wonder how much punishment u will get in the day of judgement of accusing me of such evil satanic things. u said i dont know what im on about cos i dont have a sister. well u dont have to be too clever to notice how crazy these evil paki girls do. actually u must be stupid if u dont know whats happening.

read MY NEW POST. REMEMBER I WROTE THIS NEW POST FOR INVESTIGATING PURPOSES ONLY!

IT TAKES A LIE TO FIND OUT A LIE!!

ooops, have i touched a raw nerve???

Anyway mr S have you thought of what you are gonna get on judgement day for accusing lots of innocent Pakistani girls of basically being whores?

It is not nice when people make assumptions is it?

Think about it very carefully in future.

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In you first post you said :

“thousands if not millions of girls…” Mr s there are probabaly not even one million Pakistanis living in England, so where do you get your sad statistics from??

A small minority would have been the right thing to say.

And no I am not blind I know there are some that are even worse than english girls but that goes for the lads too. Why dont you call them evil, crazy and wicked also? You accuse all Pakistani girls of being the same where as they are not..

And you can post what you want as I have realised this discussion is going nowhere so therefore i will not be replying again..

Adios

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what a plonker!!!!

[This message has been edited by supersonickid (edited August 09, 2000).]

what an ass u are designer. if u read carefully he ever mentioned the word whores and hes not accusing everyone. i remember in one of his earlier posts he mentioned guys also.
may allah have mercy over u. u are a real fuker.

super dude- kik this guys face in cos hes a rude piece of crap . his face probobly looks like a back of a bus. how does he know theres pimps in brminkam is he one. u need sme help assole cos i think ur a pimp!

dear admin+ anyone else,
how do i complain about ak47 threats to my email and designers abusive language.

[This message has been edited by supersonickid (edited August 09, 2000).]

Hi Folks

I think designer is a gal and not a guy. So please appologies for all the swearing and abusive words that you guys used earlier in your postings.

And important thing to remember here is that dont get personal, please.

Besides the actual topic was "Being used and Distroyed". And I did mentioned earlier that if a gal is going out with a guy dating him, or checking out on him, there is nothing wrong with that, becuase its her life. And no body owns her life, or her future.

Also SufiMaster mentioned earlier about my posting that I believe in Adultery; well I dont. I'm never been in favour of Adultery. As long as fornication is concerned, there is nothing wrong in having a bf or gf before one really thinks that he or she should now marry that person. May be you dont find your bf/gf compatible to u, or abusive, or doesn't turns you on. So its alright to leave that person and look for another one.

And friends please dont bring islam in middle becuase u folks yourself dont understand the essence of Islam.

And guys you mind your own business and let gals mind there own business, they are not live stocks, or your property. If u guys have problem with what pakitani gals are doing in west, then dont go to west, go to Afghanistan.

Time is changing and try to live with the society. And if you think that society of today is a crap, then show them that you have better society then theirs. May be this way the so called spoiled pakistani kids in west come and live in your society.

Any ways, I hope u guys are going to start thinking more rationally.

Take care

Yasin

dear yasin ,
you said that fornication is okay and that ladies can do what they want cos nobody owns them.Well, if you are not an atheist you should know that we all belong to allah who created the heavens and earth. You know nothing about "the essence of islam" so how dare you lecture us about islam.For a start islam forbids fornication!!!!!!

as for ladies being livestock i agree! i myself hate the way women are tretaed in this world, everywhere they go they are in danger and in afghanistan its unislamic the way theyare treated. The t aleban are B******s devils.

you think you are a big hero for women. You are nothing but a coward. Last thursday i faced 3 months in prison for helping a lady that was being harassed and abused by 2 guys.I beat the shit out of one of them and the other ran for it.Im so thankful to allah the judge found me not guilty under scots law which is a miracle.

i try my best to help the innocent